NTY, Chicago Tribune, WSJ

What do they have in common? all demanding unky Mush skin. Same day editorials, same demand. Makes one wonder if they r part of some *international saazish *going to the highest echelons of power :hmmm:

**** Pakistan’s Dictator**](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/opinion/11mon1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin)**

*Published: June 11, 2007

  •   	 If Gen. Pervez Musharraf were the democratic leader he indignantly insists he is, he would not be so busy threatening independent news outlets, arresting hundreds of opposition politicians and berating parliamentary leaders and ministers from his own party for insufficient loyalty to his arbitrary and widely unpopular policies. 
    But nobody takes General Musharraf’s democratic claims seriously anymore, except for the Bush administration, which has put itself in the embarrassing position of propping up the Muslim world’s most powerful military dictator as an essential ally in its half-baked campaign to promote democracy throughout the Muslim world. Washington needs to disentangle America, quickly, from the general’s damaging embrace.
    

Ever since his high-handed dismissal of the country’s independent-minded chief justice in March, the general has been busily digging himself into an ever deeper political hole.
Last week, he issued a decree giving himself increased powers to shut down independent television channels, but under mounting pressure he withdrew it over the weekend. More than 300 local political leaders in Punjab were arrested in an effort to head off protests against the decree. Still, thousands of lawyers, journalists and political activists gathered to protest the firing, the censorship and the general’s continued rule. Pakistan seems to be rapidly approaching a critical turning point, with a choice between intensified repression and instability or an orderly transition back to democratic rule.
Were Washington now to begin distancing itself from the general, it would greatly encourage civic-minded Pakistanis to step up the pressure for free national elections. That’s a process the chief justice was trying to make possible when he was fired. And that is what Pakistan’s last two democratically elected leaders — Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif — are both campaigning for from abroad. The United States should be supporting these efforts, not continuing to make excuses for General Musharraf.
Pakistan has its share of violent Islamic extremists, military and civilian. But they are clearly in the minority. The best hope for diluting their political, and geopolitical, influence lies not in heating the pressure cooker of repression, but in promoting the earliest possible democratic elections.


Trouble in Pakistan

      	*Published June 11, 2007*

          	 Since 2001, poverty has plunged by 10 percent in Pakistan, according to the CIA's World Factbook. The country has privatized its banking sector, increased access to global markets and bolstered government investment in economic development. The welcome result: Pakistan's gross domestic product grew by 6 to 8 percent a year from 2004 to 2006.

The economic news is mostly good. Yet President Pervez Musharraf faces rising anger from citizens who have grown tired of his government’s tyranny and inefficiency. Street protests have been growing, especially since March, when Musharraf suspended Iftikhar Chaudhry, the chief justice of Pakistan’s Supreme Court.

When Musharraf took power in 1999, in a military coup that ousted an elected government, he promised to clean up corruption, limit his own power and liberalize the press. He has failed on all three counts.

According to Transparency International’s 2006 Corruption Perceptions Index, Pakistan ranks near the bottom, 142nd most corrupt out of 163 countries. Musharraf has repeatedly broken promises to limit his term in office. And as protests against the government have multiplied in the three months since he suspended Chaudhry, the government has done its best to muzzle the press, essentially banning live coverage of opposition rallies and live political talk shows while raising fines for violations to prohibitive levels.

This creates a problem for the U.S. in a region where it has more than enough problems. Musharraf has been a U.S. ally against Al Qaeda (if at times an uncertain one.) If he were not in power, the world would face the risk of extreme elements running the nuclear-armed Pakistan.

But Musharraf’s strong-arm routine has been going on for 7 1/2 years, and it is building resentment in his nation – a welcome development for extremist elements there.

Musharraf needs to give his people a voice in running their nation. That means ensuring that the country’s next elections, expected later this year, are fair, free and open, devoid of violence and intimidation. That means giving them a vote, soon, on whether he should stay in power.

Granted, that’s not an easy task. Pakistan’s six-decade history as a sovereign nation has been dominated by military coups and multiple rewritings of its constitution. Democracy has been little more than a rumor based on a myth based on a fairy tale.

