Olympics 2004- Hockey

The teams are divided into two pools as follows:

Pool A

  1. Egypt
  2. Germany
  3. Great Britain
  4. Korea
  5. Pakistan
  6. Spain

Pool B

  1. Argentina
  2. Australia
  3. India
  4. Netherlands
  5. New Zealand
  6. South Africa

2004 Men’s Olympic Games: Matches

Time is local Greece time. GMT + 3hours.

Aug 15th, 2004

8:30 am Pool B Australia - New Zealand -
10:30 am Pool B Argentina - South Africa -
6:00 pm Pool A Korea - Spain -
**6:30 pm Pool A Germany - Pakistan **
8:00 pm Pool A Great Britain - Egypt -
8:30 pm Pool B Netherlands - India -

Aug 17th, 2004

8:30 am Pool A Korea - Great Britain -
10:30 am Pool B Argentina - Australia -
6:00 pm Pool B South Africa - India -
**6:30 pm Pool A Egypt - Pakistan - **
8:00 pm Pool B New Zealand - Netherlands -
8:30 pm Pool A Spain - Germany -

Aug 19th, 2004

8:30 am Pool B Netherlands - South Africa -
**10:30 am Pool A Pakistan - Korea - **
6:00 pm Pool A Germany - Egypt -
6:30 pm Pool A Great Britain - Spain -
8:00 pm Pool B New Zealand - Argentina -
8:30 pm Pool B Australia - India -

Aug 21st, 2004

8:30 am Pool A Egypt - Korea -
10:30 am Pool B India - New Zealand -
6:00 pm Pool B South Africa - Australia -
6:30 pm Pool B Argentina - Netherlands -
**8:00 pm Pool A Spain - Pakistan - **
8:30 pm Pool A Germany - Great Britain -

Aug 23rd, 2004

8:30 am Pool B New Zealand - South Africa -
10:30 am Pool A Spain - Egypt -
**6:00 pm Pool A Pakistan - Great Britain - ** What will Sobi do???
6:30 pm Pool A Korea - Germany -
8:00 pm Pool B India - Argentina -
8:30 pm Pool B Australia - Netherlands -

Aug 25th, 2004

8:30 am 5th Pool B - 6th Pool A -
11:00 am 5th Pool A - 6th Pool B -
6:00 pm 3rd Pool B - 4th Pool A -
**6:30 pm Semi Finals - 1st Pool B - 2nd Pool A - **
8:30 pm 3rd Pool A - 4th Pool B -
**9:00 pm Semi Finals - 1st Pool A - 2nd Pool B - **

Aug 27th, 2004

8:30 am 7th Place

9:00 am 11th Place

11:00 am 5th Place

11:30 am 9th Place

6:00 pm Bronze Medal

8:30 pm Gold Medal

Site to follow the Hockey tournament during olympics:

http://www.planetfieldhockey.com/PFH/Cat-View-183

Pakistani squad:

** Ahmed Alam, Salman Akber goal-keepers) Sohail Abbas, Ali Raza, Zeeshan Ashraf (full-backs) Waseem Ahmed (Vice-captain), Adnan Maqsood, Ghazanfar Ali, Dilawar Hussain, Mudassar Ali Khan, (half-backs) Muhammad Nadeem (Captain) Shabbir Hussain, Rehan Butt, Shakeel Abbasi, Tariq Aziz, Kashif Jawwad (forwards).**

Roelant Oltmans (Chief coach) Tahir Zaman (Assistant coach) Ronald Jensen (goal-keeping coach) Lt. Col. (Retd) Yousuf Baig (Manager), Derk Verder(Physio) Roberto Talenitino (Video) are the officials of the team

Thanks Ehsan. Is Gupshup going to relay Pakistan's matches, as was done for the cricket? Please do.

:insha: We’ll get Gold in Hockey! :jhanda: :jhanda: :jhanda: :jhanda: :jhanda:

Assalam u Alikum Insha’allah PAKISTAN ALL THE WAY. GOLD MEDAL IS OURS.

:jhanda:

By the way thanks for fixture list and pakistan team list ehsan bahi.

