on whores and hookers

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I have often wondered about Pakistanis’ fascination about things related to sex? What is such a big deal about two consenting adults, one to satisfy his/her sexual frustration, and the other making a living?
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You tell me. I put up a post in the General Forum titled 'Pakistan: Legalise Dildoes' and it got deleted.

Dhir,

Nowhere have been women more degraded than in the hindu writings so your cheap shots at the islamic faith are laughable. Infanticide is more or less inshrined in Hinduism as is incest and I doubt any other religion considers women more unworthy so you should think carefully before mouthing off. Or do you need proof?


...the final frontier...to go where no man has gone before...

So Xtreme, you are saying that Dildos are illegal in Pakistan? That is kinda news to me, it is like saying that thinking is illegal. There are 1930s Vespas running perfectly fine on roads in Lahore, and I am sure that the ingenious Lahoris have mastered the technique of Dildo making. If mechanical ones are hard to come by, some people turn vegetarian.

Forget about hookers, tell me why would you like to see Dildos be easily available in Pakistan? It is a radical idea. Why didn’t I think of it? I am sure there is a good business prospect. Wana go 50/50 with me on this one?

mundyaa,

even if one is to admit that all muslim women are locked up.... then what does that have to do with increasing number of hindu hookers and whores?<

All that means is women in "islamic" countries are too locked up to even breathe, forget sex. hence, comparisons regarding morals cannot be made between these poor prisoners and the world of free women.

Xtreme,

Infanticide is more or less inshrined in Hinduism as is incest<

just about as much as islam encourages paedophiles, and group sex.

why is it that nobody wants to discuss the increasing filth that hindus/bhuddists/christians are bringing into this world?

IF and thats a big IF women are “locked up” in houses to raise kids or whatever then atleast they arent begging men for money and in return giving them sexual favors. so full marks to Islam when it comes to making women aware of what right and wrong is… atleast when it comes to prostitution.

nyahmadi dhir and others who think there is NOTHING wrong with prostitution… then u wouldnt mind ur mothers and sisters to do the same? and if u do then i guess u should start using hypocrite as ur first and last name.

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still the question remains… have these religions failed to provide women with any morals that they so easily chose to have sex for change with any man?

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nyahmadi dhir and others who think there is NOTHING wrong with prostitution.... then u wouldnt mind ur mothers and sisters to do the same? <<<

would you like to have your 8-year old daughter married to a 55 year old man, or someone who already has 3 wives? Send them over to Afghanistan, as there are plenty of eligible men. Do it in the name of Islam.

would you like to have your 8-year old daughter married to a 55 year old man, or someone who already has 3 wives? Send them over to Afghanistan, as there are plenty of eligible men. Do it in the name of Islam. <<<

is that being discussed here? did i make the claim that it was right?

on the other hand u claimed that there isnt anything wrong with prostitution. and guess what thali kai bengan… prostitution is being discussed here.

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Queer, your reply is brilliant. Very to the point. Zara

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Originally posted by queer:
**mundyaa wrote:

a muslim woman to adopt prostitution is a giant leap. for a hindu, bhuddist and others its a walk in a park.<

in "Islamic" countries like Saudia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, its a gigantic leap for women to do just about anything which might be just a walk in the park for women elsewhere.

Be it something as trivially amusing as feeling the warm morning sun on one's face; something of the practical utility value of driving a car; being a part of the electoral process of their lovely country; having a say when it comes to chosing their life partner; having any decent recreational physical exercise, like maybe play a game to basketball; go out in a pair of loose and comfy cotton trousers without being addressed by the vilest of words; sing a song in public; be part of any sort of dramatics..

which countries have the total number of women "married" by the heads of states running into three digit figures, all done with proper "religious" clearance?

in bombay, we have the balls to call it prostitution, while in saudiya, they bring in their versions of islam to justify women being treated as sex objects. give the arab woman a choice, she'd rather be a free hooker in bombay than be a slave taking part in the vulgar orgies at the king's castle.