There is the danger that if Musharraf is removed from office, a new government would not be as friendly to the U.S. as he has been. But his rule by force is creating more potential for violence, and stands in glaring contradiction to the U.S. campaign to promote democracy in the region. Pakistan is on a dangerous path.


**WSJ: The Musharraf Dilemma

***By MAX BOOT, June 11, 2007; Page A13

*Pakistan may be reaching a crisis point. Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who is chief of both the country and the armed forces, is facing the most serious threat to his rule since he seized power in 1999. His high-handed suspension in March of the chief justice of the supreme court, Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, has galvanized opposition from the urban middle-class that had hitherto acquiesced in his rule. On May 12, street protests got out of hand in Karachi, leaving 48 dead and contributing to a sense of worsening crisis. Mr. Musharraf has since tried to regain control by cracking down on independent media outlets and by jailing hundreds of opposition political activists, but the protests continue.

The Bush administration is reaching a decision point: Will it continue to provide unqualified support for Mr. Musharraf on the grounds that he is too valuable an ally to give up in the Global War on Terror? Or will it pull the rug out from under him and insist on a transition to civilian democratic rule? In this matter as in so many others, George W. Bush should ask himself the WWRD question: What Would Reagan Do?
As it happens, Ronald Reagan confronted a crisis remarkably similar to this one 21 years ago involving another pro-American dictator in another strategically important country. Ferdinand Marcos had ruled the Philippines, home to two of America’s biggest overseas military bases, by martial law since 1972. He had loyally stood by the United States and fought against a communist insurgency, but his rule started to unravel when opposition leader Benigno Aquino returned to his homeland in 1983 and was assassinated on the tarmac.

Evidence pointed to conspiracy involving Gen. Fabian Ver, commander of the Philippine armed forces. But a three-judge panel acquitted Ver and 25 others, and Marcos promptly reinstated him. He then shamelessly stole the 1986 presidential election from Benigno’s widow, Corazon Aquino.
Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets to protest. “People power” was supplemented by a rebellion within the Philippine armed forces. But Marcos still had the loyalty of much of the army, and was prepared to use it to hold onto power by force – unless the U.S. intervened.

President Reagan confronted a difficult choice. He felt personally loyal to Marcos and was afraid of the consequences of toppling him, having little confidence in Ms. Aquino’s leadership abilities. Reagan abhorred the way Jimmy Carter had abandoned the Shah of Iran in 1979, and didn’t want to make the same mistake.

But his Secretary of State, George Shultz, had seen early on that Marcos’s legitimacy was eroding. “I became increasingly convinced that Marcos was the problem, not the solution,” Mr. Shultz wrote in his memoirs. The secretary of state had refused to call for the dictator’s ouster, but he had insisted that the Philippines hold elections – demands that Marcos had finally agreed to.

The crisis came to a head on Sunday, Feb. 23, 1986, as Marcos was massing troops in Manila to crack down on the post-election protests. The top-level National Security Planning Group met that afternoon in the White House Situation Room to decide whether to continue backing him. Only White House chief of staff Don Regan offered any support for Marcos. The rest of the foreign-policy team said his day was done. The president was reluctantly won over. He authorized his friend, Sen. Paul Laxalt, to call Marcos and convey the message. By Tuesday, the dictator and his gaudy wife Imelda were on their way to exile aboard a U.S. Air Force jet.

This was no aberration. Even while protests were erupting in the Philippines, a similar situation was occurring in Haiti. Here, too, another pro-American dictator – Jean-Claude (Baby Doc) Duvalier – was sinking. And here, too, the Reagan administration refused to throw him a lifeline, forcing him into exile.

The Reagan administration also played a role in getting the military regime in South Korea to give up power and hold free elections in 1987. The same year, with American encouragement, Taiwan’s Chiang Ching-kuo ended martial law and began the transition to democracy. The following year, again with U.S. backing, Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet held a referendum, which he lost, bringing his long reign to an end.