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Thanks Ehsan. Is Gupshup going to relay Pakistan's matches, as was done for the cricket? Please do.
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We will try. Watch this thread for any announcement.

Re: Olympics - Hockey

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Aug 15th, 2004
**6:30 pm Pool A Germany - Pakistan *

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Oh oh! The big match... shuru mai hi.

Re: Re: Olympics - Hockey

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Oh oh! The big match... shuru mai hi.
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Yes thats what I thought.

^ waheen se lug pata jaaye gaa k kitnay paani mai hain hum!

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^ waheen se lug pata jaaye gaa k kitnay paani mai hain hum!
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If we loose that match by more than 2 goals difference, we can bury our medal hopes already.

Btw, Pakistan has not won a medal since the Hockey Bronze 1992.

Our pool is harder of the two so Germany will also face tough task in coming matches themselves. We will have to treat every match as a knock out match.

It is about time we regain our lost glory :jhanda:

If only the Australians and our Dutchie friends could beat India and get them out in the group matches. grins

^ lol, I hope we meet India in semifinal or final. That would be deliciuos :yummy: Australians and Dutchies are harder to beat than Indians.

Based on current form, give us some likely scenarios.. as to which matches Pakistan is hopeful to win (all?) and who will get to semis.

I am almost clueless about the current form of Pakistani hockey team. I know we have this killer PC expert (Sohail). Should we be hopeful about a hockey medal this time?

Pakistan should be able to beat Korea and Egypt without much difficulty. Great Britain and Spain are slightly tougher opponent but pakistan should be able to prevail over them. Toughest test is against Germany and that is first up.

We will have to win at least two out of three tough games to qualify and if we do that, race to the medal is slightly easier.

So, even if Pak loses against Germany, there can still make it to Semis (without relying on someone else to lose)?

How does the point system work? How many points you get for winning? And for a draw? Do you get points for losing too (:hehe: sorry, can’t resist… I was reminded of bonus point system in Asia Cup).

Also, if two teams have same number of points, how do they determine which one goes to the next round? Is it based on net goals scored, or head-to-head. I assume semis and on will have penalty shoot-out.

**MOG: Men’s Olympic Games Form Guide **](http://www.planetfieldhockey.com/PFH/Item-View-13753)

With the modern men’s game tending to be won and lost on penalty corner conversion ability, a close tournament is expected in Athens.

Form over the past four years indicates that Germany, Netherlands and Australia should be fighting for the gold, although the emergence of Spain as a world force in the past 12 months could provide the upset.

Pool A
Egypt
Current World Rank: 16
Best Olympic Result: 12th (1992)

Egypt surprised many after they came from behind to dramatically defeat South Africa in extra time in the final of the 2003 All African Games and qualified for their second ever Olympic Games.

A largely unknown quantity to many teams, they are a fast and skilful team that will look similar in style of play to Pakistan, and as such, could surprise any opposition for periods of the match.

Their inexperience in not having appeared in a major tournament since the Barcelona Olympics (1992), leads to suspicion that Egypt are unlikely to trouble the more experienced teams in Pool A.

Players to watch: The tall striker Abrahim Belal plays regularly in the German club league and is a world class player by any standards. His silky skills and ball sense make him a danger in deep offence for Egypt. Controlling the midfield is their captain, Yasser, who will be a vital influence on their ability to shift the ball out of defence into attack.

Expected to Finish: 12th

Germany
Current World Rank: 1
2000 Olympics Results: 5th
Best Olympic Result: Gold (1992, 1972)

The Germans are all but certain to win a medal in Athens, with just the question of colour remaining. A genuine and consistent top-three hockey power since the early seventies, they have recently consolidated their position as the number one ranked team in the world with gold at the 2002 World Cup and 2001 Champions Trophy.

Boasting a wealth of experience in every line, the physically imposing German team combines flair and brilliance in attack with highly disciplined and tough defence. They should head Pool A after the round games.

Germany qualified for Athens by winning the 2003 European Nations Cup.

Players to watch: It is hard to look past the powerful German striker line of Matthias Witthaus, Christoph Bechmann and Bjoern Michel. Their power and ability to penetrate the best defences is a key to Germany’s game plan. Also look for the giant Florian Kunz, highly experienced in both deep defence and on their penalty corner attack.

