For centuries ‘war’ has some established norms, like the timings of war and an unarmed soldier must not be attacked, conditions of cease-fire were dictated in many world fame epics. These norms are reframed in UNO charters.
Though these norms and principals of war are often ignored.
The picture at any public coffee house at Tel Aviv, a teenage Muslim youth blows up himself, killing some civilians including some women and children.
As per the Holy Quran to get killed in a just war (jihad) is heaven worthy. (Quran does not say to commit suicide at war.)
Is the sacrifice of the teenage youth remarkable and religious?
I don't know what you want to discuss. I am not a "pro-suicide bombing", but all the atrocities committed by men in uniform are not any different either.
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Is the sacrifice of the teenage youth remarkable and religious?
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You know what they say, All is fair in love and war. Those rules in this mass destructive age is insignificant.
The sacrifice of a teenager purposely blowing himself up in the cause of Islam is not only ignorant but it is frowned upon. Allah did not ask us to kill ourselves. However, if we die in battle (keyword: battle, were you actually fight than take the cowards way out) and your life is taken, then you have attained Shahadah.
There are rules of Qital, the word is not really Jihad, you can find them if you search, especially in hadith. There is a whole section on rules that must be followed, and killing innocent civilians is not a part of it.
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There are rules of Qital, the word is not really Jihad, you can find them if you search, especially in hadith. There is a whole section on rules that must be followed, and killing innocent civilians is not a part of it.
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Afsoz ki baath ye hai ki, people who take the pains to realise that killing innocents was not a part of jihad or Qital, and that suicide bombing is actually cowardly eyc, are those who would have been least likely to do it in the first place.
The words of the Koran are more or less twisted to fit the meanings these people want to convey....
"Free"thinker, Try to think a little more freely next time, i.e., try to think past whatever the mainstream media outlets spoonfeed us.
Jihad doesn’t mean ‘holy war’. It means ‘struggle’ or ‘striving’. It is part of the struggle each individual undertakes in order to better her/himself. Someone who is trying to quit smoking, someone who is trying not to lie about something, someone who vows not to steal, someone who simply engages in the day-to-day struggle to be a better human being, a better insaan - it can be said that that person is undergoing jihad. And yes there is the external aspect to it of engaging in a military campaign in order to achieve specific goals. If you are going to try to paint a picture of a sword-wielding crazy turbaned Muslim guy here going around chopping peoples’ heads off, sorry - history will not back you up. Maybe you were referring to the Crusades undertaken by select Christian rulers centuries ago, or the Spanish Inquisition?
These most of the blowing up teenagers and of elder age call themselves ‘mujahideens’ and in most of the cases they do so for the cause of Islam, and in many cases these Musjahideens are not at all sufferers of any atrocities.
Are they fair misguided youth (to the extent that they die for nothing) or Islam is really a force for them?
Munni, thanks for information re Qital, why all Mujahideen organizations make noise of Jihad or Holy Jihad?
Munni, thanks for information re Qital, why all Mujahideen organizations make noise of Jihad or Holy Jihad?
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Cause they are uneducated (and I dont mean they cant read) like a lot of other folks, including myself. Jihad is a struggle, so they use it in terms of military struggle, though the correct word is Qital. Semantics. Think about it, a lot of these groups dont follow what Islam truly says, so its obvious they are uneducated/misguided.
jest asking, isn't jihad one of the 5 pillars of islam.
ie. waging war is manditory?...
Maybe as new tecqs come in....ppl adopt new ways of war and retailiation...in that context sucide bombings does fit in the 'jihad' ideology. In days of your prophet , there were no bombs, so blowing oneself up was out of question...One can not follow theory like -A for apple.
Rules have to change with time...the essence of Jihad, still remains.
