on whores and hookers part 2

alright guys watch the language here.

cheers,

zaraatif, you wouldnt mind a society where women are out on the streets having sex with every other guy for money? so what input do you have on the fact that these non-islamic countries are producing a large supply of whores and hookers?

Benazir a head of the state in Pakistan was a woman… has US seen a female president? ever? Pakistans literacy rate is close to 30%. Needless to say women’s literacy rate is also close to it… the number of jobs created is also less than most of these western countries… If women are dragged into prostituting by economic reasons and not religious reasons then… Pakistan should have the most number of prostitutes by this logic.

But thats not the case. Now I agree with the fact that women should not be locked up like they are done by some saudies and some afghans.

Islam preaches equality among women. At the same time it recognizes the importance of family and a womans role in making a family. Womans reproduce… men do not. Its a fact. Women can raise kids better than men can… its a fact. Now if Islam emphasizes on a womans role to stay home and take care of kids then that SHOULD NOT be mistaken as being locked up.

I still do not understand why everyone is so keen to discuss and point fingers at Islam in every thread… hindu whores and hookers alone can outnumber the entire population of women in the middle east. Is this the reason why they are so keen to convert to other religions?

I am posting the article from 'Nation' again in case people did not read it. It shows how widespread sexual exploitation is in pakistan.

I will not be there to respond the replies cuz I am going.

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Parliament se bazaar...
Iftikhar Ahmed

It's a thriller. It's a shocker. The book is in circulation. Everyone who can read Urdu wants to read it. Those who have read it are eager to pass it on to others. Three editions of this book have been published within three months, and the demand keeps rising. No wonder, this book may win the bestseller award of 2000, nationally if not internationally. Zaheer Ahmed Baber, the writer and a dauntless journalist, has unmasked in this book the lives of our politicians; their passion for drinking, womanising and sex orgies.

The book tells us what a jungle our country is, where the might of money and power sees no ends and no norms. It gives us the insight how our politicians have masqueraded themselves behind the mask of sincerity, serenity, and philanthropy. It reveals how they beguile the naïve populace with their false promises, lead them to personality cult and deceive them behind the scene with their disgusting acts.

The title describes the story of our public representatives who enjoy beauty and sex more than anything else. They feel no qualms going from the sacred floor of parliament to 'Bazaar Hussan' - a euphemism used for the place where beauties are sold. Bazaar Hussan is also known as 'Red Light Area' in the main cities' where a man of honor feels ashamed to go. Some beauties who used to live in these areas are now moved out in their expensive bungalows, thanks to our politicians who patronise them. In return, the beauties provide them the pleasure they seek.

From the early days of Pakistan to the recent times, our rulers have been enjoying their orgies, writes Zaheer. Before her marriage with President Sikander Mirza, Naheed, the beautiful wife of an official, met the President in a party. Seeing the President very much interested in her she invited him to her apartment when her husband was out of the town. The President spent the whole night with her. Next morning she made an omelet for him. The pleased President gave her a cheque worth Rs 500, 000 (now worth more than 5 millions rupees) for the service he received. Later, he often bragged to his friends of eating the most expensive omelet in the world. A Lebanese beauty infatuated Governor General Ghulam Mohammad, while President Ayub Khan enjoyed having fun with a young white beauty Kristine Keller. President Yahya Khan, like Rangeela Shah, loved having fair sex parties. From General Rani) to the Melody Queen, he was fond of buxom beauties. Andaleeb, currently a model and film star is known to be the daughter of Gen. Yahya Khan who had an affair with her mother Mrs. Agha.
Zaheer boldly discloses how Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto acted like the Prince Charming. He loved the film star beauties: Madhu Bala, Nargis and Surraiya. He'd regale them, writes Zaheer, in the most expensive hotels of India before partition. In Karachi, even as Foreign Minister, he would sneak out from his Clifton residence to see his inamorata, Hassina Sheikh, who lived close by in an apartment. While disclosing the sex stories of the Daughter of the East, Zaheer shocks the reader with the love tales of Mian Nawaz Sharif who once gave his heart to Tahira Syed and later enjoyed being with Dilshad Begum in the cool of Bhoorbhan. Hussain Nawaz and Hamza Sharif used to have unbridled fun at one of the local hotels in Lahore, with TV and film stars. No body dared to check on them.