Expected to Finish: Top 4

Great Britain
Current World Rank: 8
2000 Olympics Results: 6th
Best Olympic Result: Gold (1988)

In world hockey, Great Britain forms every four years to compete at the Olympic Games. All other times, they compete as England, Scotland or Wales. As such, it is often hard to predict just how good the form of Great Britain will be.

Having struggled through the Qualifier tournament in Madrid earlier this year, recent practice results for Great Britain have been mixed. They play a tough and rugged brand of hockey that relies heavily on being able to restrict the opposition midfield and then convert fast counterattacks into scoring opportunities.

Great Britain is a danger side for all teams in Pool A, although inconsistency could be their main enemy.

They qualified for Athens by finishing fifth at the 2004 Olympic Qualifier tournament in Madrid.

Players to watch: Great Britain’s Simon Mason is considered one of, if not the best goalkeeper in the world. The tall Mason is critical to their attempts to defeat some of the powerful corner batteries in Pool A. Also look for the powerful Danny Hall in attack who has the ability to score from both sides of the circle.

Expected to Finish: 9th

Korea
Current World Rank: 4
2000 Olympics Results: Silver
Best Olympic Result: Silver (2000)
Having emerged as a top-six team at the Atlanta Olympics (1996), and then quietly sneaking past some more fancied teams in 1999 and 2000 to win medals at two Champions Trophies and the Sydney Olympics, Korea are never to be underestimated.

Playing a defensive style of hockey that involves a resolute defence and patient midfield, Korea look to attack with long overheads or the long pass up the sidelines. Korea’s biggest hurdle in Athens will be the challenge to create scoring opportunities once in their attacking half.

Their ability to hold a top three ranking over the past two years has slipped relative some other emerging nations, and they are not expected to finish ahead of Germany, Spain and Pakistan in Pool A.
Korea qualified for Athens by winning the 2002 Asian Games.

Players to watch: Seo Jong Ho is a lightening fast striker for Korea, and will draw attention from each opposition’s deep defence. Also potent in attack is their penalty corner specialist, Lee Jung Seon who can score consistently from both the field, and on their corner set play.

Expected to Finish: 7th

Pakistan
Current World Rank: 5
2000 Olympics Results: 4th
Best Olympic Result: Gold (1984, 1968, 1960)

Appearing at every Olympics (except the Moscow boycott in 1980) since 1948, Pakistan earned medals from eight of these 13 appearances.
However, after dominating the world hockey scene from the 60’s through to the early 80’s, they have won just one Olympic bronze medal since winning gold in Los Angeles 1984.
Their free flowing and fast style of play has entertained for many years, although they have struggled to find the same level of success in the last few. A new Dutch coach has seen a shift in their style of play in the last 12 months, and they will pose as a danger match for every opponent in this tournament.
Of particular note is their penalty corner conversion ability, due almost solely to the power and skill of Sohail Abbas.
Pakistan qualified for Athens by finishing third at the 2004 Olympic Qualifier tournament in Madrid.

Players to watch: Deep defender Sohail Abbas is widely acclaimed as the number one penalty corner converter in the world. His track record in high pressure situations is impressive, and opponents will have to limit his chances if they are to defeat Pakistan. Keep an eye on the lightening fast Rehan Butt in attack who often scores a goal a game.

Expected to Finish: 5th

Spain
Current World Rank: 9
2000 Olympics Results: 9th
Best Olympic Result: Silver (1996, 1980)
After consistent top three finishes in 1996 to 1998, Spain looked poised to become a new, consistent medallist and genuine power in men’s hockey. However a disastrous and unexpected ninth place at the Sydney Olympics saw them slip into a rebuilding phase for the next few years.

Playing a spectacular brand of attacking hockey with lightening fast and strong strikers coupled with mobile defence, Spain has now re-emerged as a serious medal contender, and is the Athens tournament “dark horse” that should push into a top two finish in their Pool.
They qualified for Athens by an impressive second place just behind Netherlands as hosts of the Olympic Qualifier in March this year.

