What would Pakistan be like if it was not an Islamic Republic?
What if you could practice any religion you wanted to without persecution?
Would we be better off than we are now?
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If Pakistan was an Islamic republic, we won't have so much crime, hatred, corruption, cheating and lies going on in the first place. Its just the name.... like for many of us Muslims, the connection with Islam is that we were born into Muslim families. It wouldn't really matter what system you adopt or what name you choose for your country as long as the custodians of that system are selfish and corrupt.
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Kaka makes a fair point.
If Pakistan was not an Islamic republic I would devote my life to making it one. 
As it stands it’s Islamic in name only but theres nothing wrong with an Islamic republic in fact a proper Islamic republic is a good thing in my opinion as it would help really put things into perspective and show one where we stand.
Well i would practice the same religion but ensure others were just as free to practice thier faith and safeguard them, however I would like mutal respect for all faiths too 
Not really, most important thing is as bhutto once said “Rotee, Kapraa, Makaan.” Food clothing and a good home. However to a nomad like me my belief is also important to the extent that it crosses national boundaries and reaches out beyond mere nationalistic sentiment.
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What would Pakistan be like if it was not an Islamic Republic? What if you could practice any religion you wanted to without persecution? Would we be better off than we are now?
Pakistan may be an Islamic republic but not an ideal Islamic republic. An ideal Islamic republic is actually a republic where one can practice any religion one wants, without persecution and force.
In such environment where there are no government interference in religion (and religious matters), Islam grows and prosper as teaching of Islam is logical and rational (if we exclude concocted Islam of Kharjees and misguided beliefs). Actually, it is teaching of Islam that if one finds anything illogical and absurd, one should not consider that Islamic, regardless of the source. Thus, in environment where all religions are equal (as far as government is concerned), people interested in religion/beliefs discuss beliefs with each other without fear of persecution (by state or people around them), and in such open discussions the religion/beliefs that is more logical and rational get accepted and spread, and one that is illogical and absurd loses out.
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calling ourselves Islamic Republic is like Ibrahim Dawood adding the word Masoom to his name.
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What would Pakistan be like if it was not an Islamic Republic? What if you could practice any religion you wanted to without persecution? Would we be better off than we are now?
well then it would be like India. here you are free to follow any religion/god, criticize any religion/god, call yourself god, create your own religion ,mix few religions or follow your own interpretation of any religion.
Since we are geographically and culturally similar , pakistan would have been pretty close to what india is today.
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Since we are geographically and culturally similar , pakistan would have been pretty close to what india is today.
Yeah I have to say the biggest reason for partition was religion... but I am happy for our countries to be seperate on that issue as history has shown we were never going to get along with Qaid E Azam and Iqbal on one side... Nehru and Shastry types on the other and poor Ghandi wedged in between...
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but none of those folks that you mention faris were going to live forever.
would it be wrong to suggest that all is not lost and that if our focus on religion is eliminated then we might be able to progress as a nation?
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but none of those folks that you mention faris were going to live forever. would it be wrong to suggest that all is not lost and that** if our focus on religion is eliminated** then we might be able to progress as a nation?
well that will solve half the world's problems , wont it?
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I refer to Iqbal on this and I agree with him… Qaum mazhab say hain…
My Qaumiyat is decided by Islam i’m afraid I am happy for both nations to work together with mutual respect theres no reason they can’t but at the same time we have to hold onto the only salvation we have at least thats what I believe.
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What would Pakistan be like if it was not an Islamic Republic? What if you could practice any religion you wanted to without persecution? Would we be better off than we are now?
This topic has been discussed many times in past on this forum with different thread headings. I think recently a poll was also held on the same subject.
Pakistan was created due to domination of muslim population through elections in 1947. We were wrongly taught in the history books that pakistan was creation of "do qaumi nazria" which I consider it was fraud and lie. Quaid-e-Azam him self was secular person his vision of Pakistan was secular state with Islam being practiced by majority. "do qaumi nazria" ultimately failed in 1971 when majoirty of bengali muslims left and broke Quaid's Pakistan. Remaining Pakistan can only survive as secular state there is absolutely no other option. Its name should be changed to "Demoratic Republic of Pakistan" or simply Pakistan and constitution be changed accordingly.
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well then it would be like India.
Or it could be like Turkey, which is a secular democratic country with the predominant religion being Islam.
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For your information my friend the latest trend in turkey seems to suggest that the public want to actually revive thier Islamic identity many recent events have led to a lot of soul searching in Turkey right now… and Attaturk would be turning in his grave when he hears they want to re-introduce the old Osmanlica script. 
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well then it would be like India. here you are free to follow any religion/god, criticize any religion/god, call yourself god, create your own religion ,mix few religions or follow your own interpretation of any religion.
Since we are geographically and culturally similar , pakistan would have been pretty close to what india is today.
That is not true. In India, state do interferes with religion and people generally interfere with religion, both interfere forcefully regardless of laws. Hindu-Muslim riots, Hindu-Christian riots, Hindu-Sikh riots, ‘upper cast’-‘lower cast’ Hindu riots, and bias attitude of state police in those riots, all speaks volume about how much religious freedom is there in India. Bias attitude of State towards recruitment of non-Hindus is also other facts that expose Indian freedom of religion.
From non-interfering state in religious matter is not a state that says it does not interfere, but state that takes crime against other humans equally, just like any other crime, even when it is done in the name of religion.