The Lal Haveli of Sheikh Rashid has been the hub of drinking and dancing where the 'Farzand-e-Pakistan' would frequently invite the film stars including Reema, and have great fun with them. That's why Reema was nominated most of the time for the film award while he was the minister of cultural affairs. Ghulam Mustafa Khar, once known as 'The Lion of Punjab', in the presence of his wife Tehmina, enjoyed having illicit relations with her wife's sister Adeela. Hafeez Pirzada, Bhutto's Law Minister, had a long record of fun with Barbara Sharif. And about the Ghairatmand Musalman Imran Khan, Zaheer discloses his love affairs with Sharon Silver, Emma Sergeant, Lucy, Sita White, Rekha and Ashairya Rai. These are our public representatives who take oath on the constitution to serve the people. The constitution article (62) calls for men of character to serve the nation. In Western countries, where sex is free and having relation with opposite sex is not looked down upon, the sex scandals of public leaders are never tolerated. Even the most powerful President of the world, President Clinton, found his presidency shaking when Monica scandal came to light. However, our politicians go scot-free. They are never accounted for going against the constitutional clause 62.

A Minister may rape a girl who comes to his office for a job and the girl is coerced to shut her mouth. She can't go to any one to complain. There is no court, there is no law agency, and there is no man in power who will help the unfortunate soul in our country. The Minister still dashes around without being challenged, without being punished. Once again when the democracy is restored he'd return to power. Once again he'd rape the needy girls and have their mouth shut. This will perhaps continue, unless our people recognise these wolves, and discard them forever. **

[This message has been edited by ZZ (edited May 30, 2000).]

thanks zz for sharing this article. i pity you though..... you have nothing going in your defense of hinduism. i mean by bringing up acts of the elites in Pakistan which account for what less than 0.001% of Pakistans entire population.

[This message has been edited by Roman (edited May 30, 2000).]

Hmmmmmmmmm Well there will be time as Mohammad(pbh) told us in hadith that women will hunt down men for sex…i think that thing is happening at this day…in cities of pakistan, in muslim countries, in western coutries these things are happening where women are desprate to have sex…with men and they hunt them down kiddnap them…to give you an example…certain parts of lahore, you are not alowed to go there after 8 or 10 PM because rick fathers little bitchyy daughters will just kiddnap you…and those kind of things REAALLy happened…
Women hunting for sex…will come because it will and it has been told in hadith..now weather it comes through our own muslim women, who do not mind having sex for money( ugly fat bitches they are) or if this thing comes through more nasty phase of the matter which are NON-muslim women.
We can sit here and babble and rave and rant about it but it wont stop…so i request to you munddaya to stop it with this debate…no need to get personal or angry…this thing told by mohammad(PBH) will happen no matter what…and it will happen when other people who do not mind other women having sex for money and well…you get the idea.

Last thing…those who do not mind this women having sex for money…someday your sisters and daughters will be HUNTERS and our brothers and sons will be the ones being HUNTED.

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Jaawan


Till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid©

Some hadiths....

003.034.439 - Sales and Trade -

Narrated Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari

Allah's Apostle forbade taking the price of a dog, money earned by prostitution and the earnings of a soothsayer.

003.034.440 - Sales and Trade -

Narrated Aun bin Abu Juhaifa

I saw my father buying a slave whose profession was cupping, and ordered that his instruments (of cupping) be broken. I asked him the reason for doing so. He replied, "Allah's Apostle prohibited taking money for blood, the price of a dog, and the earnings of a slave-girl by prostitution; he cursed her who tattoos and her who gets tattooed, the eater of Riba (usury), and the maker of pictures."

003.036.483 - Hiring -

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet prohibited the earnings of slave girls (through prostitution).

007.063.258 - Divorce -

Narrated Abu Mas'ud

The Prophet prohibited taking the price of a dog, the earnings of a soothsayer and the money earned by prostitution.

007.063.259 - Divorce -

Narrated Abu Juhaifa

The Prophet cursed the lady who practices tattooing and the one who gets herself tattooed, and one who eats (takes) Riba' (usury) and the one who gives it. And he prohibited taking the price of a dog, and themoney earned by prostitution, and cursed the makers of pictures.

007.063.260 - Divorce -

Narrated Abu Huraira

The Prophet forbade taking the earnings of a slave girl by prostitution.

Jaawan


Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©

thanks for the input guyz. judging from the response of hindus i think i've figured out the answer as to why hindus/bhuddists produce a lot of whores and hookers.

economy, economy, economy.

hindu whores and hookers are a hot commodity all around the world. be it for the harami elites of Pakistan, saudi, kuwait.... they all use them. in the mean while if they are infected with aids thats like killing two birds with one stone. so hindu is winning the game on both ends by exporting a lot of whores and hookers.

needless to say.... that did the muslim rulers in india a long time ago. and we are making the same mistakes again.

Why are you guys being so racist by repeatedly saying Hindu hookers?
Prostitues exist all over the world, from different race, religon and culture.

