nudity

Sheraz_CT · April 15, 2005, 2:43am

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have you had any kinda experience with God? if someone doesnt have any experience with God, does it mean he/she should not believe in God?

Crescent · April 15, 2005, 3:08am

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phatima1:

No. If you want reasoning to this, I can pull up a great story for you in audio posted by Crescent. Go listen to what he recently posted in Audio.

If you’re too lazy to do that, lol, then I’ll simply explain it to you :). This guy sees footprints in the sand. He says to the other man “What does this tell you”. The man says “It tells me that a camel passed by”. The man says “Did you see the camel”. The other guy goes “No, but the footprints tell me that a camel has passed by”. The man goes " Do you see those mountains". The other guy goes “Yea.”. Then the man says “Those mountains indicate that Allah (swt) has created them and that he is real.”
(Cressi, sorry for stealing your story. It just fit the part :k: )

So, as you can see. We can’t believe in only what we see. Technically, you can’t “see” gravity. By seeing a falling object, you can only see the EFFECT of gravity.

Does that clear things up a bit?

Someone actually listened and understood its meaning!

Thanks so much

phatima · April 15, 2005, 3:18am

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Yay! No problem!

shivangi · April 15, 2005, 3:19am

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phatima1:

No. If you want reasoning to this, I can pull up a great story for you in audio posted by Crescent. Go listen to what he recently posted in Audio.

If you’re too lazy to do that, lol, then I’ll simply explain it to you :). This guy sees footprints in the sand. He says to the other man “What does this tell you”. The man says “It tells me that a camel passed by”. The man says “Did you see the camel”. The other guy goes “No, but the footprints tell me that a camel has passed by”. The man goes " Do you see those mountains". The other guy goes “Yea.”. Then the man says “Those mountains indicate that Allah (swt) has created them and that he is real.”
(Cressi, sorry for stealing your story. It just fit the part :k: )

So, as you can see. We can’t believe in only what we see. Technically, you can’t “see” gravity. By seeing a falling object, you can only see the EFFECT of gravity.

Does that clear things up a bit?

Meri Banno let me explain u this way:If u read my previous posts then u 'll come across the word “EXPerience” and nowhere i used the word"see".Now to ur story.how can can u tell those foot prints on sand r of camel untill and unless u had a previous experience with camel and u observed all its traits carefully.regarding mountain well its right in front of u so u say those r mountains now here also involves the question of previous experience.if u ask a person from plains who has never seen a mountain in his life then how can u expect him to say its mountain when he sees it for the 1st time in his life.now regarding gravity same thing like i never used word see ,i used experience and its true u experience gravity.well before newton every body has experienced gravity in life by seeing falling apples objects etc.now it was for newton to give this invisible force name gravity and he observed it carefully and he proved it mathimatically that such a force exists so ppl believed him.now my question is did u ever experienced the jinns etc if yes then can u prove it to me that they exists as newton did to prove his theories.

Now for religious look into jinns etc.every religion on earth has the concept of ghost,jinns etc.Now here i dont wish to demean any religion etc.In quran by the concept of jinns etc,according to the brain provided by god himself to me i think The ALLAH(swt),God,Bhagwaan etc whoever he is might wish to tell there there r both good (angels)and bad(jinns) with in us.so conquer on bad in u and prosper good forces with in u.Look human brain is being small but is as complex as this universe.So by the concept of jinns allah might want to tell us that its the bad forces in us.which do not exsists physically .Now i m not saying quran is wrong,the only thing im saying that with our small brains we r not able to interprete it correctly.and a word can be used in different context.a man can interprete a situation according to his brain.So wat i said is like it all human psychology,which creats all these illusions.

PS:May Allah forgive me if im wrong here in interpreting his word in quran.coz its the limited brain provided by allah himself to me which cant think beyond this point

shivangi · April 15, 2005, 3:22am

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i’ll let u know when i 'll have experience with god.I know there is something supreme in this world but unless i exp it i wont believe it.

shivangi · April 15, 2005, 3:32am

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these views r my alone and i do not wish to impose them on anybody.one more thing im not an atheist,,,the only thing which is different in me and u ppl is that i do the comparative scientific study of all religion.so ppl my request is plz dont jump on and buthcer me by branding me as an atheist.

PakistaniAbroad · April 15, 2005, 3:38am

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If we all turn to the Qur'an there maybe some answers that DO make sense.

Jinn's may not necessarily all be "EVIL" creatures..

[6:130] O assembly of jinn and men! did there not come to you messengers from among you, relating to you My communications and warning you of the meeting of this day of yours? They shall say: We bear witness against ourselves; and this world's life deceived them, and they shall bear witness against their own souls that they were unbelievers.

PakistaniAbroad: So jinns were also sent messengers and Allah's communications.. so there definitely were Jinn messengers too.

And according to their own admission:

[72:11] And that some of us are good and others of us are below that: we are sects following different ways:

PakistaniAbroad: it seems like Jinns are no better off than us.. they have their own sectarian battles to fight, the same issues of right and wrong and trying to live a life obeying Allah and not going against His commands and waiting for the Day of Judgement and hoping to get into Heaven.. just like us.

