NYPD using agent provocateurs to incite extremism

[StormRaiser]

Re: NYPD using agent provocateurs to incite extremism

Instead of indulging in rhetoric it would have been better for you to logically discuss your points. I guess logic is in short supply these days.

Anyone that says that you should leave your country and move elsewhere is a nutcase. Normal people will stay in their own country and use their democratic right to speak up and criticise their government.

I completely agree with this part of your post. I agree that people should have the right to criticize their governments in a peaceful manner. I said peaceful not by inciting hatred and donating money to known terrorist organizations.

Secondly even if you did move elsewhere are you going to move from that country when you don't agree with the government there?

The rest of the world is trying to emulate us and become fairer and more peaceful societies, by giving more right to their citizens, here you want us to move into the opposite direction and to regress. This just shows the backwardness of your type.

Should be let our countries become fascists states and remain silent.

I did not get it. You mean to say that the rest of the world is trying to emulate whom. I did not quite understand if dissent is allowed in countries like Saudi Arabia and the like. Last I checked there was no country called utopia. I was just assuming that Utopia means SA for you.

We live in countries with laws and rights. Even criminals have rights, and to the due process of the law.

Over the weekends many hundreds of people get drunk and commit all sorts of crimes but do we ban alcohol? or the bars? Many people fight at football matches but do we ban football?

The ones that commit crimes should be bought to justice however you cannot impose a blanket ban on everyone that thinks differently than you. You cannot upsurp law abiding citizens rights under the pretext of fighting terrorism.

The only long term solution to terrorism is through politics and not more violence.

Criminals have rights, but very limited mind you. Your example of violence related to alcohol is absurd and does not merit further discussion.

[StormRaiser]

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provoking people into saying things paying people to incite hatred?? great system you got their dude breaking your own laws to pick on a minority!

Hope you have better laws from the land that you come from

[arshad5]

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The rest of the world is trying to emulate us in the West. Why does the U.S not take action against SA? why does it only want selective democracy? Since you mentioned SA.

To find Utopia you don't need a map but a dictionary.

Criminals rights only become limited after the conviction by a court of law not before.

Why is the comment about alcohol induced violence absurd? Why is it ok for NYPD to use agent provocateurs against law abiding citizens, only if they are muslims?

[TS]

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I was going to post a reply but the more I think about your post the more retarded it seems.

You are probably starting to realize that the sole purpose of posting on GS for some posters is to spew anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim hatred.

[StormRaiser]

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The rest of the world is trying to emulate us in the West. Why does the U.S not take action against SA? why does it only want selective democracy? Since you mentioned SA.

Good to know that you are staying in the West. Gives a lot of relief.

To find Utopia you don't need a map but a dictionary.

Criminals rights only become limited after the conviction by a court of law not before.

Why is the comment about alcohol induced violence absurd? Why is it ok for NYPD to use agent provocateurs against law abiding citizens, only if they are muslims?

Argument regarding Alcohol induced violence is absurd because you are comparing apples and oranges.
Is it better to stop a criminal activity rather than have the crime take place and then go searching for clues. Why is it OK for you to have the crime take place first.
Here you are trusting somebody who sold his buddies for money. Once the flow became lessened, he suddenly had a change of heart. It is OK for you to believe whatever crap is written as long as it spites the West and is written by a Muslim

[rommel]

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Hope you have better laws from the land that you come from

you been found out and cannot even answer the allegations against the NYPD they have broken civil laws in their own country by provoking minorities and now they are trying to cover it up.

land of the spied on!

[arshad5]

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Argument regarding Alcohol induced violence is absurd because you are comparing apples and oranges. Is it better to stop a criminal activity rather than have the crime take place and then go searching for clues. Why is it OK for you to have the crime take place first. Here you are trusting somebody who sold his buddies for money. Once the flow became lessened, he suddenly had a change of heart. It is OK for you to believe whatever crap is written as long as it spites the West and is written by a Muslim

You are saying that it is better to stop a criminal activity from taking place rather than to deal with the crime. Lets go back to the alcohol induced violence...we know from stats that every friday night lets say in NYC hundreds of crimes will be committed as a result of alcohol. So do we lock every citizen of NYC up on friday night in order to stop say 500 crimes that will be committed on that night? No we let them get on with their lives and only deal with the ones that actually commit a crime.

