North Korea pre-empts sanctions

As much as I despise the commies… this is an very interesting way for a nation to handle the threat of UN sanctions.

I would be unsurprised if this is not a bluff… Kim Jong Il’s father did, after all, wage war against the United Nations for 3 years before. Maybe the son thinks he can pull off the same stunt as his old man and hopes China will one more pull his fat out of the pan once it starts fryings…

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/asia/12koreacnd.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

North Korea warned today that it will regard increased pressure from the United States as a “declaration of war” that will be met with “physical measures,” as Japan announced tough new sanctions against the country.

The new, unilateral measures by Japan will bar North Korean ships from Japanese ports, cut off all imports of goods from North Korea and restrict the flow of travelers between the two countries, Yasuhisa Shiozaki, Japan’s cabinet secretary, told reporters, according to news services.

North Korea’s threats come a day after the United States picked up crucial support from China, North Korea’s closest ally, which said that it would support punitive sanctions in response to Sunday’s blast, although not necessarily the measures the Bush administration is seeking.

In a statement carried by the official North Korean news agency, the country’s foreign ministry declared today that “if the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases the pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures.”

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So what can they do?

If they launch a missle anywhere close to the US, all the lights go out up north, and refugees flood China. What exactly do you think Pompador Boy can do?

There are only two valid threats that NK has. The first is artillery bombardment of Seoul. The second is commando raids on Seoul. 24/7 flights of B-2s would put them back into the stone ages. The problem is that a bombardment of Seoul would cause hundreds of thousands of deaths in the first day.

More than likely they are creating distractions. Winter is coming, fuel has been expensive. The harvest was poor due to a typhoon in the middle of growing season. Blaming the US for conditions in the North has been a chronic trick to convince the poor impoverished people of the North that the US is to blame for their hunger and cold. It takes the heat off the regime.

Today the Japanese cut off all NK imports to Japan. They essentially banned all people from NK from coming to Japan including all shipping. That amounts to around 200Mil of hard currency to the North that they will not have to buy food, fuel oil and hairspray for the Dear Leader.

I say offer him some hair transplants and liposuction in exchange for his Nukes,
shoot, throw in all the Scotch he can drink, and a seat at the Cannes Film Festival. He should go for that right?

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NK sees SK and the USA being as one... they would attack across the dimilitarised zone.

NK doesn't have the means to deliver any meaningful attack attack on the US mainland (a couple of missiles on west coast cities will accomplish very little, assuming they manage to hit). Therefore the only option they have is a conventional military assault.

By threatening to do this, they are expecting SK to put pressure on the US to back off NK.

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Well, let them have at it. There is nothing that can be done to change lil kims paranoid mind. The South Koreans have been laboring under the delusion that their “Sunshine” policy can breed warmth and friendship between the north and south. OOOpps. Here is a pretty good editorial from the Chosen Ilbo:

** South Korea’s Survival Strategy After the Nuclear Test
**
North Korea carried out a nuclear test. It closed its ears to the international community’s warning that the day after the test will see a “very different world.” At 10:35 am, Oct. 9, an artificial tremor from an underground nuclear test at Musudan-ri, Hwadae County, North Hamgyeong Province, North Korea was detected, the bridge linking North Korea with the world community was broken. The chance for the one-to-one negotiation with the U.S. the North was so desperate to get, has vanished completely. The path that could have led to an acknowledgement of the North Korean government by the international community along with normal status and economic aid from it, is now helplessly obscured. Twenty-three million North Koreans have to continue a long march of hardship and starvation.

South Korea, too, is driven into “a very different world.” From now on, the South has to confront nuclear-armed North Korea with conventional military might. South Korea is naked and helpless before the North’s nuclear weapons. What can protect South Korea from the North’s nuclear threat is only the nuclear umbrella of our ally the U.S. It is the flag of independence and the slogan of “one nation” this government has persistently waved and shouted in the past three-and-a-half years that have brought us to this pass.

But South Korea’s only ally, the U.S., is no longer the ally it once was. Under this administration, the chains of the alliance have rusted and its walls cracked. Will the government continue to push through with independent exercise of operational control over our forces even in this situation because the president said, “Our sole exercise of wartime operational control has nothing to do with North Korea’s nuclear test?” Will the administration thereby let the country and its people with no adequate protection clash with North Korean nuclear weapons? The administration must make a decision.

