Obama Headed For Decisive Victory/Obama Takes it!! [Merged]

McCain promised more, infact lowering the progressive tax on the high end tax bracket corps.

The point is, How is obama fighting for middle class, when he was a PRIME mover towards the 700 billion dollar bail out? And on top, runs finances on corporate investments?

that is new piece of information to me, just look at the system individuals cant but corporations can, deliberately putting politics in their hands.

a successful change is always gradual and comes from within if somebody thinks it would happen in a year or two i am sorry it wont, i would be surprised if he is able to do that without breaking things a part.

do you remember what happened when clintons tried to reform your healthcare couldnt do that.

smart things would be to do it gradually.

as for israel , i mean our problem is not israel but we ourselves, if these cant face a tiny nation then shame on us.

for me israel is a symbol of hope and bravery despite all of their wrong doings they had managed to do alot good for themselves, they became a country in 1948 and look at them now.

friends we cant be something with kings and queens, frankly speaking our societies are corrupt or they dont react.

dont tell me we cant do something we can.

pakistans problem is not in system but in people.
a corrupt society creates corrupt leaders.

bring in heaven here and i can assure you we would make it worse than hell.

haramkhori has taken roots into our culture, dont think its at the top but bottom is worse as well i know because my business involves daily wages labour as well.

when in constituency every one wants to have a government job, and there are two to offer what do you think can those people join hands to discuss other issues like sewerage, developmentetc no. all of them would try to be first in line and till the end of term of govt would have one thing in mind get a job for my son.

what would a society produce where parents encourage their kids to opt for other means in exams.
what are businesses suppose to do with those graduates.

what would a society produce where people expect more than what they deserve, and many get as well and noone reacts but admires what a intelligent guy he is.

what would a society produce when their young are in homes waiting for a suitable job based on their standards and their parents dont push them to start with what they have.

what a society would do when they expect a mehdi or some sort of leader to take them somewhere while they are sitting lame.
why do they forget what israelis did to moses, was moses able to help them.

lets take an example of india why they are ahead of us.
i see one main point, they somehow learned to be happy with what they have because they have no choice there is no chacha , mama or mamay ka dost sitting high.

why we failed after ayub era.
i am no supporter of ayub, but we did get ahead of everyone in asia during 60s -70s pakistan was a shining example, india used to be referred as hindu growth rate and pakistan was a star.
why did we fail?
because of bhuttos nationalisation? partly but no.
because we were unable to sustain it, benefits of growth never translated for poor.
bhutto came he did nationalisation wah wah was every where what happened.
everything fell a part why socialism failed, there was no one at the end to support it.

i am firm beliver in pakistan and it has a future, just waiting for people to say enough is enough as yet they are saying but not acting because they are expecting a mehdi, a saviour, a leader.

let them use all the options they have when they are done then they would start thinking out of their box till then let us suffer because we deserve it

I hope i would be able to see my little kids grown up in prosperous and law abiding pakistan.

That is BANG ON. So many Pakistanis are mad quick to judge America for butting into Pakistan's business and use Musharraf like a puppet.. but what about BEFORE Americans or their war was even in the picture? The government of Pakistan has never been honest or worked hard for the betterment of people.. now with America in the picture, they just need a scapegoat and not take any guilt.

Re: Obama Takes It!!!

Supporting the airstrikes and raids which have killed innocents will not help anyone. That is why Pakistanis are angry at Obama, though I'm sure McCain would be much worse for Pakistan.

Yes there are bad people in Pakistan, but we need to be balanced in looking at the situation. There are many bad people in the US also. Those soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq are committing crimes upon crimes against innocent people daily. These politicians support what is going on. As a matter of fact, Obama wants to move all the troops stationed in Iraq to Afghanistan. He also wants free reign of US troops in Northern Pakistan, and he is willing to lower military funding to Pakistani army to weaken them for this purpose.

We need to see all sides of the issue. By blaming ourselves, it doesnt help anyone.

problem is in us that is why we need others.

what obama does to pakistan is non issue for me, i like the guy (i like how he managed to reach top through sheer hardwork and atleast for next 30 days i am gonna be fully energised) issue is whether we are able to face the challenge or not, if not then its the matter of time if not today then tomorrow somebody else would come to hurt us.

we are such a casual/begging culutre look all around media no body is talking about how this guy came to the top from bottom so that it may be inspiration to others but what they are discussing whether he would be good for pakistan or not.

we had been doing this since last sixty years.

frankly i am not blaming because i dont wish to waste my time, reason i am writing that because i know we can do alot and we have everything this is God Gifted Land but somehow we are unable to excel , that is worst than being dirt poor.

