O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 105:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

During the lifetime of the Prophet some people said, : O Allah’s Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet said, “Yes; do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun at midday when it is bright and there is no cloud in the sky?” They replied, “No.” He said, “Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a full moon night when it is bright and there is no cloud in the sky?” They replied, “No.” The Prophet said, "(Similarly) you will have no difficulty in seeing Allah on the Day of Resurrection as you have no difficulty in seeing either of them. On the Day of Resurrection, a call-maker will announce, “Let every nation follow that which they used to worship.” Then none of those who used to worship anything other than Allah like idols and other deities but will fall in Hell (Fire), till there will remain none but those who used to worship Allah, both those who were obedient (i.e. good) and those who were disobedient (i.e. bad) and the remaining party of the people of the Scripture. Then the Jews will be called upon and it will be said to them, ‘Who do you use to worship?’ They will say, ‘We used to worship Ezra, the son of Allah.’ It will be said to them, ‘You are liars, for Allah has never taken anyone as a wife or a son. What do you want now?’ They will say, ‘O our Lord! We are thirsty, so give us something to drink.’ They will be directed and addressed thus, ‘Will you drink,’ whereupon they will be gathered unto Hell (Fire) which will look like a mirage whose different sides will be destroying each other. Then they will fall into the Fire. Afterwards the Christians will be called upon and it will be said to them, ‘Who do you use to worship?’ They will say, ‘We used to worship Jesus, the son of Allah.’ It will be said to them, ‘You are liars, for Allah has never taken anyone as a wife or a son,’ Then it will be said to them, ‘What do you want?’ They will say what the former people have said. Then, when there remain (in the gathering) none but those who used to worship Allah (Alone, the real Lord of the Worlds) whether they were obedient or disobedient. Then (Allah) the Lord of the worlds will come to them in a shape nearest to the picture they had in their minds about Him. It will be said, ‘What are you waiting for?’ Every nation have followed what they used to worship.’ They will reply, ‘We left the people in the world when we were in great need of them and we did not take them as friends. Now we are waiting for our Lord Whom we used to worship.’ Allah will say, ‘I am your Lord.’ They will say twice or thrice, ‘We do not worship any besides Allah.’ "


“I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)”
(11:55-56)

Thanx once again

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*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir’aun!”
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By saying that you will "see Allah", you have limited him in time and space.

By using the sun as a similitude, you have compared the Almighty (swt) to His creation.

Our holy prophet (pbuh) and his masumeens (as) have conveyed to us that Allah (swt) can never be seen.

Whatever you imagine is not Allah (swt) since He (swt) is beyond comprehension.

ws

[This message has been edited by a1shah (edited September 26, 2001).]

Masha'Allaah, this hadeeth clearly shows that with Shirk (association of partners with Allaah), there will not even be an atoms weight of hope for salvation.

Jazaakillaah khairun.

Wassalaam


"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

Dear a1shah,

Firstly, we need to realise, these are not merely the words of a man on the street, but the words of the Messenger of Allaah - sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam. So if he says we shall see Allaah, then we will see Allaah insha'Allaah.

Secondly, i understand your valid and important point:

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By using the sun as a similitude, you have compared the Almighty (swt) to His creation.
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But the part of the hadeeth that states:

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The Prophet said, "(Similarly) you will have no difficulty in seeing Allah on the Day of Resurrection as you have no difficulty in seeing either of them.
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... does not imply any kind of similitude of the sun and the moon with Allaah, but rather a similitude with respect to the way we see things, and the clarity by which we see them. In this case the sun and the moon - we can clearly see the sun on a cloudless day, as we can clearly see the moon in a cloudless night. In this very way, our eyes will be able to adjust appropriately (by the will of Allaah) to see Allaah on the Day of Jugement.

And yes, it is true, as you pointed out the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said that given our human limitations in this world, we cannot see Allaah - it is simply too overwhelming for our eyes to bear. However, Allaah will give this ability to the Believers on the Day of Recompense, as another hadeeth has highlighted. This honour shall only be for the Believers, whereas the disbelievers shall only be able to hear Allaah.

... And Allaah knows Best.

