One can only face Ka'ba if Earth was Flat or...

Posted by Thap:


1). ** (sura 51, verse 47)
"The heaven, We have built it with power. Verily. We are expanding it."

Expanding universe...a very modern theory. **


Thap,

May I ask from which book of translations did you got this "customized translation".

See the following from the three oft-cited sources for the same ayath and note the enormity.

Translation: Yusufali
[adh-Dhariyat 51:47] With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of space.

Translation: Pickthall
[adh-Dhariyat 51:47] We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

Translation: Shakir
[adh-Dhariyat 51:47] And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.

So, you see Thap - ayaths are being customized to suit various ends.


Posted by Thap:
2). ** --sura 21, verse 33:

"(God is) the One Who created the night,and day, the sun and the moon. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." **


Thap,
the reference from above ayath that you quote:
** " Each one is travelling with its own motion" ** is False per laws of Science & Physics.

No celestial body moves with its own mtion (movement). This is like saying the Earth moves around the Sun on its own motion- movement; or, float or, swimming along.


Posted by Thap:
3). ** "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We clove them
asunder and We got every living thing out of the water. Will they not then believe?"

Effectively the newly proported 'big bang' theory. **


Thap,
There can be hundreds of interpretation to the ayath.

Consider this:
The Quran calls the Sky - a canopy or a shade.

The Quran calls Stars - lamps in the sky.

The Quran likens Earth to - Carpet rolled out held in place by mountains which are firm & unmovable.

So, with verses like the above for Sky, Star & Earth - you can manage to find the big-bang theory in the above ayth is really fascinating.

Since, you did not post the sura & aya number I could not compare with other translations.


Posted by Thapp:
4). ** sura 55, verse 33: "O assembly of Jinns and Men, if you can penetrate regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them save with a Power."

Effectively mans and (aliens?) conquest of space through escaping gravity. **


Thap,
Your imagination concludes this ayath as referring to conquest of space & aliens - Amazing.

Actually, I see this ayath as saying the same thing which the Quran emphasizes over & over:
" * Nothing is possible with the Power or without Allah.*"

Finally, you see Thap,

Religion is a tricky affair. People go to amazing length to believe, like the following aya that you cited to impose your beliefs upon me or to shut me up.

** "Nay! We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it does smash it’s brains and thus it perishes. And woe be to you for what you describe (with your tongues)" [Surah 21:18] **

Let me finsih this with a quote of my own:
** God gave men brains so he could think;
The Religions of Clerics took away their brain. **

I would like to urge all muslims on this thread to stay away from creating a scientific debate about some half ass non muslims understanding of quran.

See FACEUP when idiots like you try to read Quran thats what they come up with. When you do not know the Islamic history one can easily expect an idiotic point like the one you made by starting this thread.

This ayah refer to time when the prayer direction was shifted from Al Quds to Ka'aba, and it refers to the unbelievers that were creating trouble because of this event. You need to read history and understand the verse .... quran cant be understood by just reading a literal translation .... you have to a moron to think you could understand it by reading just a literal translation.

And we dont need some lame reasoning duffer like to tell us about quran ....


Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'

moving this fron Corner Room to Religion....

Thap and others who are wasting your time writing post after post and explaining something that is common sense, i suggest you stop. Conversations like this are fruitful only when those listening, do so without prejudice and an open mind. You could be here for a year and come up with valid answers but you wont accomplish anything. People like faceup will come up with one ridiculous theory after another.
So conserve your energy for those who are willing to listen.


**"If people were to know of the things I know, it would all fall apart."
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*CSM