Ok lets be real here, when Goras go to the Middle East...

Their life and almost all fun activities are 180 degrees of most desis. Yes, this is all a generalization, but it is based on my experience and the other desis I have met.

I have met plenty of goras who spent time in the KSA, UAE, Qater, Oman etc, and seems like whatever they did for fun, I never had the chance to do, neither have I even known any desi people who were involved in that kind of stuff.

All these Goras I have met, there activities in the mid east included sand duning in dune buggies, rock climbing, sky diving, boating, sun bathing, exploring caves, going camping in the desert, mountain biking, “Experiencing” Arabic culture and basically just doing cool and expensive outdoor things. Some I met from KSA even had access to exclusive social clubs for foreigners. They always happen to meet the right kind of fun Arabs, who were rich, spoke perfect English, and were into the same things.

Most desis I know who have lived in the KSA, UAE, Qatar, etc (myself included), their activities included hanging out at the mall, shopping, family picnic at the beach, checking out cars at the showroom or at Corniche, drooling over new TVs in the electronic bazaar,watching TV and Indian movies, and just aimlessly wandering around.

Ofcourse, most Goras who are willing to go the Mid East, they are already interested in these activities before hand, so they just meet like minded people. Also, most goras there make the big money. I doubt any gora in KSA makes less than 40K riyals / month. That is seriously big money over there. I am not saying that there aren’t desis who make a lot of money in the mid east, I am very sure there are. I have met people there who were senior engineers, consultants and managers. I am sure they made lots of money.

But still, I had never heard or seen sky diving in KSA! Once I went with my dad to the beach to inquire about boat rentals. It was gonna cost 900 Riyals for 2 hours, and they would have to hold my dad’s aqama. WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND WOULD PAY 450 RIYALS/HOUR FOR A BOAT RIDE??? So then we inquired about the jet skis, they were 125 Riyals / hour, which was ok. but the guy still wanted to hold on to the iqama. Dad just said NO. He said his son is going to ride this, and he will be standing right here with his family, why do they need the iqama. In the end, i just rented one of those ATVs for real cheap and had some fun for half an hour. Before you comment, we are talking about riyals in 1994, so that might not be a lot of money right now, but it sure was back then.

Another thing I noticed. Goras never seemed worried about their Iqama getting lost, their passport expiring, or their family’s visa being late for the renewal deadline. No one ever seemed to bother them.

None of the Arabs I knew were into any of those activites. I had some Saudi friends, and the most expensive car any of them owned was a Cressida. No Ferarri owning Arabs here. They had only one activity, soccer. They played that in the morning, during the afternoon, at night, and during sleep.

Granted, my time in KSA (80 - 96) was mostly spending summer and winter vacations (and elections!!) there. So I was only spending 4 months out of the year there. So maybe those other 8 months all the desis were out boating, four wheeling, exploring underground caves and hanging out with rich Arabs. Who knows!

But not to sound negative in the post, I loved every bit of my time in KSA. I sometimes want to go back and see it again, but it is never going to be the same. That country has changed a lot in the last 9 years, and I am afraid I just might ruin my childhood memories.

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I lived in KSA from 90-00, trust me it's the same. For desis anyway. The key my friend is the money. Goras live like guests and are treated as such, desis are treated like parasites. This explains a lot of the differences. Like alcoholic parties in exclusive foreign compounds. Women driving in those compounds. Such actions are conveniently ignored. As for the other activities you mentioned, most desis are not into such things, therefore most don't even know about them. Regardless, if you want to have fun, you better have a lot of cash to spare!

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i wish i knew what KSA meant!

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Sorry! Duplicate post.

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Hmmm... So what is the question.

LD: KSA = (Royal) Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

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This is so true, that’s why I’m not too fond of Arabs.

What pisses me off even more is when Pakis do silly things like blow themselves up for Arab issues thinking them Islamic when Arabs think of us as shiit and treat us as such.

Whilst their own ugly children are driving around in BM’s and Ferraris, getting pissed and banging out blondes all day, children in Afghanistan and Pakistan hardly get a meal per day and they don’t give a toss about our situation.

We all talk of the West being after the Middle East’s oil but religion aside even if it is we should support the West because think about it we’re Westerners and if the country’s we live in were to benefit so would we, it’s uselss in the Arabs hands, a lot of them don’t quite have the same concept of Ummah as Pakis, a Paki can never get nationality in one of their countries even if he’s an Arab by birth, they think of us as Kameenay in every sense of the word. The West has given us everything, if we don’t take adavantage we’ve only ourselves to blame but instead so many Pakis would rather have their heads up that Bakri’s arsehole and have their loyalties all mixed up.

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there are so many " walaz" on Gs NAI????KULFI WALA CHAAT WALA TEEN DABBAY WALA

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Wow.. parasites... kameenay... so much respect you get there from Arabs, dont you? What? That's actually humiliating? Why do you then still go there, live there, take your families also to live there and suffer the humiliation, WHY? I mean this is natural that a human will never like to live in a place where he/she is treated as "parasites/kameenay". So you are not parasites and kameenaas and do not like to be treated as that? BUT..... THEN WHY DO YOU STILL GO AND LIVE THERE? What? Income? Money? Better life? What is it? It is not better life if we go by what the thread says. So is it money?

So you still go there, live there, take your families there to live too cz you get better money inspite of being treated as parasites and kameenaas? So, money is more important to you than your own self/family respect? You can accept yourself and family to be humiliated and treated as a 2nd grade citizens cz you are getting paid. Which in other words can also mean that you are getting paid for sufferring the ill treatment? So, that is acceptable to you?