Before you rely on some inane references, at least give the Qur'an a chance.. we don't have to take everything so literally.. consider this.. millions of years from now when another generation of Allah's creatures will be sent a scripture with mention of a species called humans, who were made of "mud/clay" who could fly/talk to each other across the globe, see beyond galaxies, travel to stars.. etc etc.. u bet that generation would be scared sh*tless bathing naked in their bathrooms or having sex in the nude least some "human" decide to intervene!

Surya · April 15, 2005, 5:15am

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As far as I know, ghosts are souls that have somehow failed to leave the human plane to the spiritual plane of existence. Jinns are souls which are controlled by people with powers to do so and are able to get these souls to do their bidding, but it comes at a price, as you can fall under the influence of these souls (whether for good or worse). Angels are souls which are pure and are primarily interested in helping mankind.

Basically, human souls are the size of ping pong balls and they are gender neutral. It is we who are conscious of our ape like bodies, and feel the need to cover up. Angels and higher beings are able to observe our true selves (soul) buried in the body. For angels, human body is just like a space suit made of dust, they dont care about it. We too once dead realize the body was just like a cloth covering our soul and we will realize our mistakes for wasting so much time on bodily needs and desires and forgetting the task of purification of our real selves (soul) for which we are on this earth for. And we will keep on coming in new human suits till we realize our true selves.

phatima · April 15, 2005, 9:01pm

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shivangi:

Meri Banno let me explain u this way:If u read my previous posts then u 'll come across the word “EXPerience” and nowhere i used the word"see".Now to ur story.how can can u tell those foot prints on sand r of camel untill and unless u had a previous experience with camel and u observed all its traits carefully.regarding mountain well its right in front of u so u say those r mountains now here also involves the question of previous experience.if u ask a person from plains who has never seen a mountain in his life then how can u expect him to say its mountain when he sees it for the 1st time in his life.now regarding gravity same thing like i never used word see ,i used experience and its true u experience gravity.well before newton every body has experienced gravity in life by seeing falling apples objects etc.now it was for newton to give this invisible force name gravity and he observed it carefully and he proved it mathimatically that such a force exists so ppl believed him.now my question is did u ever experienced the jinns etc if yes then can u prove it to me that they exists as newton did to prove his theories.

Now for religious look into jinns etc.every religion on earth has the concept of ghost,jinns etc.Now here i dont wish to demean any religion etc.In quran by the concept of jinns etc,according to the brain provided by god himself to me i think The ALLAH(swt),God,Bhagwaan etc whoever he is might wish to tell there there r both good (angels)and bad(jinns) with in us.so conquer on bad in u and prosper good forces with in u.Look human brain is being small but is as complex as this universe.So by the concept of jinns allah might want to tell us that its the bad forces in us.which do not exsists physically .Now i m not saying quran is wrong,the only thing im saying that with our small brains we r not able to interprete it correctly.and a word can be used in different context.a man can interprete a situation according to his brain.So wat i said is like it all human psychology,which creats all these illusions.

PS:May Allah forgive me if im wrong here in interpreting his word in quran.coz its the limited brain provided by allah himself to me which cant think beyond this point

I opened a new thread to talk about this. We’re getting off topic. :k:

armughal · April 16, 2005, 5:16am

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let us have a new thread on this one…

according to the following verse, i believe messengers were NOT sent among the jinn…

Quran 22:75
*Allah chooses messengers from the angels, and from mankind. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Seer. *

Gadhee · April 16, 2005, 2:54pm

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i dun think it wud be completely Haraam, but you shud have some Sharam, etc. even when u are by urself. Its not just a matter of comfort, its also a matter of having respect for urself even when u are by urself. Though i dun know much on the subject, i think u shud at least have sharum haya when u are even with urself.

TheNewWannaBe · April 16, 2005, 3:10pm

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this is one freaky thread

TheNewWannaBe · April 16, 2005, 3:16pm

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i mean now i understand why these jinns are stalking me

and and… i dont think my dad said bismillah when he planned to have me does that mean… i dont even wanna imagine

Gadhee · April 16, 2005, 10:43pm

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hahaha; nice one........dont worry the Jinns must like you and wanna be buds with ya ;thats why they are stalking you, and that might not always be a bad thing lolol.

Surya · April 16, 2005, 11:04pm

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Maybe they were your buddies before you became a human.

TheNewWannaBe · April 17, 2005, 12:38pm

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Gadhee, yeh tum keh rahi ho?

Surya - yeah maybe. beware

Gadhee · April 18, 2005, 12:24am

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sorry if i offended ya
didnt mean it in bad way… i mean whats wrong with having jinns as friend lolxz

AQ · April 18, 2005, 4:33am

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Jins can actually be very good friends, if they are muslim :)

yet they can also turned out to be the dangerous enemy otherwise.

TheNewWannaBe · April 20, 2005, 8:45pm

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haha Gadhee, no you did not offend me at all. i understand what you're saying but you know. little of your life you find in your control in that case. good or bad. you know. i wonder what is the way out.

desi_gubbara · April 20, 2005, 9:23pm

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Talk about Nudity and Sex and see all the guys jump around left and right...lol