I bet you could not criticise Hindu beliefs demanding answers in India without someone becoming physical and state preferring to look other way, and in same way I believe you would not be able to criticise Muslim beliefs in India demanding answers without someone becoming physical.
Quaid-e-Azam was once in Congress, but after seeing them and their attitudes, he thought that if Muslims would be living in India they would suffer in the hands of Hindu majority in various ways, even when those suffering would not be officially condoned. He also feared that Hindu majority government would impose Hindu bias laws in the name of Nationalism, as that is what congress was doing in Congress controlled provinces before independence, and later in India after independence. Unfortunately, Quaid-e-Azam did not realise that many Muslims had same evil extremist faces rather worse than what Hindus had, and to show that ugly faces Muslim needed a chance of domination that they got in Pakistan, so now they are doing the same in Pakistan. Faces of these Muslim extremist were so evil and ugly that even Muslims in Pakistan are not safe from their fitna.
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What would Pakistan be like if it was not an Islamic Republic? What if you could practice any religion you wanted to without persecution? Would we be better off than we are now?
Then we would be following the vision of Quaid e Azam. A country where minorities are allowed 100% freedom and the state is not concerned with the matters of its citizens. It doesn't matter what your caste, creed, religion, ethnicity is.
Then people from my religion like Asia Bibi and the people who faced the Gojra riots could be living in peace right now.
Mullahs would not have been so deadly then. A Governor who spoke out for a minority might have still been alive.
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A very low percentage want an Islamic State in Turkey. Just recently the government wanted to add a new bill concerning the purchases of alcohol but the Turkish people came out on the streets with alcohol bottles protesting against the proposed bill.
Sort of like how Mullahs and extremists came out on the streets in Pakistan protesting to release the killer Mumtaz Qadri and keep blasphemy law so minorities can be continued to be persecuted.
Have you heard of Zakir Naik? He criticized Hindu beliefs, ridiculing them and insulting them. He continues to live a free and healthy life in Mumbai right now. India has blasphemy law too but that blasphemy law does not call for the death penalty. Its a fine and maybe a few days in jail. And it’s for every religion, so if you insult Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism or any religion then you might be fined.
Muslims in India have their own Shariah law, the law in India forbids polygamy but special laws for Muslims allow them to have more than 1 wife.
Yes India is not perfect but they are doing a much better job then us when it comes to protecting the people, specially minorities. In India a person of any religion can become the head of state. In Pakistan the constitution demands a Muslim.
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That is not true. In India, state do interferes with religion and people generally interfere with religion, both interfere forcefully regardless of laws. Hindu-Muslim riots, Hindu-Christian riots, Hindu-Sikh riots, ‘upper cast’-‘lower cast’ Hindu riots, and bias attitude of state police in those riots, all speaks volume about how much religious freedom is there in India. Bias attitude of State towards recruitment of non-Hindus is also other facts that expose Indian freedom of religion.
From non-interfering state in religious matter is not a state that says it does not interfere, but state that takes crime against other humans equally, just like any other crime, even when it is done in the name of religion.
I bet you could not criticise Hindu beliefs demanding answers in India without someone becoming physical and state preferring to look other way, and in same way I believe you would not be able to criticise Muslim beliefs in India demanding answers without someone becoming physical.
Quaid-e-Azam was once in Congress, but after seeing them and their attitudes, he thought that if Muslims would be living in India they would suffer in the hands of Hindu majority in various ways, even when those suffering would not be officially condoned. He also feared that Hindu majority government would impose Hindu bias laws in the name of Nationalism, as that is what congress was doing in Congress controlled provinces before independence, and later in India after independence. Unfortunately, Quaid-e-Azam did not realise that many Muslims had same evil extremist faces rather worse than what Hindus had, and to show that ugly faces Muslim needed a chance of domination that they got in Pakistan, so now they are doing the same in Pakistan. Faces of these Muslim extremist were so evil and ugly that even Muslims in Pakistan are not free from their fitna.
See your are derailing the topic here. i never said india is a perfect example of secular democracy. i just made a point that pakistan would be just like india. It makes perfact sense , india and pakistan are culturally similar and hence they would have taken same trajectory if they had same system. there is nothing genetic different in hindu or muslim dna.
Or another example could be bangladesh, it is also a secular country with muslim majority, may be pakistan could have been like that since bangladesh was a part of pakistan not too long ago.
but i will say this with no doubt in my mind, in india you have all the religious freedom of the world. religious Flexibility and all assimilative culture has made this country what it is today. You can find every religion under the sun here and many more being born in regular intervals.
Plus there are no questions to be answered in hindu beliefs. and even if you ask no body cares. people write books criticizing different gods. nobody takes religion that seriously.
And regarding jinnah , it is a different topic. what he thought , how much he was right and what he got is totally different issue.
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@ 1947
Your right it's still a low percentage of practicing Muslims but no one can deny that Turkey itself is facing an identity crisis over the issue.. we shall have to wait and see what comes of it. However Muslims across the world are seriously stuck with the choice between secular and Islamic system... right now Turkey, Iran and Pakistan are at the forefront of the revival of the Ummah and two out of the three classic Muslim powers are islamic states... with Indonesia possibly trying to join them soon :)
As for Alchohol my Turkish cousins and our mutual ancestors were always fond of Alchohol even when we were fervent defenders of the Faith this is not a new thing... but change comes gradually :@:
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Islamic Republic of Canada? :D