All these actions were taken notwithstanding the very real risk, at a time when the Cold War was still going strong, of what would follow in the wake of pro-American strongmen. Back then, just as today, lots of “realists” made the better-the-devil-you-know argument. (Henry Kissinger wrote an op-ed expressing “grave concerns” about Marcos’s overthrow.) But what Reagan and especially Mr. Shultz realized was that giving a blank check to dictators was a bad deal. Sooner or later, it would lead to an explosion that would make an anti-American regime – of the kind that arose in Nicaragua and Iran in 1979 – more, not less, likely. The best way to prevent such a disaster was by pushing for civil-society reforms culminating in free elections, something that previous administrations failed to do with Somoza or the Shah.

The choice is made more difficult in the case of Pakistan because, unlike the Philippines or South Korea, it possesses nuclear weapons. Our ultimate nightmare is for those weapons to fall into the hands of Osama bin Laden’s allies. But that is extremely unlikely. The coalition of religious parties, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, won only 12% of the seats in the legislative assembly in 2002, even though Mr. Musharraf hindered more secular parties from competing. There is no reason to think it is any more popular today. The two main opposition parties, the Pakistan People’s Party led by Benazir Bhutto and the Pakistan Muslim League led by Nawaz Sharif, have their own shortcomings, including corruption and a history of dealings with Islamic radicals. But they represent the broad middle of Pakistani society, not the extremist fringe.

Moreover, Mr. Musharraf has talked a better game than he has delivered. He has taken at least $10 billion in American subsidies since 9/11, and in return he has sent his troops to fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban. But he has also struck deals with tribal authorities in South Waziristan, North Waziristan and Bajaur that essentially turn over those vital border regions to Taliban control. No wonder terrorism in Afghanistan is exploding. Taliban fighters receive training and support in Pakistan, possibly still from their historic patrons in the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency which reports to none other than Mr. Musharraf. There have even been a number of incidents in recent months of Pakistani troops providing covering fire from their side of the border for Taliban militants assaulting Afghan army positions. Mr. Musharraf has been useful, but he is either unwilling or unable to do enough to combat the terrorists in his country.

There is no need for President Bush to call for his ouster at this point, any more than Reagan called for Marcos’s ouster early on. What he should do – what Reagan did in the Philippines – is to insist that the constitutional process play itself out. That means that, if he wants U.S. aid to continue, Mr. Musharraf should give up either the presidency or his post as army chief and allow free elections in October that could be contested by all legitimate political parties.

Reagan’s words at Moscow State University in 1988 still ring true today: “Democracy is the standard by which governments are measured.” Mr. Musharraf is not living up to that standard.
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Mr. Boot, winner of the 2007 Eric Breindel Award for Excellence in Opinion Journalism, is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and author of “War Made New” (Gotham Books, 2006).


yeh log kyoon hamaray Emperor kay peechay haath dho kay par gayee hain? The benevolent and ubiquitously famous Dictaor. :bummer:
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It is part of the growing movement to get rid of Mush.

With the Pakistani people now openly revolting, international media has grasped the issue to say what has been on their mind for a long time now

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FOL- a little behind the curve
this started months ago as negative reports aganst pakistan increased on a daily basis, then you had the visits from cheney and co, etc etc.

The displeasure with Pakistan regime had started months ago on the issue of FATA and how much NATO/US can do there and how much Pakistan can. It was further complicated as Musharraf said that the Taleban ressurgence is possible as an ethnic struggle due to illformed strategies of the 'guys next door'.

He was not being as much of a puppet as US wanted and since then, Uka nd US media tunrned sour, opposition bhagoray get audience with congressmen and senators.

Connect the dots.

btw :) even these scathing reports about musharraf acknowledge the positive impact his govt has had. the same positive impact that ppl here on the forum keep arguing about.

The reports also attack some of his policies regarding working with the tribals that seem to be working in some cases, versus just going and blowing up the place. Intresting thing is that people who oppose him do not want him to go blow up the tribal areas, but when he is attacked for that by foriegn press, they dont say anything because other parts of the article serve their purpose and allow them to make a case.

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nuff said..

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glad that he noted that too.

