Nonmuslims who live to Irritate Muslims

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I’ve seen it on this site myself - you guys know who you are.

I dont understand it really. The same people who talk about how intolerant Islam is or how bad it is, etc, are the same ones badmouthing the religion in the face of muslims who are completely at ease practicing their religion.

If you really believed in tolerance, then why not bloody tolerate the idea that many Pakistanis are muslims?

Why is it that “tolerant” nonmuslims are the ones that ironically, label Islam as “fundamentalist”? Isn’t that a bit intolerant? Isn’t that called “hypocritical”?

I’m really annoyed with it. If you dont believe in Islam, fine. Don’t believe in it. But then dont come onto a muslim populated board and talk bad about it. Criticize governmental actions - fine. But why label Islam as being “fundamentalist”?

These people say they are actually attacking muslim individuals who distort Islam. But, by calling Islam “fundamentalist” and “extreme”, aren’t they really attacking the religion itself?

I dont understand what the big deal is about. Islam is suffering way too much on the account of a small, pretty much minute fraction of muslims who are off conducting their suicide bombing attacks, and other such “violent” acts. This is not a majority of muslims, its a slim minority.

I wish our muslim leaders would do a better job in containing these idiots that are making our religion look so bad!

Suicide bombers, muta’a - ing men, polygamy abusers…what next?

Gah.

People, please grow up. Really.

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Back in Karachi, I used to see imam-e-masjid of our neighbourhood in every salah.. Used to talk to him a lot.. He is from Dera Ismail Khan and M.A. in Islamic Studies; Associate Professor of Islamic Studies in Karachi Intermediate board.... A quite highly educated person... I know him since I was about 6-7 years old..

He told me one thing once... He said be proud of being FUNDAMENTALIST (Bunyaad Parast) if you are being labelled one... The whole building of Islam is upon its FOUNDATION (Bunyaad)

Without such fundamental of the deen, there is no religion but only your limited brain ... Without Deen, there is NO right and there is NO Wrong; there is always a popular opinion... You are always in search of truth with that theory in hand.. while those who are fundamentalists have reached the truth ...

Ignore such people PCG :)

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agreed. they ask not to be judgemental while doing that samething themselves. the sad part is the tolerance of idiots on this site by admins themselves and other so called liberal/secular muslims. apparently, they are contributers of "meaningful" posts on this forum especially when their posts contains curses n swears.

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3000 dead draws our attention. Welcome to blowback.

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amazing eh, 3000 dead draws the attention while millions killed in hiroshima and iraq doesnt.

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nonmuslims irritate muslims simple solution really dont rise to there comments they will soon bugger off to where they came from.

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[Edited]… new jihad count me in.

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PCG, you come to a Male dominated site and call them pigs. What’s the difference there? And the slut will write all kinda garbage in her diary about other peoples’ kids, what’s the difference there? You grow up yourself before asking others to. Good to have you back.

:jhanda:

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soor ca-- Actually in Hiroshima and Nagasaki there were around 360 thousand killed in each explosion. Do a little homework and you will find that this is a small fraction of the innocents killed by the Imperial Japanese.

"From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably almost 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture (such as the view that those enemy soldiers who surrender while still able to resist were criminals). "

This is precisely what irritates me, and why I love to be a thorn in the side of the participants here. Damn near every Muslim here can pop off with an Anti-American comment like yours. You must be taught at a very young age the ABCs of anti-American hate. On the other hand if you had any knowledge of history, you would find that the Imperial Japanese killed millions in forced labor camps, and in one month of slaughter killed 300,000 people in the Chinese city of Nanking alone. If you had any historical knowlege, you would be THANKING Americans for dying so that the world was rid of an expansionist murdering regime. You have your facts and priorities so backwards that it is unbelievable, and you are so blithely ignorant of facts, and full of moral superiority that it makes me want to barf.

If this “irritates” Muslims, frankly bite me. The Anti-Americanism displayed here needs to be challenged. It has become the bedrock of Muslim politics, and it is misplaced.

Jo Zair-e-Lab Muskura Rahay Ho..
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What's the beef with labeling Islam and Muslims as fundamentalist? Isn't it true? A fundamentalist isn't necessarily an extremist, but an extremist is generally a fundamentalist.

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PCG Even though I edited my initial post, because the emotions on this forum are running pretty high lately due to a riot gone bad. Hoever I just to comment on the title of your thread
"Non Muslims who live to irritate muslims"

IMHO Non muslims dont live to irritate muslims, Non muslims could give fk less about what muslims do as long as non-muslims are not subjected to un-due hardships, it is the annoying muslims that cause non-muslims enough irritation that NMs lash out.

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^ i am repeating myself but spoken like a true non muslim.

As for the topic at hand, inactive imagination and plenty of time on hands is my guess. OG and seminole will do the job of finding a noble justification for this behaviour. Matsui will probably do a better job of bringing offensive behaviour to light. Your thread will basically give them a place to co miserate. They are here to supposedly give us a taste of our own medicine , we prejudiced people!! the evil of the earth!! we are being taught a lesson on public forum :hehe:

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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=183027
Enjoy the sermon.

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OG,
WWI and WWII resulted in the death of over 100million people. These wars were fought primarily by Europeans with their allies from the US, Japan and others.

