Noticing a pattern/ trend

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There appears to be a trend ( or maybe this has always been true) of moderator in Religion forum being incendiary. LKK recently opened a Who is to judge thread. Some of his comments.

  1. people with different ideologies are enemies of each other.
  2. he went on to give an example of Christians undermining Muslims - thus in his opinion - reinforcing his point.
  3. he concluded - hence Islam is the only way.

Jinx, a Philosophy mod, in PA forum, stated athiests have to be subject to Islamic law - and if they don’t they are cry babies.

Granted, both LKK and Jinx are entitled to their opinion. Question for management - why are far right leaning members being the only ones chosen as mods in Religion and Philosophy? Why not choose a tolerant person who truly is respectful of all including minorities wrt religious beliefs? Why not choose Progressive and spiritual people - who spread love and peace?

Thank you.

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Jinx, a Philosophy mod, in PA forum, stated athiests have to be subject to Islamic law - and if they don't they are cry babies.
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No he didn't.

This is what he said:

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*''Islamic law dictates that people who are not muslims will have a choice to pick from their own religious rulings on the matter or Islamic ruling. There is no compulsion.
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And for those who do not believe in any religion (say atheist), they should not be cry baby and admit that the rule of the land is to be abided.''
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Second, please quote what LKK said. And if he believes Islam is the only way what's your problem with it?

Before LKK we had psyah, a chilled out Mod with Shamraz, a secular voting Pakistani. Then Lusi. Now, me and Sohaib as well. Both of us who voted for a Secular, Moderate Pakistan respectively while LKK voted for Islamic. There is diversity right there. Not that it matters one bit.

Hence what's your point? Where is a pattern? Or a trend?

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Forgot to add - goal here is to see if the general tone towards other faiths can be softened. Ones opinion is what it is. But no reason to be Us Vs Them. Be kind, humble, sensitive to EVERYONE.Understand that esp as Religion and Philosophy mod, your words matter.

Wishing both LKK and Jinx many many years at this or higher position. Hope this comment / observation is taken as a constructive comment. So one can go those forums and not have to encounter what to some may be offensives. I am out.

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Shak I wont waste time discussing with you. Any other mod CM I will work with. Not you. No offense. It is a waste of my time and yours.

For any other Admin I paraphrased from memory what Jinx said. The second para on atheists confirm what I stated. I don't know how to cut and paste with Kindle Fire.

For LKK I have provided name of thread. I don't know how to cut and paste with Fire.

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Understand that esp as Religion and Philosophy mod, your words matter.
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Shak I wont waste time discussing with you. Any other mod CM I will work with. Not you. No offense. It is a waste of my time and yours.
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LKK and Jinx have been nothing but polite.

As for your second comment, you show all the Mods pretty much the same love, today its me, then LKK, then Jinx, then muqawee, then the Director etc.

When you actually have evidence of any wrong-doing or racist insulting by a Moderator please do let me or the Admins know so we can revist this thread. Making wild accusations like you did without proof, both of them proved to be clear lies, now *that's *offensive.

Thanks.

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feedback

In my previous feedback I did not say LKK or Jinx were impolite. As usual Shak was high handed in his response. And predictable closed the thread.

Way to go. Now I am out.

Thank you.

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Granted, both LKK and Jinx are entitled to their opinion.** Question for management - why are far right leaning members being the only ones chosen as mods in Religion and Philosophy? Why not choose a tolerant person who truly is respectful of all including minorities wrt religious beliefs? **Why not choose Progressive and spiritual people - who spread love and peace?
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That's right, you called them far right, peace and progress hating people.

Please stop spamming. As I said if you have anything more to add, i.e. conclusive proof that any Mods are racist contact the Admins.

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really now?accusing me of spamming when i have a

Accusing me of slamming when I have a legitimate concern is a reflection of your high handedness.

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Ok Southie, I will tell you my views with different approach so that your twisting of my opinion is evident and next time you do not end up putting your pre conceived notions down in someone else's throat, theek? :)

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Jinx, a Philosophy mod, in PA forum, stated athiests have to be subject to Islamic law - and if they don't they are cry babies.
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That's not what I said.

As Shak has already quoted my exact words, your paraphrasing is simply taking my point out of context.

I essentially said, if Islamic law is law of land, then, athiest should have no problem accepting it as the law of the land since religion does not matter to them so it should not matter if the law came from religious rulings or from man-made legislature.

What I said in regards to Islamic law being imposed on non-muslims was actually the point, where I said:

1) Islamic law dictates that non-muslims have option to choose either their religious ruling or Islamic ruling.