&peace


"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

I cant worship A god I can imagine!

What humans can precive humans can become!!!!

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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
**I cant worship A god I can imagine!

What humans can precive humans can become!!!!**
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Prove it!

I see(perceive) sun everyday, does that mean somehow, someday I can become sun? Puhlesss!

I can feel hot and cold water, I can discern between cold and hot water, does that mean somehow phenomenally I will become, turn into cold or hot water? Puhlessss!

Your 'quote' sounds good and intelligent but it has no legs to stand on. It has no reality in it. Following superstition is only way of pre-islamic era.

Thanks for sharing that Sadia.


"I am not playing with a full deck!"

salam

this is a sermon by imam Ali

]About the Tawheed, the Oneness of Allah.

This sermon contains principles of knowledge which no other sermon contains.


He who assigns to Him (different) conditions does not believe in His oneness, nor does he who likens Him grasp His reality. He who illustrates Him does not signify Him. He who points at Him and imagines Him does not mean Him. Everything that is known through itself has been created, and everything that exists by virtue of other things is the effect (of a cause). He works but not with the help of instruments. He fixes measures but not with the activity of thinking. He is rich but not by acquisition.

Times do not keep company with Him, and implements do not help Him. His Being precedes times. His Existence precedes non-existence and His eternity precedes beginning. By His creating the senses it is known that He has no senses. By the contraries in various matters it is known that He has no contrary, and by the similarity between things it is known that there is nothing similar to Him. He has made light the contrary of darkness, brightness that of gloom, dryness that of moisture and heat that of cold. He produces affection among inimical things.

He fuses together diverse things, brings near remote things and separates things which are joined together. He is not confined by limits, nor counted by numbers. Material parts can surround things of their own kind, and organs can point out things similar to themselves. The word[1] "mundhu" (i.e. since) disproves their eternity, the word "qad" (that denotes nearness of time of occurrence), disproves their being from ever and the word "lawla" (if it were not) keep them remote from perfection.

Through them the Creator manifests Himself to the intelligence, and through them He is guarded from the sight of the eyes.

Stillness and motion do not occur in Him, and how can that thing occur in Him which He has Himself made to occur, and how can a thing revert to Him which He first created, and how can a thing appear in Him which He first brought to appearance. If it had not been so, His Self would have become subject to diversity, His Being would have become divisible (into parts), and His reality would have been prevented from being deemed Eternal. If there was a front to Him there would have been a rear also for Him . He would need completing only if shortage befell Him. In that case signs of the created would appear in Him, and He would become a sign (leading to other objects) instead of

signs leading to Him. Through the might of His abstention (from affectedness) He is far above being affected by things which effect others.

He is that which does not change or vanish. The process of setting does not behove Him. He has not begotten any one lest He be regarded as having been born. He has not been begotten otherwise He would be contained within limits. He is too High to have sons. He is too purified to contact women. Imagination cannot reach Him so as to assign Him quantity. Understanding cannot think of Him so as to give him shape. Senses do not perceive Him so as to feel Him. Hands cannot touch Him so as to rub against Him. He does not change into any condition. He does not pass from one state to another. Nights and days do not turn Him old. Light and darkness do not alter Him.

It cannot be said that He has a limit or extremity, or end or termination; nor do things control Him so as to raise Him or lower Him, nor does anything carry Him so as to bend Him or keep Him erect. He is not inside things nor outside them. He conveys news, but not with the tongue or voice. He listens, but not with the holes of the ears or the organs of hearing. He says, but does not utter words. He remembers, but does not memorise. He determines, but not by exercising His mind. He loves and approves without any sentimentality (of heart). He hates and feels angry without any painstaking. When He intends to create someone He says "Be" and there he is, but not through a voice that strikes (the ears) is that call heard. His speech is an act of His creation. His like never existed before this. If had been eternal it would have been the second god.

It cannot be said that He came into being after He had not been in existence because in that case the attributes of the created things would be assigned to Him and there would remain no difference between them and Him, and He would have no distinction over them. Thus, the Creator and the created would become equal and the initiator and the initiated would be on the same level. He created (the whole of) creation without any example made by someone else, and He did not secure the assistance of any one out of His creation for creating it.