I don't know what you are writing about in "you are trusting somebody who sold his buddies for money".

I have nothing against the West. I admire the West in many ways and also like the people of the West. In many ways they are better than muslims. However when I see a wrong I will speak out against it.....I don't want certain things happening in my name.

[arshad5]

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You are probably starting to realize that the sole purpose of posting on GS for some posters is to spew anti-Pakistan and anti-Muslim hatred.

You are absolutely spot on! I also noticed that a lot of them cannot make an intelligent point or even reason and just indulge in rhetoric. They also tend to be people with lower IQ's more often than not.

[arshad5]

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Approximately 25,000 people die every year in the U.S due to alcohol induced crashes, so can some bright spark tell me how we can arrest these drivers before they actually crash and kill themselves and others?

[StormRaiser]

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^^

Do you even think before you posted this. I understand you are a high IQ genius, hence thinking might not be part of your plan I suppose. Let me take your analogy itself and explain.

Not all people who drive need to be drunk. We need to catch them in the act.
Not all people who drink need to cause crashes. It is safe to assume that drunk people will cause a crash.

Let me explain this step by step for you

1) Person X gets drunk
2) Person decides to drive
3) Person begins to drive
4) Police are on the lookout to catch drunken drivers before the crash. If he is caught before well and good.
5) Police might or might not catch a drunken driver
6) If he is caught well and good

Now equate these steps with the scenario we are talking about. If you still do not understand, I cannot help it.

[arshad5]

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^^

Do you even think before you posted this. I understand you are a high IQ genius, hence thinking might not be part of your plan I suppose. Let me take your analogy itself and explain.

Not all people who drive need to be drunk. We need to catch them in the act. Not all people who drink need to cause crashes. It is safe to assume that drunk people will cause a crash.

Let me explain this step by step for you

1) Person X gets drunk 2) Person decides to drive 3) Person begins to drive 4) Police are on the lookout to catch drunken drivers before the crash. If he is caught before well and good. 5) Police might or might not catch a drunken driver 6) If he is caught well and good

Now equate these steps with the scenario we are talking about. If you still do not understand, I cannot help it.

Not all alcohol drinkers are involved in crashes but also not all muslims are involved in terrorism in fact it is significantly less than drinkers that cause crashes and kill people. 25,000 people die each year because of alcohol induced crashes but how many are killed by muslim terrorists each year?

So why are all muslim suspected, why are mosques and muslim groups targeted, why are all emails and internet sites monitored, why state dept and pentagon have funds to brainwash people. Why are law abiding citizens being monitored. Why does the U.S government have agents posing as extremists to encourage muslims to become extremists.

Do you see agents in bars drinking and asking drinkers "how many drinks are you intending to drink today" and "are you planning on driving when you leave here".

[StormRaiser]

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^^

When the police is on the lookout for drunk drivers, they check a lot of sober drivers too. It is part and parcel of the game. Due to a few idiots who drink and drive, many ordinary law abiding citizens are forced to undergo tests to check for drunken driving.

[arshad5]

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@StormRaiser

^^

When the police is on the lookout for drunk drivers, they check a lot of sober drivers too. It is part and parcel of the game. Due to a few idiots who drink and drive, many ordinary law abiding citizens are forced to undergo tests to check for drunken driving.

If 25,000 deaths are caused each year then they are not doing a very good job are they? Instead of sending agents in mosques maybe they should send agents into bars, as that would yield them better results.

They only check drivers that are "suspected" for one reason or another i.e speeding, untaxed vehicles, car unroadworthy etc. They don't harass law abiding motorists.

[StormRaiser]

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Now you are worried about 25,000 deaths that happen every year and the inadequate job that they are doing. You should be proud that there have been very few incidents of terrorism post 911. Atleast they are doing a good job on that front...