Ever heard of the indian child bride, Amina, barely 13-14, whom a lecherous 60 year old saudi sheikh married, but got caught by indian authorities while flying her to saudi?

morals aint for women alone, and morals dont mean a thing when you are all locked up.**
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Originally posted by mundyaa:
IF and thats a big IF women are "locked up" in houses to raise kids or whatever then atleast they arent begging men for money and in return giving them sexual favors. so full marks to Islam when it comes to making women aware of what right and wrong is... atleast when it comes to prostitution.
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Well then, HOORAY for locking up women! What a great idea!! It is some skewed interpretation of our religion that has made our society lock up it's women. I think the point that you are missing, here, mundyaa, is that it is not necessarily a moral issue, but rather an issue of freedom. If locking up women to prevent prostitution seems like a good outcome to you, then why don't you move to Saudi Arabia and stop enjoying the freedoms of the west?

In the countries that you are criticising, women have the choice to make good choices and bad choices. Of course some of them make bad choices. Just like the men in Pakistan, who are free, make both good choices and bad choices. As Queer so eloquently pointed out, the issue is not so easy as you are making it out to be.

When women are not free, it's really not appropriate to brag about morals.

Zara

The entire morality of Muslims revolves around women and possibilty that their women might cheat. Muslim men cheating women is never a concern for them.
The cricket team, which would sell theim mother, or at least motherland for money are their heroes. Their politicians and sultans run orgies in their houses. The criminals rule their nations.
But they are all worried about what their women will do behind them.
This is because they are not handsome and sexy like Japanese. They are confident that their women given a chance will definitely want another man. They know that they can not satisfy their women.
Hence they put a policeman after their love because thye are not good in bed and their women are unhappy.
On the other hand a real man, like Japanese will give freedom to women, cuz he is confident of his sexual ability.

mundyaa,

Here is an update for you.

Most of the women hookers (yeah, there are even male homosexual hookers in Lahore) don't live in Heera mandi anymore. They live in prestigious neighborhoods like Model town and Gulberg and come in chauffeur driven expensive cars at night to Heera mandi for the business. A lot of them are celebrities, meaning they hold quite higher status quo in society.

Ever been to Pearl Continental or Avari in Lahore? It's not hard to find a King Edward student who is a call girl at night to pay for her fees.

So don't tell me Zia drove them all out. He drove them all out to the expensive suburbs and contributed in spreading the 'business'.

And don't tell me that a particular religion promotes prostitution and other does not. Prostitution has deeper social and economic causes than sole religious beliefs.

Yes, the Japs are so confident of their looks, even their cartoon characters have round eyes instead of oriental.

Queer,

I am not really interested in an argument about whether Islam or Hinduism is more ‘sexist’. It is irrelevant. You are a nice kid. Somehow I doubt your mother is a hooker. Somehow I think you are glad even if you won’t admit it.

In our religion a woman is more than just a piece of ass. She is given responsibility and respect. Forget the web and visit some real Pakistani/muslim families and you will see that this is the case.

NYA,

The legalise dildoes thread was a direct response to your Legalise Sharab effort. The reasoning behind it was that if Pakistan became an openly alcoholic culture, like say in Britain, women would find that their men would spend too much time in the bars and because of innebriation would be incapable of performing their ‘duties’. Hence the need for battery-operated partners.

Pakistani men, on the other hand, in general, are deprived of alcohol and women, thus they are generally physically fit and highly sexed, obliterating the need for sex-aids.

Believe me, your average gora would rather nurse a pint of Guiness than his woman. we have to fight the goris off in our neck of the woods

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…the final frontier…to go where no man has gone before…

My friend,
If you don't know what is being discussed, then it's better not to write.

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Just dropped in briefly

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Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
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Queer,

I am not really interested in an argument about whether Islam or Hinduism is more 'sexist'. It is irrelevant. You are a nice kid. Somehow I doubt your mother is a hooker. Somehow I think you are glad even if you won't admit it.**

After saying that queer's mother is hooker, he goes on to talk about his respect for women.

In our religion a woman is more than just a piece of ass. She is given responsibility and respect. Forget the web and visit some real Pakistani/muslim families and you will see that this is the case.

Let me paste here an article from 'Nation' talk of morality.

  • *Parliament se bazaar... Iftikhar Ahmed **

It's a thriller. It's a shocker. The book is in circulation. Everyone who can read Urdu wants to read it. Those who have read it are eager to pass it on to others. Three editions of this book have been published within three months, and the demand keeps rising. No wonder, this book may win the bestseller award of 2000, nationally if not internationally. Zaheer Ahmed Baber, the writer and a dauntless journalist, has unmasked in this book the lives of our politicians; their passion for drinking, womanising and sex orgies.

