Previously it was England and Australia now even NZ is whining
Learn how to bat and stop whining
World Twenty20: Umar Gul’s blitz is caught up in tampering row - Telegraph
can’t post cricinfo blog link here but this was Kamran Abbasi’s response to some allegations and eye brows being raised against Umar Gul.
Well Kamran for once you have used your pen as a sword
THANK YOU very much :k:
**'**Umar Gul’s outstanding performance against New Zealand was notable for his mastery of line and length. It wasn’t notable for its extravagant reverse swing. Gul has every right to claim that he has become the leading exponent of Twenty20 fast bowling. He was formidable in South Africa two years ago and he is so again.
Gul’s brilliance is his ability to bowl his chosen length at will, either yorker, back of a length, or on a good length. He rarely errs by bowling a half volley. At the death, this predominantly yorker attack has become almost impossible to plunder runs off. This is the result of years of hard work and battle against injury. Gul is an intelligent bowler with absolute control over his armoury.
Hence, the whiff of suspicion created by Daniel Vettori and some journalists is a disgrace. Why is that when a man in green produces something special the immediate reaction is to cast doubt on that achievement? If it had been another country then the issue would not even have been raised.
Grow up boys, we’ve had twenty years of this nonsense and we’re sick and tired of it. Your sour grapes have become rancid.’
re: NZ joins the Sore Losers Camp/ Stop embarrassing us - Younis
I had suspected it'd come to this when Vettori had alluded to "no one has done it before in T20". Younis Khan had tried to pre-empt this by saying the ball gets roughed up, cut and bruised when it hits walls and other hard objects beyond the boundary line.
If there was tampering, then it should've been caught on video. Without evidence, there's no case. If the ball was that badly damaged, intentional or otherwise, then the umpires would have taken note of it and changed it during the play.
re: NZ joins the Sore Losers Camp/ Stop embarrassing us - Younis
rubbish.....both Vetorri and Younis.... Younic should not be allowed to open his mouth at every moment,without consulting the management.
re: NZ joins the Sore Losers Camp/ Stop embarrassing us - Younis
Just waiting for some idiots to call Afridi a chucker once he sends down a 130km/h
re: NZ joins the Sore Losers Camp/ Stop embarrassing us - Younis
Kudos to Geoff Lawson for calling NZ on this. This guy is fantastic.. he has been a great vocal supporter of Pakistan cricket wherever he is. Too bad he was dumped unceremoniously from the coaching position by PCB.
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re: NZ joins the Sore Losers Camp/ Stop embarrassing us - Younis
Younis Khan hits out at doubters and sore losers
“For reverse swing you need pace and a good action, and Gul has a good action. It is an art, it is not cheating, and Umar knows the art, especially in Twenty20s.”
Pakistan’s captain, Younis Khan, has expressed his exasperation at the allegations of ball-tampering that marred his team’s crushing victory over New Zealand at Lord’s on Saturday, and has called upon his critics to produce TV evidence of any alleged misdemeanours, rather than resort to innuendo.
Speaking in the aftermath of the 39-run victory over Ireland at The Oval that sealed Pakistan’s progression to the semi-finals, Younis defended his star bowler, Umar Gul, who followed up his figures of 5 for 6 at Lord’s with another superb spell of 2 for 19, and hit back at the comments made by New Zealand’s captain, Daniel Vettori, who claimed after the Lord’s defeat that he had never seen any bowler achieve reverse-swing as early as the 12th over of an international fixture.
“Everyone has his own opinion, especially when you get out cheaply and lose a game like that because New Zealand have a big reputation in world cricket,” said Younis. “But for reverse swing you need pace and a good action, and Gul has a good action. It is an art, it is not cheating, and Umar knows the art, especially in Twenty20s. In every single game he performs like that.”
Vettori confirmed that he had “raised a couple of concerns” with the on-field umpires and the match referee, Ranjan Madugalle, after Gul had claimed the first five-wicket haul in Twenty20 internationals to dismiss New Zealand for 99, but he later added that he had put the matter behind him after the officials had “no issues at all with the state of the ball”.
“The amount of reverse swing that we saw was new to us and therefore we raised a couple of concerns,” Vettori said. “They relayed back to us that they had no issues at all with the state of the ball. We accepted that and now we move on to our important game against Sri Lanka.” Vettori also said he had no discussions with Younis after the game regarding the matter.
Younis, however, maintained that the roughed-up condition of the ball had been due to the hard hitting in Twenty20 cricket, and was not impressed that the matter had been allowed to escalate, especially given how damaging Pakistan’s last ball-tampering row, again at The Oval back in August 2006, had turned out to be. On that occasion, the team, captained by Inzamam-ul-Haq, had refused to retake the field after being docked five runs by umpire Darrell Hair, and went on to complete the first forfeiture in the history of Test cricket.