[arshad5]

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@StormRaiser

Now you are worried about 25,000 deaths that happen every year and the inadequate job that they are doing. You should be proud that there have been very few incidents of terrorism post 911. Atleast they are doing a good job on that front...

Your arguments seems to be shifting all over the place.

I was putting things in perspective. Curtaining civil liberties and treating a significant number of their own citizens as fifth columnist is not good for democracy. Letting some extremists change our way of life is a victory for the terrorists. The terrorist don't need to do anything, the government does all their work for them.

[StormRaiser]

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@arshad5

Your arguments seems to be shifting all over the place.

I was putting things in perspective. Curtaining civil liberties and treating a significant number of their own citizens as fifth columnist is not good for democracy. Letting some extremists change our way of life is a victory for the terrorists. The terrorist don't need to do anything, the government does all their work for them.

Putting things in perspective does not help when incidents like 911 happen. Governments have to be proactive to prevent these incidents from re-happening. it is very easy to sit in an armchair and make comments that changing our way of life is a victory to the terrorists. Life has changed, we need to be more vigilant against the scum who is desperately trying to take away our freedom.

[arshad5]

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@StormRaiser

Putting things in perspective does not help when incidents like 911 happen. Governments have to be proactive to prevent these incidents from re-happening. it is very easy to sit in an armchair and make comments that changing our way of life is a victory to the terrorists. Life has changed, we need to be more vigilant against the scum who is desperately trying to take away our freedom.

Lol you fight against those that wish you take away our freedom, by taking away our freedom? so I guess the terrorists have won already.

The only crime of law abiding muslims is that they are against US foreign policy. The WOT is just an excuse to silence critics.

What we are seeing in the US a witchhunt and
McCarthuryism.

[diwana]

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@arshad5

Not all alcohol drinkers are involved in crashes but also not all muslims are involved in terrorism in fact it is significantly less than drinkers that cause crashes and kill people. 25,000 people die each year because of alcohol induced crashes but how many are killed by muslim terrorists each year?

So why are all muslim suspected, why are mosques and muslim groups targeted, why are all emails and internet sites monitored, why state dept and pentagon have funds to brainwash people. Why are law abiding citizens being monitored. Why does the U.S government have agents posing as extremists to encourage muslims to become extremists.

Do you see agents in bars drinking and asking drinkers "how many drinks are you intending to drink today" and "are you planning on driving when you leave here".

Because all Muslims going to masjid are potentially guilty and criminals unless proven otherwise, and bar drinkers are innocent until proven otherwise?

[StormRaiser]

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Lol you fight against those that wish you take away our freedom, by taking away ** our** freedom? so I guess the terrorists have won already.

Whose freedom are you talking about ???

The only crime of law abiding muslims is that they are against US foreign policy. The WOT is just an excuse to silence critics.

What we are seeing in the US a witchhunt and McCarthuryism.

Nobody has been arrested for opposing the US foreign policy. Those of whom who are inciting hatred and planning to do wrong need to be put away for a long time. If you call this McCarthuryism you would need to re-read history.

[arshad5]

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Whose freedom are you talking about ???

Nobody has been arrested for opposing the US foreign policy. Those of whom who are inciting hatred and planning to do wrong need to be put away for a long time. If you call this McCarthuryism you would need to re-read history.

Our freedom means the freedom of the general public.

Freedom of privacy, freedom of association, freedom of expression, freedom of thought are all being attacked. You cannot even go to a mosque to pray without knowing whether there are agents spying on you. Civil liberties of the public are under attack. Civil rights that took us centuries to acquire are being taken away from us. Nearly all muslims are not terrorists yet terrorism is being used as an excuse to attack their liberties. This is the equivalent of using a sledge hammer to open a walnut.

WOT is the consequence of resentment against the US foreign policy. If you attack the US foreign policy then you are painted as a terrorist or a terrorist sympathiser, and as a result you have no rights.

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what McCarthuryism is? I will wait for your definition.