Unfortunately, companies dont consider a man who about a month or two ago said that the fundamentals of the economy were strong, and also stating he doesn't 'quite' understand economics. If I owned a billion dollar company, I'd support Obama too, its obvious.

Nope, I am not, ofcourse. Obviously there are donations which violated the limit, and some of them were flagged and returned and I am sure things of that sort happened in the Mccain camp too.

I know plenty of people who donated small amounts, including hand to mouth college students.

You didnt know about this limit before?

As for your concern, compare the number of individuals as opposed to corporations, it’ll all make sense.

I dont know if thats all directed to me or not? I dont think I mentioned Israel anywhere either.

Re: Obama Takes It!!!

According to US newspapers, US troops kill 35 innocent Pakistani villagers a month beginning with the first raid this year.

These are 35 innocent people like you or me, and God knows how many they kill in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention all those innocents rotting in their prison camps.

The fact is that these injustices must come to an end. If Obama wishes to earn the truth of Pakistan, he should behave with dignity and respect for Pakistan has been a US ally since the days of the Soviets, even while India was supporting the Communists. Look now, they have blacklisted our nuclear energy program, made us embarrass Dr. AQ Khan (the msot patriotic Pakistani in the history of Pakistan), and now they are fully supporting spineless Zardari in office right now.

Our biggest mistake was to be an ally of US, because US has proven, in many circumstances, to be a treacherous nation. Look at what they did to their best friend Saddam Hussein, and look at how they ruined Afghanistan.

Truth is truth, and no amount of looking the other way will change it. Obama is a man in the pockets of US corporations and the Zionist lobby. Their interests are the destabilization of EACH and EVERY Muslim country in the world. Pakistan is a victim of these policies.

We can only pray that pakistan wakes up to the trouble that it si in. Ya Allah, Pakistan ko kamiyab banay. Khuda dey bande, khawf kar.

The lady from Google who gave money to Obama, Sonal Shah is part of the transition team. She will be the advisor to Obama. Sonal Shah was in charge of Special Projects in Google.

An Obama Presidency - More of the Same only Worse

“I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those who do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice, and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the system of exploitation.** I believe that there will be that kind of clash, but I don’t think it will be based on the color of the skin**…”** - **Malcolm X

Aan Obama Presidency***** : Information Clearing House - ICH](http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21159.htm)

Good read for Americans. Just draws up the general picture of what’s to come with an Obama presidency. Nothing will change, it will only get worse… Malcolm X said it best, exploitation will continue and skin color won’t matter. Welcome your new President, Barack Hussein Obama.

Dunno you supported BO or JM. But this article is surely a piece of socialist crap. No need to sound so "conspiratorial" about BO's war stance. He has always said that he can find better war compared to JM by pulling troops out of Iraq and deploying them in Afghanistan.

He has threatened Pakistan with attacks (well what else is new for democrats). So anyone thinking that they have elected Mahatma Gandhi on Nov 3 must be drinking some strange (to say the least) cola.

BO will surely change the policies for American financial scene and that probably is the main hope of all those who voted for him.

So calm down and take a deep breath. OK.

Re: An Obama Presidency - More of the Same only Worse

I, as an outsider, didn't support neither of these neocons. If I had a vote, I would of voted Ron Paul, his policies are the closest to real freedom. BO/JM may have different views but once any one of them get into that white house, it's out with the sugar coated stuff and get to the real deal, which is to keep on sucking the blood of the average American and the poor Afghans, Iraqis, and on and on...........

The "American financial scene" - it's called a recession...

Whenever a call for freedom is heard, it's called "socialist crap".. If you hate socialism so much then go live in Antarctica buddy, cuz socialism exists in America. Next time you have an emergency God forbid, don't call the cops, cuz it's just bunch of socialist "crap".

Who believes Obama will bring change?

How many of you Guppies actually believe Obama will bring change and how? I will post my views after a bit...but what do others feel...

Re: An Obama Presidency - More of the Same only Worse

Actually no.

Hillary and McCain required proof of US citizenship among other things on their internet donation sites. The Obama campaign knowingly neglected to implement even the most basic security measures. Which is why people were able to donate millions to his campaign under fake names.