“We are not cheating, but today was very embarrassing,” said Younis. "All the time the umpires were checking the ball, and there are plenty of cameras, so how could we cheat? It’s not good. And every time it is happening in England. Why? We have good actions and we have pace. So don’t disrupt a boy like Umar Gul, he has a good reputation.
“And don’t embarrass a team like Pakistan, we already have a lot of controversies in the whole world, and we are suffering a lot of things. Forget these things and focus on the game. Let the cameras catch it if anything is happening with the ball. In this game a lot of sixes are hit, and the ball goes in the crowd, and hits the concrete.”
The Pakistan board and team management also expressed their disappointment that questions were being asked about Gul’s reverse swing. Coach Intikhab Alam said it was down to Gul’s talent. “It is disappointing to hear these things,” Intikhab told AFP. “Umar is a fantastic bowler. Not everyone can bowl a reverse ball. You’ve got to have a special ability to do that. He’s quick and his action makes a lot of difference.”
Younis agreed with that assessment. “He does his hard work, and like Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, it’s all about hard work in the nets. He chats with Wasim, he chats with Waqar, and he chats with Shoaib Akhtar as well. He improves day by day, and he knows the tricks, all the yorkers and slower balls. He knows the art.”
There was also strong criticism from Ijaz Butt, the PCB chairman, over Vettori’s comments. “I didn’t expect it from a cricketer like Vettori,” he told Cricinfo. “I have a lot of respect for him, but he made a statement which is uncalled for. [Gul] would never do a thing like this.”
Geoff Lawson, the former Pakistan coach, was commentating on Saturday’s match at The Oval and noted that several New Zealand pacemen achieved subtle reverse swing towards the end of their innings.
“My first reaction after reading [Vettori’s] comments was of being pretty disappointed,” Lawson told Cricinfo. "It sounded as if an issue was being made just because the New Zealand batsmen couldn’t play him. There was no great mystery to what he was doing. He was bowling it nice and full and getting it to go just enough, not metres.
“I was commentating the game, and we were noting on air that some of the New Zealand bowlers were getting it to go a little bit reverse when they were bowling full towards the end of their innings. Gul was the best bowler at the last World Twenty20 and it’s pretty disappointing for New Zealand to have made an unofficial approach. It seems Pakistan carry the cross for these kinds of things.”
http://www.cricinfo.com/wt202009/content/current/story/409106.html
re: NZ joins the Sore Losers Camp/ Stop embarrassing us - Younis
I really dont want to write the words that are muttering out of my mouth for Vettori and Co. Really this was one side whom I considered to be pretty much fair, unlinke Austrialia or India..
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Lol! Does anyone remembers how after being kicked out of T20 2007 by Pakistan, Vettori complained something like that:
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Imran Nazir was not injured when he had a runner, because after winning he jumped in celebration. This is not the way we play cricket. **
I couldn't find that match on cricinfo.com If you could, please check the words of Vettori in post match ceremony.
Whiners and complainers are not good cricketers !
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I really didn’t expect this from NZ. Not that anyone takes them seriously. You lost, take it like a man. Don’t cry like Sreesanth. 
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^ I know… just like back in 2006 when NZ threw a hissy fit… sore losers…just cos we’re the best at reverse swings… 
… which they want to ban 
And you know it’s something when Michael Atherton jumps to Pakistan’s defence… 
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Vettori only liked reversing when Shane bond did it.
another ball tempering allegation !?!??!?!
r they jealous or something?!??!
Stop embarrassing Pakistan - Younis | Cricket News | ICC World Twenty20 2009 | Cricinfo.com
re: NZ joins the Sore Losers Camp/ Stop embarrassing us - Younis
oops thread about this already open
i opened a new thread about it
mods plz colose that thread
Vettori is such a sore loser
i hope he gets OWNED tomoro by srilankans 
Vettori seriously needs to get rid of this whinning girl habit. During the last T20 he whinned after losing the semi final against Pakistan. At that time he objected on Imran Nazir using a runner and at the same time throwing his bowlers out of the park. Don't remember but he has done something similar against some other opponent as well.