Players to watch: The tall and quick striker line of Eduard Tubau, Pol Amat and Santi Friexa will entertain the spectators as well as provide Spain with the weapon that should take them into the semi-finals. Deep defender Xavier Ribas shares the penalty corner duties with Friexa, with both having a very high conversion rate.

Expected to Finish: Top 4

Pool B

Argentina
Current World Rank: 7
2000 Olympics Results: 8th
Best Olympic Result: 8th (2000, 1988)
Argentina has been amongst the top ten nations for some years, and only truly emerged as a genuine contender for a medal in the last two.
A silver medal at the 2001 Junior World Cup as seen an impressive injection of youth and talent into the team, which is spearheaded by the penalty corner brilliance of Jorge Lombi.
Argentina play a more defensive game than their Pool B opponents Australia and India, preferring to occasionally go on the group offensive to earn corners and give Lombi a chance to score. Their strategy of playing with less formal structure than most of the European teams should work to their advantage this tournament.
They will need to take points off Pool favourites Netherlands and Australia in order to make the medal matches at the end of August.
Argentina earned their Athens berth by winning the 2003 PanAmerican Games.

Players to watch: Jorge Lombi is a significant asset for Argentina, being deadly accurate on penalty corners. Young centre midfielder Matias Paredes reads and controls the play for Argentina and will be critical to their ability to gather momentum into attack.

Expected to Finish: 6th

Australia
Current World Rank: 3
2000 Olympics Results: Bronze
Best Olympic Result: Silver (1992, 1976, 1968)
Having consistently won World Cup and Champions Trophy gold medals over the last 20 years, Australia has not yet won the coveted Olympic gold.
With silver at the 2002 World Cup and 2003 Champions Trophy, Australia once again goes into an Olympic tournament with high expectations.
Australia plays an aggressive style of hockey that is hallmarked by a high work-rate of their fast midfield and striker lines. Their ability to create and score against the most resolute of defences makes them firm medal favourites, although they will need to be at the top of their game both physically and mentally to make the gold medal final.
The young Australian team qualified for Athens, their twelfth Olympics, by winning the 2003 Oceania Cup.

Players to watch: Penetrating midfielders Troy Elder and Michael Brennan are they key to Australia’s success in Athens. Also look for the young striker Jamie Dwyer, who should impress with his speed and skill inside the attacking half of the field.

Expected to Finish: Top 4

India
Current World Rank: 6
2000 Olympics Results: 7th
Best Olympic Result: Gold (1980, 1964, 1956, 1952, 1948, 1936, 1932, 1928)
With an astonishing record of eight gold medals that included a streak of six in a row from 1928 to 1956, India reins supreme as the most successful international team in hockey history. They have competed in every Olympic tournament since 1920, making Athens their 18th straight appearance.
However the last 20 years have not been to their expectations. India has not finished above fifth in the last five Olympics, and not finished in the top three of any major tournament since 1982.
Like their Australian counterparts, India plays an attacking and flowing style of hockey that puts a greater emphasis on attack rather than defence. Unfortunately, their form in the last 12 months coupled with the injury loss of their star penalty corner weapon, Jugraj Singh, indicates they will not be in the medals in Athens.

They qualified for Athens by finishing fourth at the Madrid Olympic Qualifier earlier this year.

Players to watch: Gagan Ajit Singh is a skilful forward who has an amazing ability to score on the reverse from both sides of the circle. Gagan can win the game for India if left unmarked. Keep an eye on Dhanraj Pillay in the Indian midfield. He is an explosive player who will trouble his opposition counterparts with his speed, skill and ability to find strikers in behind the defence.

Expected to Finish: 8th

Netherlands
Current World Rank: 2
2000 Olympics Results: Gold
Best Olympic Result: Gold (2000, 1996)
Netherlands has dominated the gold medal tally in the last eight years, winning nine of the last 12 major tournaments (Olympics, World Cup and Champions Trophy) since 1996.
Whilst they didn’t play their best hockey in Sydney, they showed their resilience, class and experience to claw their way to victory, proving they are the strongest of medal favourites irrespective of their form. They have five players who are attempting to win their third consecutive gold medal.
Playing a style of hockey similar to that of the Germans, they place a large emphasis on controlling and possessing the ball in their defensive half, whilst also being punishing in attack on the fast break.