Don't forget the fact that Muslim prostitues exist too. Countries like Thailand and Pakistan are both Muslim countries in which prostitution is a big part.

Don't forget that many of these women have no turned to the profession because they want to, in most cases it's the only way for survival.

I know some people in Lahore, and it was their son's first birthday party. They filmed the event and then showed it to us when they came over to London. In the evening all the men locked themselves in a room with alcohol and a dancer (what's the proper term for it, courtesan?). Anyway, these guys who are about as old as my Dad were totally pissed dancing around with this woman. Ok, so that's not prostitution, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those guys had a little "fun" with her at the end of the evening.

It's the men who exploit women in many different forms, and all this won't stop until they stop putting women in that position.

If there's no market for prostitution, there won't be any prostitues.

Get over it!!!!!

Don't forget the fact that Muslim prostitues exist too. Countries like Thailand and Pakistan are both Muslim countries in which prostitution is a big part. <<

farhana, yes im sure they do. but its not an industry for them like it is for hindu whores and hookers. hindus take pride in them as a matter of fact cos they see nothing wrong with prostitution.

infact most of the hindus here wont even mind if their close relatives performed such acts.... For muslims it would be a matter of life and death. Im sure u would rather kill urself than be a prostitute? correct.

hindus also take pride in the fact that hindu whores and hookers were the main cause of the fall of Muslim rule in india. so prostitution has nothing to do with morals for them... it was a matter of survival yesterday and economy today.

[QUOTE]
Originally posted by farhana:

Countries like Thailand and Pakistan are both Muslim countries in which prostitution is a big part.

Dear Farhana,
Thailand is a Buddhist country.
Just letting you know.

[quote]
Originally posted by farhana:
*Why are you guys being so racist by repeatedly saying Hindu hookers? *
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Farhana,

thanks for calling a spade a spade. you'll see many such idiotic posts around here. Prostitution is just the facade, the real purpose of the post is for mundyaa to scream "hindu hindu".. this time buddhists get the muck too, coz Karokari gives him a complex as well..

i have often wondered how other muslims feel about this cheap and vulgar way to make islam appear the better religion. i can assure you that non-muslims like me get a very negative picture of islam, thanks to such "mature" posts advocating its benefits.

hindu whores and hookers are role models for bhuddist whores and hookers. places like hongkong, thailand etc are following the hindu womans way of making money.

queer u dont like the word bunya now u have a problem with hindu... what would u like ur religion to be called? phallus worshipers.

ZZ, politician and most those in power (or on a power trip) have done similar things all over the world. In the US, the multi-million dollar paid athletes are notorious for this kind of stuff. It is not unique or limited to Pakistan.

My view is that whatever they do, it is their business, our concern should be what they have done for the country. They basically have done nothing for the nation. They have screwed the Nation more than they have screwed around. The reason, most Americans looked the other way when Clinton got entangled in the Lewinsky matter is because the economy was prospering, unemployment at a very low level, and social services were improved. Had it been the bad economy, Clinton’s ass would be dragged on streets for ages to come.

If Sharif wants to screw around with movie stars, that is his business, but he should share the bounty with his countrymen.

NYA....what ZZ was talking about is prevalent in all countries not just Pakistan, but these countries don't give others lectures about morality and respect for women.

Mr Xtreme claimed that Pakistanis don't treat women like a "piece of ass" (his term). Maybe so, but he is insinuating that other countries do, specially Western countries. The thing is that I donot see women in Western countries complaining about being treated badly or as Mr. Xtreme so eloquently put -- like a "piece of ass".

On the other hand here we have a person like mundyaa talking about "hindu whores" as if he has gotten a PhD. in prostitution or either has first hand knowledge of it. He's actually brought religion into prostitution (you guys are obsessed about religion). This is how people like mundyaa show their respect for women (specially from other communities) and he has the audacity to talk about women's treatment in western countries.

Whoops........apologies for getting my geography/theology wrong, but it doesn't take away the fact that moat of the people here are racist.

What makes you think that Islam is the best??? You're only saying that because you yourself are Muslim. Ask a Hindu or Christian and he/she will say that they're religon is the best.

Most of you guys here need to grow up........

farhana, u follow Islam yet defend hinduism.... well u have failed even then.

why dont u explain to us why hindus are producing large number of whores and hookers? There are lots of muslim women who live under compareable economic conditions as these hindu women... yet hindu women chose prostitute.

u probably have a poor geography so we can talk about prostitution here. hindu women here in US would have sex for a movie and a cheap dinner. they even beat the hispanic hookers when it comes to blowing a man for change. and thats not even the confused clan mind you. now what do you have to say in their defense?

[This message has been edited by mundyaa (edited May 31, 2000).]