Obama shows no faith in PPP/ANP/MQM Govt, optimistic about Pak Army (threads merged)

It’s obvious this unholy alliance of PPP/ANP/MQM under Great Zardari enjoys absolutely NO public support, but looks like its under fire from outside too :hehe:

Obama throws a ton of bricks on Zardari

By Shaheen Sehbai

WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama’s 100th day prime TV time press conference on Wednesday night has created a grossly uneven playing field for President Asif Ali Zardari’s upcoming visit to Washington, as the candid and frank, almost brutal, observations of** Obama have cut Zardari to a very small size besides giving the Pakistan Army much more importance than the Pakistani leadership would like to hear.**

Likewise, the US president has also revealed some fundamental shifts in Pakistan’s India policy and the thinking of the Pakistan Army vis-a-vis India. Such a shift, willingly or unknowingly, has not yet been remotely reflected in the policies or statements of the civilian leadership of Pakistan. Obama’s assertion that the Pakistani civilian government was very fragile, without any capacity to deliver almost anything of consequence, was made in the same breath when he made several statements showing a superb degree of confidence in the Pakistan Army. It dug deep into the credibility and future of the civilian set-up, specially the fate of Zardari himself, who everyone in Washington knows, has been running Pakistan as a one-man show. So the criticism hits the Pakistani president right where it hurts.

These statements, as the US political system works, were not off-the-cuff remarks by a man thinking on his legs. Although, he was answering a question on Pakistan, Obama had come fully prepared to answer any question about the US policy on Pakistan and his 10-point statement was the ultimate crux of the numerous official briefings and position papers, which the US president has been receiving from dozens of national security, Defence Department, Pentagon, US Army and State Department officials and experts, besides the very knowledgeable scholars in Washington and US think tanks.

The 10-points of Obama’s statement were couched in these crisp and sharp words:

  • I’m confident that we can make sure that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is secure. Primarily, initially, because the Pakistani Army recognizes the hazards of those weapons falling into the wrong hands.

*** I am gravely concerned about the situation in Pakistan, not because I think that they are immediately going to be overrun and the Taliban would take over in Pakistan.**

  • I’m more concerned that the civilian government there right now is very fragile and don’t seem to have the capacity to deliver basic services: schools, healthcare, rule of law, a judicial system that works for the majority of the people.

  • As a consequence, it is very difficult for them (the government) to gain the support and the loyalty of their people.

  • We need to help Pakistan, help Pakistanis.

  • There is a recognition increasingly on the part of both the civilian government and the Army that this is their biggest weakness.

  • On the military side, we are starting to see some recognition, just in the last few days, that the obsession with India as the mortal threat to Pakistan has been misguided and their biggest threat right now comes internally.

  • Pakistani military is taking much more seriously the armed threat from militant extremists.

  • We want to continue to encourage Pakistan to move in that direction. And we will provide them all of the cooperation that we can. We want to respect their sovereignty, but we also recognise that we have huge strategic interests, huge national security interests in making sure that Pakistan is stable and that you don’t end up having a nuclear-armed militant state.

  • I feel confident that that nuclear arsenal will remain out of militant hands.

Each of these points, when analysed, hits deep at the root of the legitimacy, competence and future of the civilian set-up in Pakistan and reflects the broader thinking in Washington that the Army probably is a better option, given the top priority Pakistan is now receiving.

For instance, he said, the nuclear arsenal was safe because ìthe Pakistani Army recognizes the hazards of those weapons falling into the wrong hands.î

His expression of total no confidence in the civilian ability to deliver almost anything, not even as basic things as education, health and justice, was in fact an indictment that would be very hard for President Zardari to explain when he meets him at the Oval Office next week.

But to add insult to injury, Obama went on to say that ìit was very difficult for the government to gain support and loyalty of their people.î These words are shocking as they show that the US president was unwilling to accept the mandate which the PPP government claims to have on the basis of the Feb 18 elections.

He then went on to say the US needs to help Pakistan, and help Pakistanis, not the government, in other words.

It was also his view that even the civilian government and the Army have recognised that this perceived incompetence was ìtheir biggest weaknessî. By clubbing the Army and civilians on this point, Obama revealed what the Army leadership may have been privately saying to the US generals who have been visiting Pakistan feverishly in recent days.

Obama’s biggest breaking news was his observation that in the last few days, the Pakistan military had started looking at India not as the enemy number one. He saw ìsome recognition that the obsession with India as the mortal threat to Pakistan has been misguided and their biggest threat right now comes internally. Pakistani military is taking much more seriously the armed threat from militant extremists.î

These words mean that the Pakistani military leaders have been speaking up their mind much more openly with the Americans than the people or leaders of Pakistan. Within Pakistan, there is yet no word that the Army has been misguided in its thinking that India was not a mortal threat.

If there have been some secret understandings and assurances given by the US generals to their Pakistani counterparts, then the Pakistanis, their parliament, the prime minister or the president have either not been taken into confidence, or if the leaders are on board, someone is playing big games with the people behind their backs.