He created the earth and suspended it without being busy, retained it without support, made it stand without legs, raised it without pillars, protected it against bendings and curvings and defended it against crumbling and splitting (into parts). He fixed mountains on it like stumps, solidified its rocks, caused its streams to flow and opened wide its valleys. Whatever He made did not suffer from any flow, and whatever He strengthened did not show any weakness.

He manifests Himself over the earth with His authority and greatness. He is aware of its inside through his knowledge and understanding. He has power over every thing in the earth by virtue of His sublimity and dignity. Nothing from the earth that he may ask for defies Him, nor does it oppose Him so as to overpower Him. No swift-footed creature can run away from Him so as to surpass Him. He is not needy towards any possessing person so that he should feed Him. All things bow to Him and are humble before His greatness. They cannot flee away from His authority to someone else in order to escape His benefit or His harm. There is no parallel for Him who may match Him and no one like Him so as to equal Him.

He will destroy the earth after its existence, till all that exists on it will become non-existent. But the extinction of the world after its creation is no stranger than its first formation and invention. How could it be? Even if all the animals of the earth, whether birds or beasts, stabled cattle or pasturing ones, of different origins and species, dull people and sagacious men -- all jointly try to create (even) a mosquito they are not able to bring it into being and do not understand what is the way to its creation. Their wits are bewildered and wandering. Their powers fall short and fail, and return disappointed and tired, knowing that they are defeated and admitting their inability to produce it, also realising that they are too weak (even) to destroy it.

Surely, after the extinction of the world, Allah the Glorified will remain alone with nothing else beside Him. He will be, after its extinction, as He was before its production: without time or place or moment or period. At this moment, period and time will not exist, and years and hours will disappear. There will be nothing except Allah, the One, the All-powerful. To Him is the return of all matters. Its initial creation was not in its power; and the prevention of its extinction was (also) not in its power. If it had the power to prevent it, it would have existed for ever. When He made anything of the world, the making of it did not cause Him any difficulty, and the creation of anything which He created and formed did not fatigue Him. He did not create it to heighten His authority nor for fear of loss or harm, nor to seek its help against an overwhelming foe, nor to guard against any avenging opponent with its help, nor for the extension of His domain by its help, nor for boasting (over largeness of His possession) against a partner, nor because He felt lonely and desired to seek its company.

Then after its creation He will destroy it, but not because any worry has overcome Him in its upkeep and administration, nor for any pleasure that will accrue to Him, nor for the cumbrousness of anything over Him. The length of its life does not weary Him so as to induce Him to its quick destruction. But Allah, the Glorified, has maintained it with His kindness, kept it intact with His command and perfected it with His power. Then after its destruction, He will resuscitate it, but not for any need of His own towards it, nor to seek the assistance of any of its things against it, nor to change over from the condition of loneliness to that of company, nor from the condition of ignorance and blindness to that of knowledge and search, nor from paucity and need towards needlessness and plenty, nor from disgrace and lowliness towards honour and prestige.

Salam
*Can Allah be seen? *
He, the Most Exalted, the Most High, has told that When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, he said: "Lord! Show (Yourself) to me so that I may look upon You." Allah said: "By no means can you see Me; but look at the mountain; if it abides in its place, then shall you see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory to the mountain, He made it like dust, and Moses fell in a swoon. When he recovered his senses, he said: "Glory to You! To You do I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (Qura'n, 7:143).

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Originally posted by Hasnain:
***Dear a1shah*,

Firstly, we need to realise, these are not merely the words of a man on the street, but the words of the Messenger of Allaah - sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam. So if he says we shall see Allaah, then we will see Allaah insha'Allaah.**
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This depend on how autenitc the hadith is and how trustworthy the narrator is. As a muslim we hold quran as the most perfect auntentic, but when it coems ot haddiht there might be falshood init since its nto protected by Allah like Quran form falshood. We give prefeernce to quran over hadith.

