Obligation of Hijab

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You said yourself that Allah has promised that He will preserve and protect the Quran. And yet this organization of submitters clearly believes that the Quran was NOT protected and preserved and for 1,400 years people had a Quran with FABRICATED verses, until your “messenger” came in 1974 and discovered a “math miracle” and when his miracle ultimately failed to make sense, he declared that 2 verses of the Quran do not fit his equation so they must be fake and he REMOVED those verses from the submitters’ version of the Quran

Allah says He revealed the Quran and He will preserve it…yet for over a thousand years you believe that He allowed for it to have remain tampered with, with FALSE verses?

Also no wonder your organization rejects the hadith, as your site states that in order to be a “submitter” you have to believe in God, in the Last Day and live a righteous life. It doesnt mention anything about believing in the Prophethood of Muhammad sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam, or believing he was the LAST Messenger [hence the need for your new savior Rashad Khalifa]. The organization doesnt even call itself ISLAM, doesnt even call its followers Muslims. So please dont try to confuse people here with your beliefs, when they might not be aware of the nature of your group

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Look MIss_Noland, i dont cover my head or hair and for a while even i used to say where in ISam does it say that woman should cover their hair. And like you i used to refute all the evidence that people on this forum have put forward. The bottom line is that we ARE meant 2 cover our hair but we r in denial so no matter what any1 says u will refuse to accept it. I was the same buti still dont wear a headscarf. So if we at least don't wear a headscarf it is best that we refrain from criticising those who do and worst still refrain from refuting the fact that Islam asks woman to cover their head.

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^^ well said tweetie_pie

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You are soooo misinformed. Of course, we believe in Prophet Muhammad, we just do not idolize him beside GOD. We do not put him beside GOD in our Shahada. Only the Hypocrites do that according to GOD (via Quran) in Sura 63:1-3.Quran Sura 63 ‘The Hypocrites’

[63:1-3] When the hypocrites come to you they say, “We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD.”* GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars. Under the guise of their apparent faith, they repel the people from the path of GOD. Miserable indeed is what they do. This is because** they believed**, then disbelieved. Hence, their minds are blocked; THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
As well, Submitters obey the many quranic verses commanding muslims NOT TO MAKE ANY DISTINCTIONS among ANY of GOD’s messengers whatsoever…yet you say we are committing ‘shirk’ by OBEYING GOD. What is wrong with your logic?! You spew out garbage about Submitters that is entirely inaccurate, just to repel people from the truth. Oh wait!..That is exactly what the above Quranic verses says you will do. Subhanna Allah! … ‘*Under the guise of their APPARENT faith (Islam), they REPEL the people from the PATH OF GOD (the Quran).’ *GOD has exposed you with HIS words, not Bukharis. You want people to disbelieve as you have disbelieve, so that you become equal.
Anybody who takes the time to USE their brain and verify the truth for themselves will learn very quickly that all the lies online about Submitters, and Rashad Khalifa are exactly that…Lies. For those who chose not to be herded like cattle to the slaughter, but rather, wish to seek the pure and absolute truth of Islam can find it at https://sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/. There is an FAQ’s sections that addresses the lies people (like on here) promote without knowledge.

For those who fight the truth, I can only promise you a painful retribution for disbelief and repelling from the path of GOD.

peace

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Look at all these (mostly) men and non-hijabis killing each other over “prove to me Quran says cover ur hair” when hijabis like me are chillin out, havin a great time :sheyn1:

what tweety said.

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submitj, YOU take out verses from Quran and expect others to follow? What a joke! Your so-called messenger was a rapist. A 70s hippie who couldn't control his nafs and raped a 16 year old girl. That's all there's to it. Stop falling for the trap.

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my thoughts exactly:phati:

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What evidence? You might want to explain how I am in denial. How does a headscarf help ward off lustful looks from men? What does it possibly do to maintain "modesty"? What's wrong with my definition of not having to cover hair but the rest of the body? I am not criticizing hijabis.

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Of course, I expect muslims to follow verses from the Quran.,..... it is from GOD. Clearly, you do not. Why else would you call the word of GOD 'a joke'. What a blasphemy you utter. Your hypocrisy has been exposed yet again.

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lol you ignored my post and then put words in my mouth and call it hypocrisy. while you sit there erasing the word of God from His book. your cult has been exposed since it's inception. Get in touch with reality.

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You are soooo misinformed. Of course, we believe in Prophet Muhammad
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Did you ever read my post? I never said you guys dont believe in Prophet Muhammad [sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam]. What I said what that on your site it lists the criteria to be a submitter, which are believing in One God, the Last Day and living a righteous life. It doesnt mention anything about the necessity of believing in the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad or that he was the last prophet -which you guys clearly donot believe, as you take Rashad Khalifa to be a prophet. It says anyone who believes in those things and follows that can be a submitter, be they Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist or whatever

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yet you say we are committing 'shirk' by OBEYING GOD. What is wrong with your logic?!
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Did you even read my post? Where did I say you or anyone else is committing shirk by obeying God? What is wrong with your reading?