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Javaid Miandad wahaan hota tu Vitori ko batata k kasiey "bacha bacha 3rd over sai hee reverse swing kerta hai (wo bhee tape ball sai) Pakistan" ...
wake up Mr Vee_Too_Ree and smell the coffee. If you cant see anything, that does not mean that it does not exist and If you cant do it, does not mean it cant be done.
exactly
lil crybaby
jeez man not even little kids whine this much
Stop embarrassing Pakistan - Younis
Pakistan’s captain, Younis Khan, has expressed his exasperation at the allegations of ball-tampering that marred his team’s crushing victory over New Zealand at Lord’s on Saturday, and has called upon his critics to produce TV evidence of any alleged misdemeanours, rather than resort to innuendo.
Speaking in the aftermath of the 39-run victory over Ireland at The Oval that sealed Pakistan’s progression to the semi-finals, Younis defended his star bowler, Umar Gul, who followed up his figures of 5 for 6 at Lord’s with another superb spell of 2 for 19, and hit back at the comments made by New Zealand’s captain, Daniel Vettori, who claimed after the Lord’s defeat that he had never seen any bowler achieve reverse-swing as early as the 12th over of an international fixture.
“Everyone has his own opinion, especially when you get out cheaply and lose a game like that because New Zealand have a big reputation in world cricket,” said Younis. “But for reverse swing you need pace and a good action, and Gul has a good action. It is an art, it is not cheating, and Umar knows the art, especially in Twenty20s. In every single game he performs like that.”
Vettori confirmed that he had “raised a couple of concerns” with the on-field umpires and the match referee, Ranjan Madugalle, after Gul had claimed the first five-wicket haul in Twenty20 internationals to dismiss New Zealand for 99, but he later added that he had put the matter behind him after the officials had “no issues at all with the state of the ball”.
“The amount of reverse swing that we saw was new to us and therefore we raised a couple of concerns,” Vettori said. “They relayed back to us that they had no issues at all with the state of the ball. We accepted that and now we move on to our important game against Sri Lanka.” Vettori also said he had no discussions with Younis after the game regarding the matter.
Younis, however, maintained that the roughed-up condition of the ball had been due to the hard hitting in Twenty20 cricket, and was not impressed that the matter had been allowed to escalate, especially given how damaging Pakistan’s last ball-tampering row, again at The Oval back in August 2006, had turned out to be. On that occasion, the team, captained by Inzamam-ul-Haq, had refused to retake the field after being docked five runs by umpire Darrell Hair, and went on to complete the first forfeiture in the history of Test cricket.
“We are not cheating, but today was very embarrassing,” said Younis. "All the time the umpires were checking the ball, and there are plenty of cameras, so how could we cheat? It’s not good. And every time it is happening in England. Why? We have good actions and we have pace. So don’t disrupt a boy like Umar Gul, he has a good reputation.
“And don’t embarrass a team like Pakistan, we already have a lot of controversies in the whole world, and we are suffering a lot of things. Forget these things and focus on the game. Let the cameras catch it if anything is happening with the ball. In this game a lot of sixes are hit, and the ball goes in the crowd, and hits the concrete.”
The Pakistan board and team management also expressed their disappointment that questions were being asked about Gul’s reverse swing. Coach Intikhab Alam said it was down to Gul’s talent. “It is disappointing to hear these things,” Intikhab told AFP. “Umar is a fantastic bowler. Not everyone can bowl a reverse ball. You’ve got to have a special ability to do that. He’s quick and his action makes a lot of difference.”
Younis agreed with that assessment. “He does his hard work, and like Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, it’s all about hard work in the nets. He chats with Wasim, he chats with Waqar, and he chats with Shoaib Akhtar as well. He improves day by day, and he knows the tricks, all the yorkers and slower balls. He knows the art.”
There was also strong criticism from Ijaz Butt, the PCB chairman, over Vettori’s comments. “I didn’t expect it from a cricketer like Vettori,” he told Cricinfo. “I have a lot of respect for him, but he made a statement which is uncalled for. [Gul] would never do a thing like this.”
Geoff Lawson, the former Pakistan coach, was commentating on Saturday’s match at The Oval and noted that several New Zealand pacemen achieved subtle reverse swing towards the end of their innings.
“My first reaction after reading [Vettori’s] comments was of being pretty disappointed,” Lawson told Cricinfo. "It sounded as if an issue was being made just because the New Zealand batsmen couldn’t play him. There was no great mystery to what he was doing. He was bowling it nice and full and getting it to go just enough, not metres.
“I was commentating the game, and we were noting on air that some of the New Zealand bowlers were getting it to go a little bit reverse when they were bowling full towards the end of their innings. Gul was the best bowler at the last World Twenty20 and it’s pretty disappointing for New Zealand to have made an unofficial approach. It seems Pakistan carry the cross for these kinds of things.”
Source:
Stop embarrassing Pakistan - Younis | Cricket News | ICC World Twenty20 2009 | Cricinfo.com