Oh! look here! ALL authentic muslims scholars become kafir!

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Some of the respected members of the forum, 1) ** iqadeer **
2) ** extreme **
3) ** Dee Dee **
4) ** Asif **
5) ** hasnain **

Have stated that ** anyone who denies the finality of prophethood is a kafir **.

here is a long list of ** Kafirs **:

  1. ** Hadhrat Abu Abdullah Muhammadd bin Ali Hussain Al Hakam Tirmidhi: **

“How can the glory and superiority of Muhammad (saw) be manifested if we claim that he was the last in time to appear in the world? This is no doubt, an interpretation of the foolish and the ignorant.” (Kitab Khatamal Auliya p. 341) "

  1. ** Hadhrat Shah Waliullah Muhaddas of Delhi **:

“Muhammad (saw) was the last of the Prophets in the sense that there will appear no one after him to promulgate a new law for the people.”
(Tafheemat-i-Ilahiyya, pg. 53)

  1. ** Syed Abdul Qadir Jeelani stated: **

“The prophetic law is finished and completed with the Holy Prophet because he was the called Al Khatuman Nabiyyan.”
(Al-Insanul Kamil ch. 36)

  1. ** Maulana Abdul Haye of Lukhnow: **

“It is Not impossible that a new prophet may appear during or after the age of Muhammad but bringing of a new code of religion is an absolute impossiblity.” (Dafi-ul-Wasawis fee Asr ibn Abbas pg. 12)

  1. ** Hadhrat Sheik Ahmad Sirhindhi : **

" The attainment of high characteristics of prophethood by way of obiedience and inheritence after the coming of the Khatuman Nabiyyin is not against being Khatam." (Maktoobat Ima Rabbani pg. 432)

  1. ** hadhrat Sheikul Akbar Muhaiyud Din Ibn Arabi: **

“The prophethood which has ceased the Prophet of God (saw) is only the prophethood with law and not the status of prophethod. So there will be no other institute added to it. So Prophethood has not completly disappeared.”
(Futoohati Makkiyya vol.2 pgs. 3 and 64)

  1. ** Mullah Ali al Qari: **

“According to the Ulema the words La Nabiyya Badee mean that no prophet shall be raised who shall abrogate the Law of the Holy Prophet (saw)”
(Al Isha at Fi Ashraqatus Saat pg. 226)

  1. ** Maulana Rum :**

He was the Khatam because no one in generosity, Has ever been like him before nor shall ever be. When an artisan excels to the exellence in his craft, Do you not say to him that the craftmenship has now come to an end?"
(Mathnavi Maulana Rum ch. 6)

  1. ** Hadhrat Maulvi Abul Qasem Natovi **

“In the conception of the masses the Holy Prophet (saw) was Khatam in the sense that he came after all the other prophets and he was the last prophet of all. But it is evident that in the estimation of the wise no superiority whatever attaches to precedence in time or its reverse.”
(Tah-zirunnas, Saharanpur pg3)

  1. ** Our mother, hadhrat aisha sadiqua **

“Say that he is Al Khatuman Nabiyyan (the Seal of Prophets) but do not say he is the last of all Prophets.”
(Takmala Majma ul Bihar pg.188; and Manthur)

** Yeh sub KAFIR hain to baqi bacha kon hai jo musalmaan ho? ** All godfearing sunnis follow the above mentioned scholar and their explanation of the koran!

[This message has been edited by Roman (edited June 10, 1999).]

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La hawla wa la quwwatta illa billah.

1) these are misquotes and mistranslations of the originals (see below) 2) If you read these quotes with KNOWLEDGE and IMAAN you will have known that these are all superiors of TASSAWUF--they are talking ABOUT the spiritual stations of the awliya --and a wali is someone who is coloured in some of the prophetic attributes and states such as taqwa, truthfulness, wara, khushu, fear of Allah, roohaani taaqat etc.---not one of these people actually believed in that any person who comes after Rasool Allah can be a Prophet! Naudhubillah! What a slander! And all of the awliya get whatever spiritual states they have FROM the Messenger himself sal allahu alayhi wa sallam.
And not in ONE of these quotes are any of these people saying that Huzoor Pur Noor kay baad ko AUR Nabi aayega.

Yet you mirzais believe that your leader was a Nabi you do not say that he was a wali only; and he himself claimed to be a nabi not a wali--and many other kufrs which we all know about.

The only exception in your list was QAsim Nanotvi--and he was declared a kaafir by Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan in his famous fatwa Husaam al Haramain which was endorsed by over 30 of the leading scholars of Makkah and Madina in c .1901. And another person in that fatwa was your leader Mirza Qadiani mal'oon who was known as one of the 30 dajjals.

It is funny, people are trying to interpret statements about IHSAAN, and wilaayat which are the highest forms of walaayat. And the 'revelation' which mawlaana rumi rahmatullah alayhi and the others are talking of is ILHAAM not WAHI.

And all the Sunnis are agreed that ILHAAM is possible. It is one of the signs of wilaayat.
The book is actually Fihi ma Fihi by Mawlana and it is in Arabic; the arabic word is ilhaam which some one has wrongly translated as revelation.
You see you shouldn't quote books which are in Arabic and translated by kaafirs. If I hadn't read most of the books you quoted, you might have --astaghfirullah--caused doubts in others but alhamdulillah, Allah has saved us.

To the other Sunnis on here: see? that's why I say do NOT debate with these [trimmed] attributing lies to even the greatest Muslims of the past and present---as they themselves have no shame or imaan themselves.

eg the book al insaan al kaamil is a book about the spiritual attainments of the highest WALIS; and the MUSLIMS all agree that the highest wali is STILL much less in status than even the sahabi with the lowest rank (may Allah be pleased with them all), let alone the Prophets! Also it is actually by Hadrat Kareem al Jili and NOT by HUzoor Sayyedna Abdul Qadir al Jilaani.

All I can say is
laanat Allah alaa kadhdhibeen.

and ask you to refrain from believing these on anything they say about anything.

This post of his is a good example of why.

[This message has been edited by Roman (edited June 11, 1999).]

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Dear Asif,
i have read all the above discussion deliverd by jewels and then yours.
in your reply, you kept on trying to say that
jewels had deceived the people by portraying
wrong ideas about their saying. as a matter of fact, you didn't unveil the part where he
deceived .evrerytime, i read your ideas, how
good they may be, i conclude that u only speak on what u cosider right with dearth of
solid reasoning and proovings. people won't be influenced if u continue to only reprimand people, right?
as for your argument regarding the arrival of a nabi in recent times, i agree with u to the extent that there would be no in future "with a new shariah". now the nabi's motive is only to spread the messege of hadhrat Mohammad(SAW) to all. please keep
in mind that nabuwat is a reward, not a lanat. and God is Gracious. he does't squeeze or end his rewards as it is his sunnah from day one. i yearn to kiss the feet of the one, God likes for nabuwat, not overlook him. so what is wrong if a nabi comes? there are still some other points which strikes one's rationality but i hope u will understand by now. matter is given about and logic is here.
God bless you.

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You're Pointless! :) The books that i mentioned above are available easily, and can be noted to claim whatever i have been claiming. That "khatam un nabiyeen" Does NOT stop non law bearing prophethood, as is revealed by the koranic verse:

And whoso obeys Allah and his Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed his blessings, viz: ** the Prophets ** , the Truthful, the Martyrs and the Righteous, and excellent companions are these.
( koran 4:70 )