So, are you still persistant that you are not a parasite or a kameena for accepting to be treated like that cz you are getting a better pay? Are you sure you are not? In my opinion you ARE. So do not complain if they treat you like that too. If you cannot respect yourself and your family, no one else will. Do not blame them. It is their country and you are the one who went there. They did not invite you to suffer their ill treatment. But you still went and live and suffer it.

Anyone who respects money more than their self is a parasite and kameena to me. So if you want this to stop, start respecting yourself and your own people FROM TODAY.

Good Luck!

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TNWB: Are those red lines from defpoetry or what?

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what's a "defpoetry"?

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Wow, quite a passionate speech. Unfortunately it’s just as shallow.

Maybe you should share your views with all the expatriates in KSA. But I have this feeling, that the taxi drivers, construction workers etc. wouldn’t react too kindly. After all, some of them have old parents back home to support, some of them have daughters and sisters to marry off, some of them even have to seek treatment in hospitals for the medically ill. You will shocked to know that there is also a strange breed of people (like my parents) who in their old age wanted to be close to Makkah so that they can perform Umrahs and Hajj frequently.

Believe it or not, some people place the needs of others before themselves, a concept called sacrafice. Maybe when you grow up, you will understand that everybody in this world aren’t as priveleged as yourself, where they can live where they please and be treated like kings.

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So basically, all of those people above are meeting their one or the other need by staying in the Middle East or KSA, that's what you say? So, you are meeting your needs and do not like what comes with it? Take it if you like, drop it if you dont as simple as that. The world does not end at middle east. Respect yourself and give yourself better. Maybe this is what nature wants to teach you? Those who recognize and learn and try even the nature respects them. These are not words from any book. But this is the reality of life.

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Look they arent saying that there are no benefits of living in middle east. Its just a bummer to see contempt for pakistani on the basis of being pakistani. It is regretful but quite true. Arabs like other races can be prejudiced. And when they get snobbish they should deal with the criticism.
Critcising prejudices isnt an attack on a nationality. Its true Arabs dont think much of pakis and lets be honest, brains arent exactly what makes them hot. Their foreign policies and relation are skewed or if you like 'sucky'.

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Not supporting the prejudice. But would you like it if they had objection on our foreign policy or objection on how Pakistanis live in their own homeland? It could be some other way of living which they do not approve or anything else. Would you like it if any one or more of them came to live in Pakistan looking for better prospects in life and boast about why and how something they do not like about Pakistani government or its' people must be eliminated or Pakistanis are not "good" cz they are like that? No, you would not. First, thing you would say is, "Who the hell are you to come and live on my land and teach me how I should live in my own country or run it. You think you are smarter than us? Then go back and help your country. Do not come here to gain a good life and tell us it is wrong how we treat you.

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A co-worker of mine has family in Al-Khobar and spent about four or five years after high school in Saudi Arabia. She's gori and her family lives on a compound.

Anyway, I asked her to bring in some photographs and the stuff she showed me was simply amazing. There are so many ruins and architectural delights in Saudi, stuff historians would die to see. Some of the ruins included tombs that dated back a couple of hundred years, maybe even a thousand (out in the desert) and it was still being preserved. I was quite surprised as I have never even heard of such stuff in Saudi Arabia, Egypt yes, but not Saudi Arabia.

The beaches and sail boats were also quite beautiful.

If you can afford it, then I don't see why you shouldn't take part in outdoor activities ... but there first needs to be an interest on your part to want to go out into the middle of the desert and see these things. How many Pakistanis are really like that? Even here in North America, they are more into family picnics than paragliding. It just comes down to individual interest.

I can't comment on how Pakistanis are treated there cause I have only heard of experiences from white people who loved it there.

How would it be for a western born and raised Pakistani living on one of those compounds with white people? Are they given the same royal treatment or not?

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My two cents NWB:

If there is an error in approach correct it regardless of who brings attention to it. You've been on gs, people from different nationalities criticise Pakistan and its culture, religion, political stance and such. If you find no grain of truth in other's opinion then fine but prejudices at the end of the day aren’t doing any one any favours. The approach if-you-don’t-like-us-they-way-we-are-then leave isn’t intelligent. No nation is self-sufficient.

I don’t mean to cause any offence to Arabs but it’s a waste that so many sincere Pakistani who hold Arab dear solely on the basis of religion are treated as minors. Nobody likes derogatory behaviour and that’s why you see people complaining about Arab arrogance here.

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Outside of the major cities, there are lots of ruins and old castles. Where I lived, there were atleast 3 castles dating back to the Ottoman times. Now these castles weren’t what anything like those European castles or Lal Qila, but they were still nice to look at. Also near me were caves and natural springs (Jable Ghara), which have some historic significance relating to KSA’s founder.

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I was born in KSA but my family moved back when i was 4-5 so i don't remeber much about that time. However i remember how Pakistanis and non-Goras are treated by the Saudi officials, from my visit to perform Umrah. I hated it and asked my dad how could someone go there and live and he had the same reply as our friend SKhan.

I respect your opinions TNW and that is the reason why i feel reluctant checking job oppertunities in middle east even though i will have a canadian passport shortly.

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it was so funny when i was arriving at dubai airport last year, the arab customs guy gave me a weird look because he knew i was coming from pakistan but when he saw my american passport he was so sweet to me lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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Haha.. forgot the best story. Guy I used to work with spent some time working for the company's branch in UAE and Qatar. He was in Sharjah and went with some other people to illegal street racing outside of the city. Someone tipped the cops about it. The cops came in and arrested all the desis who were there and told them they were taking part in illegal activities and endangering other people. Didn't even touch him since he was gora or the other Arabs. :D:D:D:D