Northeast Asia, too, faces “a very different world.” That North Korea has nuclear devices will bring rearmament in Japan. Japan’s rearmament will cause China to boost its defenses. And so on. In order for the whole region not to become an explosive warehouse, the international community must remove the detonator, North Korea’s nuclear weapons. It is in this sense that Washington said it cannot live with a nuclear-armed North Korea under the same sky. The UN Security Council will initiate sanctions against Pyongyang under Charter 7 of the UN Charter, permitting military action. Pressure against the North will continue until it takes its hands off nuclear weapons completely or the North Korean regime falls. The North’s survival strategy relying on nuclear weapons is, in fact, an act of suicide. The problem is whether the North Korean regime intends to drag South Korea along as a partner in its demise.

For eight years since the Kim Dae-jung administration assumed office, South Korea has hung on only to the Sunshine Policy, which two successive administrations claimed to be the only way to let North Korea abandon its nuclear program. The president said in November, “North Korea will give up nuclear weapons because it needs world aid for its economic development. The North’s strategy to induce international community support by using nuclear devices has a reason.” He anticipated the North would fire not missiles, but an artificial satellite. The president and his associates were either ignorant of the essence of the North Korean regime or saw a phantom, shrouded by the “ideology of self-reliance.” As a consequence, the death or life of the entire 70 million compatriots is pushed into a nuclear valley.

Standing away from the international community’s joint posture toward Pyongyang, this administration insisted to the end on resolving the North Korean nuclear standoff through a “comprehensive approach” under Seoul’s leadership. But North Korea didn’t pay any attention to it. While this administration wandered alone in search of an infeasible goal, the North prepared a nuclear test. Had South Korea sent a clear message in unison with the international community to the North, “Nuclear possession is a road to death” even once, we wouldn’t feel so vain.

url: http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200610/200610100018.html

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From where I see it, the North Koreans are trying too hard to do everything that works out great for the USA!!

South Koreans have been really pissed off by the US troops presence.. The population leans more towards China now than Japan and there have been murmurs of reunification with the North.

The negative sentiments of the South Koreans AND the US need for troops for Iraq Afghanistan has led to cuts in troop levels in South Korea with more planned.

It's inconceivable that the US would want to leave that region, so now they will probably have the poor South Koreans asking them to stay instead of protesting for them to leave!

Good Job Kim.... couple of crates of Hennesy Cognac are on their way..

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Contine the push for sanctions but overall pass the buck to Japan, China, and S. Korea who North Korea's action will disrupt the most. No need for the U.S. to take the lead on this one at this point.

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Could the be the prelude to Kim's last stand?

If North Korea is resorting to bullying now, better to face it down today than tomorrow when it has minituarised its nukes enough to put them on missiles that can reach Tokyo.

Imagine a future where North Korea declared that unless all other countries stop having restrictions against it, it will attack.

North Korea has to be taken down now, because the longer we wait the stronger it will get. The Korean War is unfinished business..... time to conclude that chapter.
Call North Korea's bluff and bring on the sanctions.

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Here's an interesting thought. If North Korea does invade South Korea, then which theatre needs US troops more?

Iraq? Korea? Afghanistan?

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What about Pakistan? Doesn't Bush need troops to send into Pakistan to capture Al-bin La-Deen?

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I think the US has a new policy… try and outlast him and then claim victory when he dies and they are still around :cb:

Statistically speaking, countries survive longer than individuals :halo:

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Maddy,

First, the South Korean military is nothing to sneeze at. They are a very robust force. Second, the biggest threat to Seoul is the 10,000 artillery tubes dug into the mountains in North Korea. Those tubes could let loose a hundred thousand shells per hour, many have the range to hit Seoul which is only 25 miles from the border. Millions could die in the first day of the conflict.

The US and SK military have counter battery radar, and they would pound any artillery emplacement, but it could take a number of shots before a tube is silenced. The US and South Korea would launch MLRS systems in massive volleys. Because of the hair trigger nature of that conflict, both sides would be shooting within minutes, and escallation could happen before politicians are even notified. SK and US would be acting on standing orders, and may be fully involved for an hour before Kofi Annan has his first chance to be inept. The risk of a fully involved conflict developing instantaneously is very high, and any fight is likely to be massively deadly almost instantly.

As much as the US would like to Bi*ch slap Pompadour boy, he is effectively holding Seoul hostage. If they evacuate Seoul, the game is on.

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The only people going to loose are the south koreans.. they dont want a war.. and they would be the one suffering the most.