The people of Pakistan have not yet been told that India is no longer an enemy and the eastern borders are safe. If this is so, has there been any pullout of the Army away from that border, or will there be in the coming days. No one knows yet. But Obama certainly does because he has hinted at the basic shift in Pakistan’s foreign policy. Or may be there have been assurances given to him on that count.

And all that, according to the US president, has been done by the Pakistan military, not the government of President Asif Zardari. Lastly, the US president made it absolutely clear that stability in Pakistan was one of the biggest national security and strategic interests of America and this statement simply means that the US will protect this interest, come what may.

By implication, this also means that if Washington had to support a non-democratic, though stable government in Pakistan, it may be prepared to do so. This was not uttered by Obama in exactly these words, but reading into what he says means exactly the same. No one may, however, publicly admit this at this stage.

Diplomatic observers are unanimous in the view that just a few days before Obama meets Zardari for the first time, coming out with such brutally frank words about his administration is an ominous sign — Obama would like to see the back of Zardari and would welcome a political change in Pakistan.

But one consequence of this tough talking could be that the Pakistan Army would come out of its self-imposed seclusion and would assert itself more dominantly in critical Pakistani decision-making processes.

Some analysts, however, believe that if Zardari assures the US president that he would allow this to happen and would stop his one-man rule, he may be given the chance to continue. But for Zardari to keep smiling like he always does will then be a great challenge.

And for all those on whom Zardari depends for his US policy, either in Washington or in Islamabad, it is time to pack up and go home. It is absolutely certain that they would never have told the president of Pakistan that the president of the United States was about to throw a ton of bricks on our president’s head, just days before meeting him. Maybe even they had no clue he would.

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Spock,

Why laugh at this?

Let's face it even if Nawaz Sharif was PM, we will still have the same issue.

The GHQ controls our fates whether our President has a "General" attached to his name or not.

US statements are an indictment of our GHQ more than Zardari or any political party. They have just realized that the democracy push in Pakistan will not work as long as Generals believe they can do anything behind the scenes.

If you have access to newspapers from the summer of 1999 go read them and see that the Bill Clinton government made the same noises about Nawaz Sharif and his "weak" or "corrupt" or "inept" civilian government and how the army and the "professional" Gen. Musharraf is the only hope for Pakistan.

Tell us all - Do you want a repeat of Musharraf days?

Re: Obama shows no faith in PPP/ANP/MQM Govt, optimistic about Pak Army

We have Zardari as president exactly because of lack of political support he has and the military can easily blackmail/toy him. In a parliamentary system like ours, the prime ministers is supposed to be the chief executive but right now everything goes to the president.

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kakabilli,

Even if Zardari was not President and some non-controversial guy was at top, will our GHQ still allow any civilian leader to change policies that our Generals don't approve?

Swat was allowed to fall by GHQ, not ANP or PPP. When locals formed Lashkars to fight Taliban, GHQ withdrew military support and all anti-Taliban maliks were slaughtered like goats.

Do you think even if PML(N) had 2/3 majority and Nawaz Sharif ordered Gen. Kayani to eliminate Taliban sanctuaries, it will happen?

We have a f-ed up system and GHQ still holds all power. Only difference between Musharraf and Kayani is that Kayani is smarter and knows that holding power overtly will make army image worse. So he is using the "agencies" to get his agenda done and cleverly using the Zardari-Gillani split to put blame on civilian leadership.

The way things are going, it will only take a few more suicide attacks in Punjab and our people will soon hear "farishtay" calling for military to overthrow the government.

Re: Obama shows no faith in PPP/ANP/MQM Govt, optimistic about Pak Army

Respect comes to those who have a solid reputation and a strong integrity ... in our case , God help us coz unfortunately none of our leaders are worth the respect , their bad reputation preceeds their power and they have no integrity what so ever !

So I aint surprised why the world looks down upon us !

I read this article yesterday but i don’t feel like sharing it. It doesn’t matter the PPP/ANP/MQM alliance is holy or not holy. Isn’t not a good thing for Pakistan, when regional parties like MQM & ANP are playing at national levels it will only strength the democracy, and the institutions.

As far as Army concerned, it’s been less then a year, and people are crying about their return. We people of Pakistan should not gave any importance to any army rule or role in the politics. Their work is on securing the borders or contaminating the taliban virus. Lets forget the past, and lets support the elected politicans apart from our differences on either they are ganaj or mr.10 or cartoon or diesel.

Ps. Where you been.. i missed you so much :frowning:

Re: Obama shows no faith in PPP/ANP/MQM Govt, optimistic about Pak Army

whoa...are we becoming pro army and anti democracy!!!! ;)

^ Firstly who is 'we', unless you think you are uncle Sam.

Secondly, having a crook brought in through the NRO, bypassing the legislative bar from holding office and making him the president with powers to dismiss the assembly is something only an idiot would refer to as democracy.

A good thing only in your mind. MQM is a rubbish party with a rubbish agenda, but then again ANP is also to be viewed with skepticism based on its past and the ideologies of its late kingpin.

Can you back that up with solid proof? And dont say that again unless you can back it up.

