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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
So it's ok for home grown American terrorist groups to possess the same sort of armory and technology that only terrorists would procure, as long as they don't use them? Only when then do a McVeigh and kill hundreds, if not thousands would the US government take action?
What no pre-emptive strikes against terrorists?
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What the hell are you looking for out of this?? Pay attention.. the US government is going after these domestic terrorists with just as much vigor as they pursue Iraq.. only they get it right at home.
Do you have any other point? Cuz if this is another tired exercise in trying to blame America for something you're in the wrong thread. No hypocrisy here. Choose your fights more wisely in the future.
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What the hell are you looking for out of this?? Pay attention.. the US government *is going after these domestic terrorists with just as much vigor as they pursue Iraq.. only they get it right at home.
Do you have any other point? Cuz if this is another tired exercise in trying to blame America for something you're in the wrong thread. No hypocrisy here. Choose your fights more wisely in the future.
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Tsk tsk...temper temper.
If the US government is really going after these people with same vigour as others, then do tell us if the US military has bombed each and every militia (military) training camp in the United States? Have all these people been disarmed of all the terrorist stockpile of weapons they have in their posession, and their leaders locked up for preaching hatred against the United States government? Do tell?
US govt. cannot go after these people because they are too powerful and fanatic to the core… may I remind you of Waco! they never gave up but instead faught back perfered death and killed several ATF officials. Beside its easy to lobe few cruise missiles on a helpless state…
Plus they hide behind the US constitution i.e. freedom to bear arms and free speech etc.
When we see the US military bombing each and every one of the military training camps of these groups, seize their massive weaponary, and arrest their leaders who call for the violent overthrow of the US federal govt, then maybe we will be convinced that the US is pursuing these terrorists with the same vigour as other groups around the world. In fact when was the last time the US Congress passed a bill to spend tens of billions of dollars to go after these groups, as they have in respect to foreign groups?
It seems some people can make assertions, but then can’t back them up?
haha, don't dislocate your shoulder reaching for all those straws. The military is used strictly for defending US citizens against foreign enemies, the FBI deals with domestic terrorists like they did with the WACO wackos, McVeighs groupies and the like. You're kidding yourself if you think that the FBI and the HSD doesn't have a close eye on these freaks. The relative threat posed by radical Islam is exponentially greater.
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haha, don't dislocate your shoulder reaching for all those straws. The military is used strictly for defending US citizens against foreign enemies, the FBI deals with domestic terrorists like they did with the WACO wackos, McVeighs groupies and the like. You're kidding yourself if you think that the FBI and the HSD doesn't have a close eye on these freaks. The relative threat posed by radical Islam is exponentially greater.
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FBI hahahahahahahahahahaha there is a famous saying about FBI and CIA.. FBI cannot find a hooker in a whore house and CIA cannot find its ass on the map... With $100B budget they might as well become a hooker and an ass. LOL... you yanks can be very amusing at times.
You're kidding yourself if you think that the FBI and the HSD doesn't have a close eye on these freaks.
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So the FBI allows these home grown American terrorist groups to possess the same sort of armory and technology that only terrorists would procure, as long as they don't use them? The FBI allows these groups to carry on running military training camps that train people to eventually fight the US federal government? No doubt the FBI allows the leaders of these terrorist groups, who have hundreds of thousands of members/sympathisers to issue threats of violence against the United States governement as well? Thank you for that confirmation.
I find the preoccupation with the Oklahoma bomb, and various right wing organizations almost laughable. First, there is a complete inability her to separate a barking dog from a biting dog.
Who edited my last post and why doesn’t it have a tag saying so?? I didn’t say anything off.. now it just looks like I was being snotty :disgust:
Anyway guys, I’m not trying to be insulting here, not losing my temper.. but it is pretty damn annoying to see y’all shooting yourselves in the foot once again. You’ve gotta understand that if you want change (US out of Iraq for example) simply yelling doesn’t do it.. yelling the right thing does. When you go about yelling charges of hypocrisy in threads like this it makes it seem like you’ve got a one-track mind. That you’re not thinking seriously about the issues at hand and simply reacting with canned vitriol. That turns people off and they tend not to take you seriously much afterward.. y’know, the whole crying wolf thing.
There are parallels we could discuss between America’s nutcase terrorists and Islam’s nutcase terrorists, and the public reactions to both.. but if you’re just going to drag it back to one topic that is so far removed no one is going to want to listen.
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There are parallels we could discuss between America's nutcase terrorists and Islam's nutcase terrorists
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**Fraudia: do you really want or need to follow the tactics of the Islamists on these boards and bring up the US' (many) historical sins in an attempt to make a point? *
There is no following of any -ists on any board, but when you use the term "unbelievable" its as if there is no historical precedence or religion has not been abused for people's petty agendas in the past. So people with lack of knowledge of history may find it "unbelievable", i find it shocking, sad and upsetting, but not "unbelievable"
This is not about US' hitorical sins, it includes anytime that religion has been abused by idiotsd the world over throughout the history.
*My point is that 99% of americans have no sympathy whatsoever with McVeigh and abhor the terrorist acts he committed, whereas a majority of muslims worldwide place more blame for the attacks committed by muslims on the US policies than with suicide bombers who are targeting civilians. *
yeah but do 99% of americans have no sympathy for innocent ppl being killed by our ally Israel? where they put the blame for this on the suicice squads of hamas etc?
aside from religion, the people who blindly fall in these sort of mindsets have lack of knowledge, eeucation, exposure and what nots in common. There are many in the muslim countries who suffer from it and its that which makes an impact as well.
the point is that people cant believe that religion can be twisted and used in such a horrible way right? the same way I am shocked to see ppl like our assorted idiotic televangelists with their huge empires built upon the support of their followers, the same televangelists who preach hate against adherents of other faiths..why does it come as a surprise that other idiots can do the same twist religion.
regardless, one can be against suicice bombers as well as against US govt policies, so lets not start calling anyone against US policies as a terrorist sympathizer.