On Swiss minaret ban!

Eh, he never said there weren’t churches in “Islamic” countries. He said that you’ll never hear “the bell of a Church in an Islamic Country”.

Talking about Churches in Malysia, they just set one on fire in Kuala Lumpur, and that because they don’t want Christians to use the word “Allah”. LOL

Hareem I think you dont live in this world.

I wont give you the example of other Islamic countires and how they treat Minorites or Muslims but here is the reality check for you:

Treatment of Christians:

How many Christians are Ministers or are on high authorities? None
How many are respected in daily lives? None
How many are protected in Islamic Republic of Pakistan? None

Muslims Attack 110 Homes of Christians in Pakistan, Religion Today News, Commentary

Pakistan: Christians shot at close range for refusing to convert to Islam - Jihad Watch

Pope meets with president of Pakistan over treatment of Christians Video

Pakistan Christian Post

Treatment of Hindus

How many Hindus are Ministers or are on high authorities? None
How many are respected in daily lives? None
How many are protected in Islamic Republic of Pakistan? None

Comparison to European Nations for Muslims

All Europeans nations provide equal rights to their citizens. You get equal treatment, your children go to same schools as whites…you get benefits…you become MP and Minister…you are free to practice your faith…**maybe not able to minaret on Mosque but its not Islamically required. **Or maybe ban full burqa in France which is then again not Islamicaly required to cover your face completely…ie think about Hajj.

Is it freedom or is it what Non Muslims get in Pakistan or other Islamic countires?

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But I have heard the sound of bell in a Christian Church in Lahore.

In your reply, I can come up with thousands of news where muslims have been killed/humiliated by non-muslims, I can also give the examples of middle eastern countries where they pay Western people more money and give preference over locals, I can also give you the example of Western shops and restaurants being opened everywhere in the Islamic countries but this isn't the point of my thread.

The ban on minaret will not bring any change to the mistreatment of some minorities in Eastern countries nor it'd help the integration of different communities in West.

There are people like Tahir ul Qadri who are trying to make better relationships between Christians and Muslims in Pakistan, I think we need more people like him and also I think the media can do a lot to spread love and tolerance for each other but unfortunately it's not happening, same goes for the Western media.

Also, if there isn't a good reason then they should not put these restrictions on. There's a very old school building in UK and Muslims bought it and wanted to build minaret but few people didn't want to alter the building because it is a historical building and I'm totally in their favour and if there's a petition against altering that building, I'll sign it because there's a pretty good reason for it.

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ohh no please not Tahir ul Qadri....the guy has a lot of quesiton marks on his forehead already...nevermind.

Bascially lets make it simple

We all agree what Sweden did is wrong.

But another question arises? Is there any Islamic need for Minarat on the Mosque? Khana Kaaba does not have any minarat.

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^Hanah kabaah is not the masjid, the masjid is the compound area surrounding it (masjid al harraam) and it does have minarets!

Though you do raise a good point, masjids may not neccasarily need minarets, i used to pray in a theatre in some countries during namaaz e eid becuase there were no Masjids so perhaps this is a question for Islamic scholars to address?

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I don't agree with everything that Tahirul Qadri says but he has done some good works.

I don't think minarets are about a need or a religious requirement but they have become the main feature of Islamic architecture and a symbol of Islamic History over the time and hence they have importance.

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^ You sure have a good point. To ban minarets for simply no reason sounds almost deliberately provocative doesn't it?

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^Yes, but we should be patient and put our trust in Allah, this is what the article by Shaykh Abdallah bin Bayah suggests.

Khana Kaaba is the first house of Allah....ie the first Mosque. Holy Prophet SAW used to offer his prayers within the Khaana Kaaba.

But as we all agree the only importance is through cultural inheritance and not to do with Islamic requirements.

And you won’t see anyone here condemn it, especially hareem01. They think Muslims in Europe are allegedly persecuted, while ignoring Muslim countries’ own track record on making lives hell for non-Muslims and other Muslim minorities. Notice how the mods get all touchy when someone dares to bring up the treatment of Christians in Pakistan? :rolleyes:

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I never denied the treatment of non-muslims in some Muslim countries, but I've never seen those Muslim countries claiming to be most civilized, tolerant and democratic either so it won't shock me if I hear mistreatment of people in these countries.

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I think as long as the Muslim People in Switzerland are allowed to pray in their own 4 walls we should stay quiet. You can imagine the Minarett in your mind.

Let's see how this all will develop.