So where did I say the military should rule? I see your comprehension problems have doubled.

Yeah, as long as they are the ones coming through hooks and crooks, and the NRO and are the ones you like i.e. MQM friendly :hehe: But wait, we cant have the PML[N] run a Govt in Punjab right? even though they are elected.

chanda, it was directed to US administration view.
but you are right, president has too much power, lets have the assemblies who are elected by people change that. they are law makers aren't they?

Last few days eh ...... Daer aye durust aye .... :)

Beta jee, the US administration (uncle bush and co) that loved Musharraf so much, and the one that supported this sham democracy in the form of Zardari in the helm is no longer in power. This new administration refers to dictators as dictators, and have spoken the truth, i.e. Zardari being unpopular and not what the people need.

Zardari is a continuation of Musharraf's illicit regime. Mush made a deal (NRO) and put Zardari incharge.

The elections were not fair , Mush didn't allow Nawaz shareef to come to Pakistan and run his election compaign untill two days before the elections.

PPP and all other parties had two months to run election compaign

and Nawaz shareef was restricted to participate and was allowed in the last moment ( 2 days before elections)

The elections were not fair.

Coming back to MQM, MQM is a growing cancer and it needs to be operated upon!

Re: Obama shows no faith in PPP/ANP/MQM Govt, optimistic about Pak Army

Do you know what they mean from F Pak?
Allah na karay but it is indian slogan finish Pakistan.

Re: Obama shows no faith in PPP/ANP/MQM Govt, optimistic about Pak Army

^ Care to elaborate?

President Obama has given ‘an F minus to the Pakistani leader’.

Is this a warning bell for another martialaw? Pakistan perhaps will not sustain another military take over which will be very tragic. Hope political leaders should realize this and take a leading position. Zardari has to hand over power to some strong personality and sit back to organize his party rather than taking such kind of whipping from Uncle Sam.

DAWN.COM | World | US sends confusing signals to Pakistan

**But while the Pakistani diplomats were learning this good news from US officials, President Obama shared a candid and frank assessment of the current Pakistani rulers during a news conference on Wednesday night.

‘The civilian government there right now is very fragile and don’t seem to have the capacity to deliver basic services: schools, healthcare, rule of law, a judicial system that works for the majority of the people,’ he said.

‘As a consequence, it is very difficult for them to gain the support and the loyalty of their people,’ he said, summarily dismissing the government’s claim to a popular mandate.

Fox News reported on Thursday that Commander US Central Command Gen David Petraeus has told US officials the next two weeks were ‘critical to determining whether the Pakistani government will survive.’

Fox News also reported that Gen. Petraeus and senior administration officials believed the Pakistan Army was ‘superior’ to the civilian government.

Mr Obama also said that he believed that the Pakistani military, and not the civilian administration, was capable of protecting the country’s nuclear weapons because it ‘recognizes the hazards of those weapons falling into the wrong hands.’

Earlier, US Undersecretary of Defence for Policy Michele Flournoy told US lawmakers that the civilians and political leaders in Pakistan were unable to confront the extremists because they ‘feared violent retaliation’ if they openly opposed them.

Some analysts say that the US administration was sending signals to the Pakistani military that Washington would not oppose any unexpected action against the civilian governments.**

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He must be feeling generous when he gave an F. on a separate note, how ironic it is for Zardari! in 1st few months, no one questioned this NRO and case withdrawals OR his ability to run country as party leader or the president. Infact most of the people were talking about how "good" the coalition (PPP & PML courtship) was for dealing with Mushy & Co. And then MQM comes in the picture, and suddenly everyone starts remembering Zardari's past! :D And now, when the "demands" are met, main players seems to start forgeting NRO and all his bad deeds in past.

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^ Oh come on, even before Zardari became prez people were chanting out against the NRO. But then again, Zardari did waste Musharraf like a used rubber, which is just about the only decent thing hes done. Looks like now its time for Zardari to say good bye as hes fallen short and Nawaz seems to be getting alot of attention from the white house again. Now I hope PMLN sticks to its principles and keeps the MQM out of power and makes them sit in the opposition.

Re: Obama shows no faith in PPP/ANP/MQM Govt, optimistic about Pak Army (threads merg

Spock

Zardari's days are numbered. He knew it from day-1 and it is an open secret that he spends 2-3 days every week in Dubai, where he has meetings with US officials outside of ISI monitoring.

Question is - do we want him to be overthrown just like Nawaz Sharif was treated in 1999 and pretty much like every past civilian ruler has been discarded?

Even Nawaz knows that playing games with military and US is not wise and that is why he is not pushing for overthrow.

Agreed 100%. It is better for the country to continue this democratic setup how weak it is. Let PPP coalition government complete its 5 years term.

Let the people decide who should rule them rather than another military take over. One thing should be cleared in Paki minds that Uncle Sam only concern is nuclear advantage of Pakistan and some how he is bent on to take out that advantage from Pakistan. Pakistanis will never allow this and hope that presnet Zardari led government will complete its tenure. Yousaf Reza Gilani is the best option for PM at present and NS never comes near to him due to his past misadventures and corruption.