I am in agreement with the journalists. Pakistan needs elections as scheduled. Anyone who is qualified should be able to run for office, and people live with the results.

We need to have elections, and we need to move forward. No doubt about it at all.

The one thing I do not agree with is the whining about Musharraf trying to work with tribals. I think that is a sensible approach..just because Jow Blow from poughkeepsie , newyork cant understand what a war in tribal areas would mean, does not mean that the approach is wrong. Joe blow should realize one simple thing, yeah it may not be exactly what US wants, but Pakistan has to watch out for its own interests as well. because eventually US will leave..well depends on the oil pipeline..but then Pakistan would have to deal with the mess left over, as it had to deal with after the soviet war.

Its funny to see opinion pundits claim Pakistan is not doing enough as Afghan fighters move between pakistan and afghanistan. But they fail to answer 2 very simple questions

  1. why does Afghanistan, and NATO forces stop them. If there is failure is shared failure.
  2. the tune is not the same as the same issue is seen with kurds going in Turkey :smiley:

champions…

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working overtime...aren't we? The justifications in ur post sound amazingly similar to the one's dished out by Min.Info after Unky Mush promoted the PEMRA Ord. Blaming the media for creating a crisis where there was none.

We keep forgetting Mush's participation in the war on terror is not something out of conviction but something forced onto him. Have we forgotten the Tariq Azeem incident?

As for the positive impacts..sure thing homey. Is that for the people to decide or the World Bank? Lets stand as civilian candidate and find out. After all, if we can vote in a heck of a lot more incompetent Benazir's and Nawaz Sharif's..y not Mush?

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United States is stuck between supporting military that fights terror to political parties that want democracy. Bush administration will stick with him, they would be making a mistake in leaving him alone in this time of uncertainity. Moreover, if the alliance happens between Benazir and Musharraf, support of United States could go a long way in restoring their faith among Pakistanis that was lost during the 90’s.

US to maintain close links with Musharraf despite criticism

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Washington has said it would continue its close links with Pakistan military ruler Pervez Musharraf’s administration despite a call by a leading US newspaper to distance itself from the embattled general.

The US State Department said Monday it had faith in “war on terror” ally Musharraf’s efforts to implement political reforms, and hoped he would keep his pledge to hold free and fair elections this year and shed his military uniform.

“We continue to work with the Musharraf government and others within the Pakistani political system to continue their process of political reforms,” department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters.

He said Musharraf, facing the biggest protests of his eight years in power, had made “some progress” in terms of political and economic reforms as well as media freedom.

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no justifications, just facts, you only see them as justifications because of where you stand yourself :)

yes and media has been blasting Pakistan for months, the scapegoating began months ago and has been pretty well orchestrated. It would be forced onto anyone really, after all pakistani govt supported taleban throughout the 90s and until 9/11 ..or actually until the war.

so its not a question of his particpation, but why he is under pressure from others. but that is a whole diff point of view.

many times people on this forum say oh you dont live in Pakistan so you dont know things in pakistan as well as someone living in pakistan :) teh same argument can be flipped in thsi case and say if you dont live in US then you dont know wats taking place here.

anyone who thinks that this whole movement is completely grassroots and does not have political partu backing and designs by US is myopic.

Dude you posted the news article as gospel, I just showed you that parts of the same news article negate your other stances :) take issue with the authors of the reports. are you now saying that you yourself dont agree with the artilces you just so proudly pasted here?

let me quote myself, maybe you missed it last time..hopfully this well help save you time from writing unnecessary bhashans.

"I am in agreement with the journalists. Pakistan needs elections as scheduled. Anyone who is qualified should be able to run for office, and people live with the results.

We need to have elections, and we need to move forward. No doubt about it at all."

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reply to ur post tomorrow..its sleep time now. :)

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abay islamabad mein sleep time raat kay 3 1/2 bajay hota hai?

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Further calls from within the US to drop Musharraf.

This time from one of the Republican parties leading think-tanks

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\06\13\story_13-6-2007_pg7_15

US interests in Pakistan larger than support for Musharraf

WASHINGTON: American interests in Pakistan are larger than one man and as Gen Musharraf’s popularity has fallen, US support for him is growing increasingly irrelevant in the current political environment, according to Lisa Curtis, the Heritage Foundation’s South Asia expert.