I guess you didnt read my post, because you didnt mention anything about why would Allah reveal the Quran and say it in Himself that He will preserve and protect it, and then allow for fake verses to be inserted it in and remain there for 1,400 years

You can do whatever you like, say whatever you like and believe whatever you like. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is you coming and trying to make it appear as if the beliefs of your organization represent the true beliefs of Muslims and the teachings of Islam, which they clearly dont and any Muslim with an ounce of knowledge and understanding can see that in a second

The companions lived with Prophet Muhammad [sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam]. They learnt the teachings of Islam from his own mouth and witnessed his miracles with their own eyes. HOW could they have so easily come up with the idea to add two fake verses to the Quran, to "honour" him. Did they have no Love or Fear of Allah that you believe they would have done something so disastrous as this?

The only "evidence" that your group has that these two verses are fake are that they donot fit the math equation of Rashad Khalifa. Amazing that of all the companions who had memorized the Quran, who would have clearly noticed the addition of two fake verses, such a thing could have been allowed to take place and then virtually disappear out of any knowledge or record for 1,400 years until a man with a computer would come along to first discover a mathematical miracle of the Quran, and then upon further discovery that his equation isnt fully accurate, to announce that its because the problem is with the Quran, not the equation and can easily be resolved by removing two verses from the Quran! Amazing, just amazing

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Folks you'll be wasting time trying to argue with SUBMITMJ .... the person is astray and none can guide him except Allah SWT. SUBMITMJ never responds to things that prove him/her wrong or presents any evidence for anything he/she says. All his/her replies are cookie cutter starting with accusing the person being replied to and insulting any named scholar. He/she claims to be foloowing the Quran yet does not even have correct translation let alone tafsir of it. And yeah we all know what what cult he/she belongs to, one that has been condemned by every sane knowledgible muslim. When he/she replies to my post you'll see exactly what I have said is true, thats if the reply comes.

For those trying to learn about Islam and the Quran, please stay clear of SUMITMJ ... the person may not have vile intentions but is severely misguided. Only his/her types would say contrary to what I have said.

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Hey, if you think that people obeying the prophet by returning to the Word of GOD (Quran) for religious guidance is ‘a misguided cult’, than you should really ask yourself why Prophet Muhammad (according to the QUran, of course) will say about his people (muslims) on judgment day…[Quran 25:30] The messenger* said, “**My Lord, my people have deserted THIS Quran.” **Actually, better yet…You tell me what this verse means? Is it a ‘CLEAR’ verse or a multiple meaning verse? If you say it means anything other than exactly what it says, than you are abrogating the word of GOD with your opinion or a ‘scholars’ opinion. Why? To hold on to your traditions. Interesting, this is exactly how the Jewish scholars acted with Jesus when his disciples refuse to follow their ‘religious’ traditions. In fact, we all know how the hypocrites & disbelievers responded to Jesus. **(the Bible) Mark 7:6-13
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Jesus replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship GOD in vain; their teachings are MERELY HUMAN RULES. **’**You have LET GO OF THE COMMANDS OF GOD and are HOLDING ON TO HUMAN TRADITIONS.’ And he continued, "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of GOD IN ORDER TO OBSERVER YOUR OWN TRADITIONS! Thus, you nullify the word of GOD by your tradition that you have handed down.
Do you not see! The same thing has happened to Islam. You are upholding man-made teachings (hadith & Sunnah) falsely attributed to the Prophet Muhammad against his will. The Jews did this with the Talmud. The christians with the Trinity Doctrine, and now, the muslims with hadith & sunnah. It is the exact same thing! Yet, you are treating anybody who says ‘follow what GOD has given you (Quran)’ as ‘misguided people’ or enemies of GOD. The irony is paramount. You accuse the ones who trust the word of GOD as ‘misguided’, while you turn to Bukhari and the words of men OVER the word of GOD, and call yourselves ‘muslims’. You truly are blinded. For those who do not want to be blinded anymore, go to https://sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/

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Hijaab is an innovation??

Sorry but :omg:

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According to Quran…THE WORD OF GOD…yes it is.
According to Hadith & Sunnah…the words of MEN…no, it is not.

So, who are we to trust? GOD or Bukhari? I chose GOD. You do not.

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^ I don't trust some 1970s so-called messenger Rashad Khalifa the rapist that's for sure :)

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Teggy- Please close this thread as well. Cricketplaya continues to defame Rashad Khalifa who's supposedly a holy figure to his followers.

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cricketplaya: ^ I don't trust some 1970s so-called messenger Rashad Khalifa the rapist that's for sure :)
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^ and what about all the defaming u have done so far? Don't get me started. Close the thread is right.

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lolz at "Holy" figure. Sure this thread needs closing.

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Sure thing.

Thread closed at the request of OP.