Re: O sane people of Gupistan
For sane Pakistaniz only :) aint ya asking here for much mate?
Re: O sane people of Gupistan
Laeeq bhai
Allah SWT knows.
Bhai, the emboldened statement of yours is a testimony in itself about the state of mind of Pakistani people. If they get alienated when people who blow themselves up and hijack Islam then it pretty much implies they support it.
Bhai, there is no such thing as sincerity by itself, it needs to be attached to a cause or agenda or goal. What cause were they sincere to? Maybe you can explain this. Don’t say they were sincere to Islam. Such blanket statement do not mean anything because 95% of Pakistans population is muslim. The Taliban were successful in bringing about a revolution in Afghanistan (for however long it lasted) because they really had nothing to begin with, it was a jungle out there, no law no society. Pakistan is a well developed state not a tribal run society or spanse of land. Pakistan has institution for everything and it is the states responsibility to affect changes. It is the peoples responsibility to voice concerns over what they want to change.
What is the point you are trying to make here?
So in your opinion the government action was wrong but lets hear the alternative, what should have been done. Don’t say talks should have been held because they were. Explain on what grounds and reaons should they have been given amnesty?
Re: O sane people of Gupistan
Laeeq jee, your an emotional guy, but you have a point… Still, only time will tell if what happened was good or bad… This may have many negative repercusions in the short term, but no one knows the outcome of this on the long term… Zia’s policies took years to bear their noxious fruit in the form of militancy, and Pakistans general policy of appeasing religous groups is here for all to see… Compare todays Pakistan to the Pakistan of old. My take on this is that however the govt did it, this will have a good long term impact in that it will slow the spread of the feard “talibanization.”
How many times have liberals been allienated? Yes the religous conservatives have been alienated, but we have fifty years of history to show that Pakistan has bent over backwards to appease the conservatives. Where was the outcry when liberals were sidelined and alienated by conservative relgious groups? And it continues today! When Zia attacked liberals and intelectuals while promiting conservative and perhaps even retrogresive policies, who was their to say that they wouldnt allow their country to be ruled by conservatives? This to me seems like a long over due victory for liberal forces, and conservative religous groups will have to understand that Pakistan wasnt just created to suit their whims and their interpretations.
No one wanted bloodshed with the whole Lal Masjid thing, but however unfortunate, eventually it had to happen. This was a serious situation, not childs play. We all knew what was going to happen.
You have to admit that people will be emotional about everything thats been going on.. We have all seen what radical Religous people are capable of… They have destroyed all credibility! So you can understand when people are critical of the clergy…
Now lets move on amicably and hope for the best.
Re: O sane people of Gupistan
Hold it right there busters. I am in too good a mood to hand out warnings today. Don’t force my hand on this.
Vedic and Laeeq, thats for both of you 
Re: O sane people of Gupistan
The funny thing is, i think 90% of those being killed in suicide bombings opposed Lal Mosque operation.
Re: O sane people of Gupistan
Yes you are exactly right. I value the brave students of jamia hafsa, they gave up their lives for shariah. Though their was not right but what they said, i salute them for that. i am not hiding anything, i am outraged at their treatment by the butcher mush. They could have been jailed, caught and corrected.
As i said, lal masjid should not have taken law into their hands. They should not have taken up arms. However, their demands are the voice of every true Pakistani - who know what Pakistan was created for. Yes for tehm i would say tehy were misguided, since their cause was very noble - and great indeed!!!
If they were misguided and they were wrong to harbour arms in a mosque, do you then agree that the govt was right to act against them, after pressing so long for a peaceful resolution?
btw you referred to suicide bombers a lot of whom have bombed policemen, foreigners, civilians, women amongst others as "misguided". that is the understatement of the century, its like saying a serial rapist is slightly disturbed.
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Yes mush is a traitor. He destroyed afghanistan - he was its cause. We lost a friendly neigbor that was of no threat to anyone. Now something that won't be able to digest , due to your differentw ay of thinking. Mush has gone against Pakistan's ideological foundations. In the name of moderation and enlightenment has has brought behayai into the country. He is bent upon supporting 'moderates'. He has started a useless debate of moderates vs extremists. He literally has divided Pakistan.
- He went against the constitution and is a dictator. That is treason! He is worst of the worst! [/QUOTE]
If the majority of Pakistanies do not bring your kind of people who would want to enforce your kind of ideological foundations back, then you have no basis to dictate to Pakistanies. If an election is held today, the religious parties would, as always, get a marginal segment of the total vote. So lets not make the segment that supports Lal Masjid type laws larger in number and significance than it is.
You can try to bring social change through religious tabligh, or get legislation passed that reflects your conservative outlook. if your political presence is too insignificant to do that then reflect on your own failure to convince the people, dont blame musharraf.
Re: O sane people of Gupistan
they were wrong govt was right to act against them? yes
do i resent them for the bloodshed their obstinacy led to? he11 yes
did govt take the best course of action available? he11 no
do i resent govt for unnecessary blood shed? certainly.
while some of those staying inside can have benefit of doubt govt has no such luxury.