The Heritage Foundation, the leading conservative think-tank in Washington, has been a supporter of the Pakistani military leader and his role in the “war on terrorism.” This “breaking of ranks,” therefore is not without significance. Curtis, formerly of the CIA, has served in Pakistan for two years.

She writes in a commentary that US reluctance to speak out against curbs on civilian freedoms also risks deepening anti-American sentiment, which Islamic extremists could exploit to further their anti-American agendas. Blindly supporting Musharraf, who is seeking reelection from a five-year-old parliament, while maintaining his role as army chief, is not worth the cost. Instead, Washington should encourage and support a transition to democracy.

According to Curtis, “The US is in a position to play a positive role in encouraging a transition to civilian-led democracy in Pakistan, without backing any particular leader or party … The ideal scenario is a smooth transition to democracy, with Musharraf playing a strong role. But if Musharraf continues to respond to the current political crisis with an increasingly autocratic hand – taking away press freedoms and arresting opposition politicians and peaceful protesters – he will further undermine his credibility and lessen his chances of playing a role in any transition to civilian rule. The Bush Administration has only dealt with a military-ruled Pakistan and therefore has trouble envisioning an alternative. Throughout the 1990s, there were three power centers in Pakistan: the army, the president, and the prime minister. Today, all power is centered in one individual – President Musharraf – an inherently unstable situation for a country with a vibrant civil society and developed political parties. The Pakistani people have agitated for democracy in the past, which led the military to share power with the civilian leaders.”

Curtis recommends that US policymakers worry that a civilian-led government would not be committed to the fight against terrorism, particularly in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, but describes the fear as largely unfounded. In any new political order, the military would retain a major role in decision-making on security matters, she points out. The military, in turn, seeks to maintain its strong relationship with the US, due at least in part to large-scale military and economic assistance programs from the US, and so would continue its counter-terrorism operations. A civilian-led government with broad support from Pakistani society could even strengthen Pakistan’s support for countering terrorism, especially if part of the civilian leader’s mandate was to halt the Talibanisation of Pakistani society that has begun in the NWFP, she argues.

She concludes her analysis with the advice that the US can help bring about a peaceful transition to civilian-led democratic rule in Pakistan by continuing to speak in favor of civilian and democratic freedoms. If Washington stays in step with the evolving political situation in Pakistan and focuses on enhancing democratic institutions in the country, its credibility with the Pakistani people will grow as it works to encourage a peaceful transition to a civilian-led government representative of the Pakistani people. “The alternative – blindly supporting one ruler – would likely bring greater political instability and anti-US sentiment, a dangerous mix that could threaten US interests in the region for years to come,” she adds. khalid hasan

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ooooook.

So we agree Mush is no wonder-boy in the war on terror. He just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

to clarify, I never used that argument. Further, even if I did, is the flow of info. to and from pakistan equivalent to US and vice versa? The comparison is lop sided.

which movement?

I am not disregarding the economic miracle of 9/11. I am just saying Mush has taken the Shining India fiasco to heart. Thats all.

I read ur first post in the thread and posted a reply to it. didnt go beyond to read ur second post.

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asi I have said before on numerous occassions, he is the best of the bunch, and I am not too fond of the bunch overall. I dont see any viable alternatives and have no real interest in a change if the alternatives cant make a case for themselves. Had he been on the other side trying to get his foot in the doot I would have wanted to see a case there as well. In absence of the alternatives making a case..no detail on foriegn policy, health policy, infratsructure policy, education, business, industry, social policy...and then no plans shared to implement the policies..on what basis should I be rooting for a chane? Only thing i have to go by is past performance and current stance, and niether of those are very comforting.

rest of my post was pretty self explanatory.

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If we continue with dictatorships, we will not be left with ANY alternative, good or bad! We all wish for reasonable alternatives but the fact remains a dictatorship will never throw up any. So indirectly we r acting as an impediment to the realization of our own ideals.