Netherlands cantered into the Athens tournament by winning the Madrid Qualifier earlier this year.

Players to watch: Look no further than the dynamic Teun de Nooijer. Hailed as the best player in the world for the last few years, forward de Nooijer has incredible speed with the ball and an uncanny goal sense. Having the ability to win a game in his own brilliance, de Nooijer will be the focus for every defence he encounters.

Expected to Finish: Top 4

New Zealand
Current World Rank: 11
2000 Olympics Results: Did not compete
Best Olympic Result: Gold (1976)
It may come as a surprise that despite being a hockey minnow compared to some of their more decorated Pool members, New Zealand is competing in their eighth Olympic tournament, and already has a gold medal under their belt from 1976.
New Zealand can be categorised as a hard working team that will attempt to attack with speed when they manage to break past the opposition’s midfield. They have developed an aggressive press in recent years that is similar to that of their Australian neighbours.
Injuries to key players have weakened the New Zealand team in the build-up to Athens. Their recovery will be critical to their chances of breaking into the top eight.
New Zealand qualified by finishing sixth at the Madrid Qualifier tournament.

Players to watch: The tall and solidly built Hayden Shaw is an imposing figure on the field, and nowhere more so than on attacking penalty corners. He has a ruthless corner strike and if his confidence holds, could be a game winner in critical matches.

Expected to Finish: 10th

South Africa
Current World Rank: 13
2000 Olympics Results: Did not compete
Best Olympic Result: 10th (1996)
After the heartbreak of the Sydney Olympics in 2000 where after qualifying, they were withdrawn from competition by their own National Olympic Committee, many would not have expected South Africa to have recovered.

To the contrary, the South Africans regrouped and have made it to the Athens Olympic Games as the twelfth and final qualifier after winning a thrilling penalty stroke shoot-out with Belgium at the Madrid Qualifier tournament earlier this year.
South Africa plays a tough and physical brand of hockey that relies on fast breaks to try and penetrate the opposition’s thinner defence. Inexperience may be a factor for the South Africans in this tournament, and they will need to play above expectations to finish above eighth.

Players to watch: Striker Greg Nicol is a prolific and consistent goal scorer for South Africa. Whilst not renowned for explosive speed or dazzling runs through the midfield, Nicol is an immaculate finisher with a proven track record once in the circle. He’ll be ably supported by the evergreen Gregg Clark whose presence in the attacking half gives South Africa great drive forward.

Expected to Finish: 11th

Predicted Pool Finish:

1 to 4
Germany, Spain
Netherlands, Australia

5 to 8
Pakistan, Korea
Argentina, India

9 to 12
Egypt, Great Britain
New Zealand, South Africa

Final Rank Prediction:

Netherlands
Germany
Australia
Spain
Pakistan
Argentina
Korea
India
Great Britain
New Zealand
South Africa
Egypt

Germany is expected to win all of their matches. So yes Pakistan could still make it to the semis even if they lose against Germans (God Forbid)

  • In each pool, all the teams will play against each other, and the following points will be awarded for each match :

• three points to the winner
• one point to each team, in the event of a draw
• no points to the loser :k:

  • In each pool, teams will be ranked according to the number of points each has accumulated in the competition.

(a) If at the end of the pool matches two or more teams have the same number of points for any place in a pool, these teams will be ranked according to their respective number of matches won.

(b) If there remains equality among two or more teams, then these teams will be ranked according to their respective goal difference (which means “goals for” less “goals against”). A positive goal difference always takes precedence over a negative one.

(c) If there still remain equality among two or more teams, then these teams will be ranked according to their respective number of ‘goals for’.

(d) Should there still remain equality among two teams, then the result of the match played between those teams will be taken into consideration to determine the ranking of the tied teams. If more than two teams are involved, then a ranking based upon the results of the matches among (only) them shall determine their respective position

There is more to it but i think these should be enough to clear the picture.

Credit : Taken from www.fihockey.org

Reading ehsan bhai's post (taken from fieldhockey) seems like Spain and Pak will compete for the other semi slot. Their match on Sat (8/21) will therefore be very important.