2) In the very context, atheists don't have a choice to pick a law of their liking. They have to accept law of land which happens to be in this example, Islamic Law.

What's wrong with that understanding?

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Point is.

If i disagree with the POV then the person is biased and not suitable for the position.

teri zulf main puhanchi tau husn kehlaie
wo terigi jo meray nama e seyah main hay

LKK and Jinx are doin great job. :)

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Thanks for your feedback, Southie. While GupShup is a forum created and dominated by Muslim Pakistanis, it has always enforced the policy that you seem to be worried about - that everyone should be respectful to others regardless of their beliefs and opinions. Here it is in clear writing from our policies thread:

“While respectful posting is expected for topics related to Islam, the same principle applies to discussions about all faiths. Informative discussions about other faiths to help gain a better understanding or share ideas is fine, but insults or in any way disparaging or disrespectful posts are not permitted.”

Moderators have always been held to higher scrutiny with regards to all our policies and general code of conduct as they’re the ones who’re supposed to be setting the standards for everyone else. So if a team member was being hateful towards people of different faiths, he wouldn’t be a team member any more, I can assure you that. I’m not going to name names but we’ve had to let people go previously for similar reasons. Not to mention the countless extremists we’ve warned/banned for their hate speech against other nationalities, religions, races etc.

Coming to LKK and Jinx, while they don’t claim to be secularist liberals like yourself, they’re by no means incendiaries and far-right extremists either. To suggest that they are not respectful and tolerant people is quite outrageous. Does that mean anyone who doesn’t agree with secular liberalism is a radical extremist who does not promote love and peace?

The Religion forum was originally created for the purpose of answering people’s queries related to Islam. Though the forum has evolved since then and we have discussions on a wide variety of topics, the overriding theme of the forum remains the same. When we hire moderators, we prefer someone who is knowledgeable in the special interest group of the forum. Therefore, moderators of the religion forum are usually those with interest and knowledge in religion, especially Islam, because this forum mainly caters to Muslim Pakistanis or those interested in Pakistan or Islam.

That is not to say we cannot hire moderators who are non-Muslims or non-Pakistanis. While technically it doesn’t make sense to hire someone with no interest in religion as a religion mod, we will surely consider hiring a diverse group of people for the said forums so that everyone can benefit by learning about different perspectives. We have Americans, Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Muslims, Hindus, Sindhis, Punjabis serving in the team right now and previously secularists and atheists have happily served in the team for a long time, their views have never been held against them. We take pride in being a diverse team of people.

Hope this puts your concerns to rest.

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Dear Jinx

First I would like to reiterate LKK and you have always been polite. Have not implied you are not. As for whay you stated you may want to see Shak post 2 where he quoted you. See 2nd para. You givecnon Muslims a choice. Since you advocate Islamic law, you have given atheists no choice. And yes - you did call them a cry baby for nit willing to accept Islamic law. You have sanitized below what you stated.

To be clear, bao bihari advocated Islamic law on everyone. You clarified non Muslims can have their own law. But athiests have no choice and should not be cry babies. For verification folks can go to PA What kind of Pakistan do you wish for and read posts ~ 360 to 370. God I wish I was smart enough to paste those posts here.

Anyway I appreciate the opportunity to clarify - and appreciate the thread - closed by Shak - has been reopened.

I will state I can learn being polite from LKK and you. Even if I don't agree with your views :). To me this is positive. I got to express my concern. And I have no doubt outcome will be positive.

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Dear Huma,

I was wrong in the use of the word incendiary. I also referred to them as far- right leaning. I did not call them extremists. But more I think about it, implicit in the use of incendiary was extremist. So I agree with you that I was taking an extremely neg stance that was not warranted.

The overall message stands. Calling folks who disagree with each other ENEMIES as LKK did, calling athiests cry babies if they don’t accept Islamic law ( which he advocates) as Jinx did, to any reasonable person, would appear to be far right leaning.

That was my main message. I understand your explanation.

Much respect ( and I mean it). You have demonstrated unequivocally what fairness is all about.

As for my friend Muqawee, if I was rude to you, my sincere apologies. I thought it was part of a vigorous debate.

Peace!

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You need not say it, it is generally understood that right-wingers are extremists. Anyway, glad you understand the explanation and also that this discussion took place. It just goes to show how thoroughly team members are scrutinized by others for their every word and so it’s a good reminder for all to communicate sensitively at all times.

Thanks.