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And yes, it is true, as you pointed out the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said that given our human limitations in this world, we cannot see Allaah - it is simply too overwhelming for our eyes to bear. However, Allaah will give this ability to the Believers on the Day of Recompense, as another hadeeth has highlighted. This honour shall only be for the Believers, whereas the disbelievers shall only be able to hear Allaah.

... And Allaah knows Best.**
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if Mosa who was a prophet as well as believer who was not able to c Allah how a normal beliver will be able to c Allah?

My dear iqra,

You just have to look at the book this hadeeth was extracted from to confirm its authenticity. By 'Ijmaa (consensus) all the scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jam'aah are in firm agreement that all the ahadeeth of Sahih Bukhari are authentic.

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if Mosa who was a prophet as well as believer who was not able to c Allah how a normal beliver will be able to c Allah?
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As i said, Allaah, through His Infinite Mercy will allow the Believers to see Him on the Day of Recompense Insha'Allaah.

Oh, and incidently, may i please ask the purpose of '786' at the end of your nick? It's just that it's not the first time i've seen it around.

kind regards


"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

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Originally posted by Hasnain:
My dear **iqra,

You just have to look at the book this hadeeth was extracted from to confirm its authenticity. By 'Ijmaa (consensus) all the scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jam'aah are in firm agreement that all the ahadeeth of Sahih Bukhari are authentic.

As i said, Allaah, through His Infinite Mercy will allow the Believers to see Him on the Day of Recompense Insha'Allaah.

Oh, and incidently, may i please ask the purpose of '786' at the end of your nick? It's just that it's not the first time i've seen it around.

kind regards


"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

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Its great to see that you believe in the authencity of Sahi Bukhari!
So what do you say about the hadith in Sahi that states some Sahabas will be punished on the day of judgement because of the deeds they performed after the departure of the holy Prophet? Who would these Sahabas be? And what did they do after Prophet left the world?

Another one i would like to discuss particularly is the one when "the seconed Khalifa" told Rasool to stop talking since he was talking Haziyaan or foolish!
This was incident just before hazoor passed away.

I can provide you references if necessary.

Remmember, these hadiths got to be right. Since they come from Sahi.

[This message has been edited by Pagluu (edited September 26, 2001).]

To make it a little easier.

The hadith of the Competition of the World

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said:

I lead you and am your witness, and by Allah I now look at my pool and have been given the keys to the treasures of the earth [for the earth's keys], and by Allah I am not worried that you become polythiest after me, but I am worried that you will compete for it"

*Sahih, Bukhari, vol 4 p 100-101 *

The hadith of the Pool

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: As I was standing, there came a group of people whom I recognized, and a man stood between the group and myself, then said: "Let us go." I said, "Where to?" He said, "To Hell, by Allah!" I asked, "What have they done?" He answered, "They turned back after you had departed, and I expect only a few will reach salvation."

*Sahih, Bukhari, vol 4 p 94-99, 156, vol 3 p 32
Sahih, Muslim, vol 7 p 66 *

The Companions and the Raziyat Yawm al Khamis
(The Calamity of Thursday)

The Companions were meeting in the Messenger's house, three days before he died. He ordered them to bring him a bone and an ink pot so that he could write a statement for them which would prevent them from straying from the right path, but the Companions differed among themselves, and some of them disobeyed the Prophet and accused him of talking nonsense. The Messenger of Allah became very angry and ordered them out of his house without issuing any statement.

This is the story in some details:

Ibn Abbas said: Thursday, and what a Thursday that was! The Messenger's pain became very severe, and he said, "Come here, I will write you a document which will prevent you from straying from the right path." But Umar said that the Prophet was under the spell of the pain, and that they had the Qur'an which was sufficient being the Book of Allah. People then differed and quarrelled amongst themselves, some of them agreeing with what the Prophet said, while others supported Umar's view. When the debate became heated and the noise became louder, the Messenger of Allah said to them, "Leave me alone."

Ibn Abbas said: The disaster was that the disagreement among the Companions prevented the Messenger from writing that document for them

Sahih, Bukhari, Chapter: About the saying of the sick, vol 2
Sahih, Muslim, End of the book of al Wasiyyah, vol 5 p 75

Musnad, Ahmed, vol 1 p 335, vol 5 p 116
Tarikh, Tabari, vol 3 p 193
Tarikh, Ibn al Athir, vol 2 p 320

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Allaahu must'aan!