The book tells us what a jungle our country is, where the might of money and power sees no ends and no norms. It gives us the insight how our politicians have masqueraded themselves behind the mask of sincerity, serenity, and philanthropy. It reveals how they beguile the naïve populace with their false promises, lead them to personality cult and deceive them behind the scene with their disgusting acts. The title describes the story of our public representatives who enjoy beauty and sex more than anything else. They feel no qualms going from the sacred floor of parliament to 'Bazaar Hussan' - a euphemism used for the place where beauties are sold. Bazaar Hussan is also known as 'Red Light Area' in the main cities' where a man of honor feels ashamed to go. Some beauties who used to live in these areas are now moved out in their expensive bungalows, thanks to our politicians who patronise them. In return, the beauties provide them the pleasure they seek.

From the early days of Pakistan to the recent times, our rulers have been enjoying their orgies, writes Zaheer. Before her marriage with President Sikander Mirza, Naheed, the beautiful wife of an official, met the President in a party. Seeing the President very much interested in her she invited him to her apartment when her husband was out of the town. The President spent the whole night with her. Next morning she made an omelet for him. The pleased President gave her a cheque worth Rs 500, 000 (now worth more than 5 millions rupees) for the service he received. Later, he often bragged to his friends of eating the most expensive omelet in the world. A Lebanese beauty infatuated Governor General Ghulam Mohammad, while President Ayub Khan enjoyed having fun with a young white beauty Kristine Keller. President Yahya Khan, like Rangeela Shah, loved having fair sex parties. From General Rani) to the Melody Queen, he was fond of buxom beauties. Andaleeb, currently a model and film star is known to be the daughter of Gen. Yahya Khan who had an affair with her mother Mrs. Agha.
Zaheer boldly discloses how Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto acted like the Prince Charming. He loved the film star beauties: Madhu Bala, Nargis and Surraiya. He'd regale them, writes Zaheer, in the most expensive hotels of India before partition. In Karachi, even as Foreign Minister, he would sneak out from his Clifton residence to see his inamorata, Hassina Sheikh, who lived close by in an apartment. While disclosing the sex stories of the Daughter of the East, Zaheer shocks the reader with the love tales of Mian Nawaz Sharif who once gave his heart to Tahira Syed and later enjoyed being with Dilshad Begum in the cool of Bhoorbhan. Hussain Nawaz and Hamza Sharif used to have unbridled fun at one of the local hotels in Lahore, with TV and film stars. No body dared to check on them.

The Lal Haveli of Sheikh Rashid has been the hub of drinking and dancing where the 'Farzand-e-Pakistan' would frequently invite the film stars including Reema, and have great fun with them. That's why Reema was nominated most of the time for the film award while he was the minister of cultural affairs. Ghulam Mustafa Khar, once known as 'The Lion of Punjab', in the presence of his wife Tehmina, enjoyed having illicit relations with her wife's sister Adeela. Hafeez Pirzada, Bhutto's Law Minister, had a long record of fun with Barbara Sharif. And about the Ghairatmand Musalman Imran Khan, Zaheer discloses his love affairs with Sharon Silver, Emma Sergeant, Lucy, Sita White, Rekha and Ashairya Rai. These are our public representatives who take oath on the constitution to serve the people. The constitution article (62) calls for men of character to serve the nation. In Western countries, where sex is free and having relation with opposite sex is not looked down upon, the sex scandals of public leaders are never tolerated. Even the most powerful President of the world, President Clinton, found his presidency shaking when Monica scandal came to light. However, our politicians go scot-free. They are never accounted for going against the constitutional clause 62.

A Minister may rape a girl who comes to his office for a job and the girl is coerced to shut her mouth. She can't go to any one to complain. There is no court, there is no law agency, and there is no man in power who will help the unfortunate soul in our country. The Minister still dashes around without being challenged, without being punished. Once again when the democracy is restored he'd return to power. Once again he'd rape the needy girls and have their mouth shut. This will perhaps continue, unless our people recognise these wolves, and discard them forever.


Any comments mundayya, Mr. Xtreme.

A dutch woman was molested in broad daylight in Lahore. Talk of 'respect'. Mundayaa's language to rani or dehatan shows the respect amply. And now Mr. Xtreme joins the league by bringing in queer's mother. At least queer's mother did not give birth to moron as Mr. Xtreme's mother did.

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Umair, watch the 'color' lingo, would ya?

Alright, fuck it. You guys ain't worth it.