What amazes me about your jaundiced and sanitized knowledge of history is how easily you forget to mention the European atrocities. Bombing of Dresden, bombing of Tokyo resulted in many more deaths than the two atomic explosions. As for the moral dilemma with using atomic weapons on a non-nuclear state at the brink of surrender, well Iam sure you have some loyal intellectual excuse to justify such a inhuman act.

Japs may be guilty of killing millions, but surely European history starting from its first crusade is replete with unparralleled genocidal tendencies against all other religions and ethnic societies. So please spare us, poor third world muslim countries your superfluous moral superiority time check…

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Verizon do these sermons give your life a meaning? you seem live on them infact thrive on them.

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Ohioguy, thanks for like the one of few intelligent posts here. You mention about anti-American sentiment. Its a fact and that exists, but it exists in not just muslim countries. Even Europe is increasingly getting to be anti-American. And what is wrong wtih Americans (I am one myself, you know), looking at our own policies and questioning them? Even Americans that live in America, many of them (not all of course), are questioning American foreign policy. You saw the last election and how the two sides were butting heads even within the US.

That being said, I am not saying that muslims are excused for suicide bombings etc. They're not. But again, that is something that muslims are doing. Islam is not promoting such actions, and it never has.

So what is anyone accomplishing by throwing stones at one another? The pro-US policy American says that Islam is bad, when they should really just say that muslims are bad. Instead they're actually maligning Islam when they refer to Islam as a fundamentalist religion. And no doubt about it, many commentators here in the US think that Islam is the main problem, and they're very clear about that position.

Like I said, if you disagree with Islam, if you dont want to believe it, then fine. But don't falsely accuse the RELIGION in that it promotes violence and intolerance. Because then, frankly, your religious knowledge is next to nothing. You chose to manipulate a few verses to your liking, and that approach only makes the anti-American sentiment grow stronger. So why shoot yourself in the foot?

I dont recall muslims ever saying that Christianity and Judaism (that is religious texts, etc) are the ones promoting violence. No one ever said its the religion that incites people to do what they do. I personally acknowledge that if anyone acts violently and even says something violently (even so much as a gaali), its not their religion that is the source of the violence. It is the individual himself/herself.

Madhanee: Yes, I call guys pigs. But I sure dont attribute that to religion. I never said that Islam claims that men are pigs. Just like Islam does not say that men are pigs, it also does not say that women are inferior. Therefore, if a guy calls women inferior, I openly tell them that its their own opinion and not Islam's stance. And I openly acknoledge that "men are pigs" is my personal stance.

Ranjhan: You're so not going to get anywhere with that violent language. You're no better than the guy who refers to Islam as "fundamentalist" and "violent".

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^^ The US wanted no part in any of these conflicts. It was years until we joined in, the same as WWI. Until our territory was attack, we stayed out. That is precisely the issue with 9/11. Sometimes in history you have to look at the nature of WHAT we were fighting, and ask yourself how different things would be if we had failed. It would be a truely ugly world.

But if I tell a Muslim that more innocents were slaughtered in Bangledesh in 1971 by Pakistan than were killed in Nagaski and Hiroshima combined, everybodies eyes glaze over. That kind of denial, lack of knowledge and moral hipocrisy are astounding.

PCG, there is absolutely nothing wrong in questioning policies. I have a personal list of mistakes. The Shah of Iran, Noriega, lots of activities in Latin America, Abu Ghraib,we have made lots of blunders. But the nature of a Democracy is to adapt. We may be wrong, but come the next election everything is questioned and put on the table. It is a self-righting mechanism. But to me, and to nearly every American, the defeat of Communism, the defeat of Fascism, and the defeat of Imperial Japan are points of honor, and show the goodness and sacrifice of Americans. The energy of the world economy has been largely ignited by America. Nobody is asking for love because of all of this, just balance.

What you percieve as attempts to "irritate" you is often a defense of ourselves, or wonder at the depth of Anti Americanism. It is a fact, that France and Russia contributed far more to Saddam than the US, we contribute 1 or 2% of his financing and his weapons. But France and Russia get a free ride. I have a picture of Chirac touring a French Biological weapons factory for God sake. But if you ask a Mulsim, Saddam was the USs boy. There is a huge degree of irrationality with regards to Muslim perceptions of the US.

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That’s very nice to know PCG. Other people have personal stance on other issues too. Just so you know.

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Okay, so then at least be mature enough to diffrentiate between personal stance and "hey look this is what Islam says, oh look how stupid of a religion it is".

Ohioguy, that is ridiculous. After holding off in the WWII war with isolation policies, US has never been isolationist after WWII. Like ever.

I'm not saying Islamic empire fell because of the US. It never existed when the empire existed. I'm not saying that muslims are doing evil things to each other because of the US. That's absurd. But I'm saying our modern foreign policy has a great deal of intrusionism as a theme. Maybe we need to look at that. But we wont, because if we're not intrusionist at this point, we wont be a superpower anymore.

Like I said, the problems you see between muslims and non-muslims has nothing to do with Islam. Its a total power struggle. I'd like to just see people admit that for once instead of dragging the religion in.

Mehndi Wala Haath
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Actaully they do. It bothers me that un-educated masses actually get riled up on sermons like these and then following a sermon go about rioting and damaging property that belongs to other fellow countrymen/muslims etc.

Oh then again even the educated ones get riled up as was apparant a few days ago in WA. So I have mixed emotions now.