good article about pakistan and deterrence
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-3-2003_pg1_9
Mr. rvikz, it would be great if you could put forth your sacred opinion as well about this "good article".
Last time I checked, gupshup was a discussion board not a notice board.
I don't like it but the fact is that the nukes is what probably saved Pakistan in recent escalation. That sounds like a working deterrent to me!
Unfortunately for deterrence (detente?) to work both sides have to be capable of reasoning and eschew emotion. Can the islamist fundamentalists do that? No! Hence the need for a better solution than nuclear deterence
May be dailytimes yada yada yada has more credibility then the highest authority of India…
Nuclear capability avoided an Indo-Pak war: Kalam
He however reiterated India’s nuclear doctrine of ‘no first use.’ Kalam said that if India and Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons there would have been a war. “Even the recent warfare would have seen that. Why it did not take place? If we did not have nuclear weapons it would have taken place. Do you understand that? This nuclear deterrent on both sides has helped not to engage in a big war and to avoid the nuclear war,” said Kalam.
Oh what the hell what a waste of bandwidth
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Since it is from daily blah blah I will only read the first and the last line and draw my conclusions.... Last years standoff speaks volumes no need to go any further.. BTW here is one for you consideration...also don't forget what your president said about the stand off wrt nukes...
India Wrestles with Nuclear Arms Paradox
Mon January 13, 2003 05:20 AM ET
By Sanjeev Miglani
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Nearly five years after India and Pakistan became nuclear powers, New Delhi is finally coming to terms with what that status means -- the threat of a Pakistani first strike has neutralized its conventional superiority.
Analysts say last year's inconclusive military standoff between the neighbors highlighted what many had feared when the two conducted tit-for-tat nuclear tests in 1998, that India would no longer dare go to war with Pakistan.
"India has become a victim of nuclear blackmail," said C. Raja Mohan, strategic affairs editor at The Hindu newspaper.
So, unable to go back, India is copying the example of the United States and the former Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War, building its nuclear deterrent to the point of mutually assured destruction so that neither side would dare go nuclear.
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pakistan objective of wresting kashmir since 1947 not working despite recent nuclear threat. what has changed since 1947?
yes it keep both sides waging war so be it. all the wars are started by pakistan now pakistan wont statrt fourth war. no war benfits both
Bandwidth is like electricty - use it or loose it!
Kalam is right ofcourse!
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pakistan objective of wresting kashmir since 1947 not working despite recent nuclear threat. what has changed since 1947?
yes it keep both sides waging war so be it. all the wars are started by pakistan now pakistan wont statrt fourth war. no war benfits both
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You see it is working let me tell you how.... If India was not feeling the heat and pain it would not have been screaming and threatning war with million troops. Either say India is not in agony or it was just a tamasha.
BTW the topic was about nuclear deterrent.. and stop reading too much of Bakwas Rakshak they like daily times for such BS.
hehehe you mean if you don’t use those electrons they drain like water from a tap.. 
what is this some new invention.
it's all mostly photons.
itis pakistani who are saying it is not working
To a question at his first news conference after taking over the job, Akram said any action by India across the border, any aerial attack on Pakistani territory and its assets, and any action to economically strangle it would be “viewed” as aggression and would be “responded to by Pakistan.”
Noting that both India and Pakistan possessed nuclear weapons, he said while that should instill restraint on both sides, “it does not seem to do so on the Indian side.”
I believe the highest authority on both sides India and Pak are the presidents. And both Musharraf and Kalam said it was nukes on both sides that averted war. This is also the opinion of half a dozen analyst. Actions speak louder then words the last stand off should be more then enough proof.
abdali there is always a possibility of unintentional war due to miscalculations.
The extremists’ attack on the Indian Parliament on December 13 provoked New Delhi to amass troops along the Pakistan border and close all doors of dialogue and negotiations. It should not be surprising if another such attack provoked even stronger reaction leading to war of some sort. More so as jihadi organisations based in Pakistan have been quick in the past to claim credit for such terrorist attacks
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abdali there is always a possibility of unintentional war due to miscalculations.
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Thats why we have checks and balances...
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there is always a possibility of unintentional war due to miscalculations.
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Yep! with the Hindu nationalist fanatics in Indian govt. there is always a possibility of unintentional war whether at home with minorities or with neighbors. They also have seemed to adopt the idea of pre-emtpness from the Americans.
And how is pardhaan mantri vegetable's "decisive battle" coming along?
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Yep! with the Hindu nationalist fanatics in Indian govt. there is always a possibility of unintentional war whether at home with minorities or with neighbors. They also have seemed to adopt the idea of pre-emtpness from the Americans.
And how is pardhaan mantri vegetable's "decisive battle" coming along?
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equation may change when india aquires megaton thermo-nuclear
devices.
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equation may change when india aquires megaton thermo-nuclear
devices.
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So will we and we might already have one. War is not an option anymore accept that you will sleep easy.
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equation may change when india aquires megaton thermo-nuclear
devices.
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You mean the "decisive battle" will start after Indian acquires the thermonuclear device?
And Abdali is right "what you can do, we can do better".