As musch as i hate debating and try to keep my paws clean from it, i have been led into one. Subhaan'Allaah! May Allaah forgive me.

And i can see from the tone with which the questioner has asked, that it may turn into something unpleasant ... and Allaah knows best. And May He - the Most High - guide us all to the truth, as He guided His Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and his beloved Companions (radhi'Allaahu unhum).

*dear Pagluu *

Before i continue, please don't think it disrespectful of me in any way, but may i ask two questions?

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&peace

"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."

[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited September 26, 2001).]

Hasnain,

Stick to the topic at hand.

Aghh!
I missed them

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Brother Hasnain;

Thank you for sharing yr understanding of this hadith.

Leaving aside the authenticity of this hadith for the moment, whether one uses the sun itself or the seeing of the sun as a similitude, one has then set a limit on Allah's (swt) greatness.

Imam Ali's (as) speech posted by a brother earlier clearly shows the might of the Almighty (swt). By saying that powers would be granted at the day of judgement to mere mortals that would enable us to see Allah (swt), the Master of all creations and the Lord of the Worlds, has by its nature given divinity to a created being to limit the Majesty of Allah (swt).

Though Allah (swt) has power over all things, there are things which Allah (swt) does not do. For example, Allah (swt) cannot be unjust, cannot be limited, cannot not exist, cannot have a beginning and an end, etc.

Similarly, His Majestic Glory is such that it cannot be comprehended, cannot be analyzed, and cannot be seen.

Praise be to Allah (swt), the Lord of the Universe. May His (swt) blessings be upon our holy prophet (pbuh), who was sent as a Mercy to mankind. May He (swt) shower his blessings upon the progeny of our holy prophet (pbuh), the ahl bait (as), the holy masumeens, who are the foundations of knowledge and the lesser qur'an.

ws

"Vision
comprehends Himnot, and He comprehends (all) vision..."(An`am:
103)

"he said: MyLord! show me (Thyself), so that I may look
upon Thee. He said: Youcannot (bear to) see Me..."(A`raaf: 143)

"nothing like a likeness ofHim"(Shura: 11)

"And when you
said: O Musa! we will not believe inyou untill we see Allah
manifestly, so the punishment overtook you whileyou looked
on"(Baqarah: 55).

Prove all this wrong please. can Quran be wrong?

I think you all took it too literally.


*“na maiN momin vich masiitaaN, na maiN muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Salam br/sr hasnian,
Jz for ur respond. I find it hard to believe that bukari has taken same place as Quran.

As far as I know sunnis (the follower of Ahlus sunnah wal jam’aah) arenot obliged to accept all hadiths from bukari as it is at the end of the day written by man, but it is regarded by sunnis as the most authentic book of hadiths and most will accept all the hadiths contained in it as true hadiths.

There is no doubt, however, that there are flase hadiths contained in it. There r hadiht which says prophet makes mistakes as well as that Allah has got feet, leg etc. The strangest thing about bukari is that it does not contain any hadiths reported by Imam Jaffar, even though Imam Jaffar was alive at the time of Bikari. What is also strange is that although the sunnis accept teh first 4 caliphs, there are hardly any hadiths reported by them in bukari.

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“Vision comprehends Him not, and He comprehends (all) vison.”(6:104)

also when children of israel asked Moses to see God. He was addressed:
“O Moses thou shalt never see thy Lord”. (7:143)

Imam Ali (as) said: “Oue eyes are unable to see Allah, but our thought and heart may attain Him throug the light of faith”.

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iqra_786 is my nick name, someone has taken iqra already so I added 786, and I am new member, never came here b4. that was my first post!

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salam

the ‘seeing’ allah on the day of judgemnt cna be taken literal sense as seeing thogut eyes, but it could menat that believers see Allah (swt) via heart as Imam Ali (as) said:
“Oue eyes are unable to see Allah, but our thought and heart may attain Him throug the light of faith”.

nice name btw bro ALi R

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