Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

^ Of course they are Sunnis - But they did not earn any reward for attending this majalis. It would been rewarding for them to have stayed at home and recited Quran etc. I don’t have to be ‘politically correct’ to express my views - Truth is indeed bitter at times!

@MM

Lectures are social events…? Even if it is considered a social event, if you congregate to discuss your religion, isn’t it worth it?

It is good to attend social events – and discuss your religion – but don’t assume it to be a religious event!

@MM

“The Prophet (SAW) as saying Allah (SWT) has mobile (squads) of angels, who have no other work to attend to but to follow the assemblies of Dhikr and when they find such assemblies in which there is Dhikr (of Allah (SWT)) they sit in them and some of them surround the others with their wings till the space between them and the sky of the world is fully covered…”
Source.

Above hadith quoted by you is correct but will** NOT **apply to majalis talks.

Shia views are quite at variance from that of mainstream Muslims. And are considered as deviant by all mainstream Muslims without exception.

Fundamental Beliefs of Shias are different from Mainstream Islam.

I know this doesn’t sound to be politically correct but the truth should be said even if it is bitter to some:

The noble angels will never descend in majlis;

• where the people attending have negative and obnoxious views on almost all the Noble Companions (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all) of the Noble Prophet (saw)

• where the people attending have negative and obnoxious views of the Blessed Prophet’s (saw) Noble wives (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all)

@MM

Shias are also Muslims, let’s not forget that. They believe in the same stories as Sunnis. They lecture and teach about the same events/ people/ etc.
I’m really curious, exactly what do you think they talk about that is “contrary to your belief”?

Indeed Shias are Muslims but not on par with Mainstream Muslisms – To put it bluntly – They are deviant Muslims. Since mainstream do not believe in concept of Imamate in Islam – Shias too consider mainstream Muslims to be deviant.

Shias and Sunnis do not believe in same ‘stories’ (I like this word) – In fact they have opposite views to each and every ‘story’.

Similarly they both have divergent views about events/people etc. I think you should visit some shia websites and you will get the gist of what I have said.

The beliefs of Shias and Sunnis are quite significant - ~~~~~~~~~~~Having said that we should also look at commonalities - and exercise tolerance to extreme.

[MM]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

Before I respond further, would be please elaborate on who exactly falls under the title of a "mainstream Muslim"?

[Nussairee]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

^he is right....we r called rafidhis/rafizis (translation = rejectors) because we reject many of the beliefs held by aama (translation = common people).....the main belief rejected by us is that one must cover even the major wrongdoings of sahaba even if it takes covering the truth itself......

[Prince_Ali]

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@MM

… wow.
since Kkf still hasn’t responded to my question, I’m hoping you can shed some light.
With out getting disrespectful, would you please explain where you heard/ learned the things you stated above? I’ve never been exposed to any of the above, except the difference in prayer. And the only difference is that they pray with their arms to their sides, as opposed to how the Sunni’s pray, with their arms crossed infront of them.

Again, since they are also Muslims:
1 - How are their beliefs different?
2 - What are the differences in their kalima, adhaan, and wudu?
3- and if you can find a source of where Hazrat Ali (R.A.) is labled as the first caliph, that’d be appreciated as well.

I’m not trying to point fingers or raise questions for the sake of argument. I’m genuinely curious. I’ve never heard of such differences.

I have grown up with them.
Before I move on, I might be wrong in whatever I say about Shias, fellow shia guppies are welcome to rectify me.

This is their kalima, according to my understanding their imaan is not complete without mentioning of Hazrat Ali (R.A) in kalima. Irani shias even mention Imam Khomeini in their kalima.

Their Adhaan:

• ALLAHO AKBAR (4 times)
• ASH-HADO AL-LAA ILAAHA-ILLALLAAH (2 times)
• ASH-HADO ANNA MUHAMMADAR-RASOO-LULLAAH (2 times)
• ASH-HADO ANNA ALIYAN WALI-YULLAH (2 times)
  I bear witness that Ali is the representative of Allah
• HAYYA A’LASSALAAH (2 times)
• HAYYA A’LALFALAAH (2 times)
• HAYYA A’LA KHAYRIL AMAL (2 times)
• ALLAHO AKBAR (2 times)
• LAA ILAAHA IL-LALLAAH (2 times)

According to Shias, Hazrat Ali (R.A) is the first caliph. This notion needs no source as every Shia has a firm believe over it. Shias have got so much hatred against some of Sahaba (R.A). Have you ever heard a shia named his/her daughter/son, Aisha, Umer, Abu Bakar, Usman, Hafsa, etc?

In a shia book, (Asool Kaafi, Page No. 420) it is stated, Sahabah (R.A) became infidel by denying the divine right (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali (R.A). First three caliph and other Sahabas (R.A) became infidel by denying the divine right of (Wilayat) of Hazrat Ali (R.A).

Imam Khomeini (the hero of Iran) has openly called Hazrat Umer (R.A) a kafir (nauzbillah) in his books.

@TLK

Thier Kalima is different? How?

Their kalima has Hazrat Ali (R.A) mentioned in. Only a shia can answer why. And they do curse sahabas (R.A) in their majalis. I can provide source/videos but that will offend a lot of our friends here.

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[Nussairee]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

^u grew up with** them** yet u want ppl on gupshup to rectify u abt them?

[rari389]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

First of all we differ on the very definition of the word sahabi. We do not consider each and everyone who used to sit with the Prophet a Sahabi unless or until they showed in their practice that they followed the teachings of the Prophet and his Ahlelbait.

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

@MM

Before I respond further, would be please elaborate on who exactly falls under the title of a "mainstream Muslim"?

This term is used for Sunnis (only)

[Prince_Ali]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

@Nussairee

^u grew up with** them** yet u want ppl on gupshup to rectify u abt them?

This is a very touchy discussion, don't want to offend anyone.

@rari389

First of all we differ on the very definition of the word sahabi. We do not consider each and everyone who used to sit with the Prophet a Sahabi unless or until they showed in their practice that they followed the teachings of the Prophet and his Ahlelbait.

Do you consider Hazrat Umer (R.A) a Sahabi?

[Sa1eem]

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@Ibn_Sadique

This term is used for Sunnis (only)

What about Wahabis (Salafis, ahle-hadith) and Deobandis (including tableeghies), as their Aqeedahs (beliefs) are completely different than Sunnis?

Actually, after looking at Aqeedahs of Shias, Wahabis and Deobandis, in some depth, I found that Aqeedahs (beliefs) of Shias are much closer to Sunnis than Wahabis and Deobandis.

For instance, if one find the Aqeedahs of Sunnis, Shias, Wahabis and Deobandis regarding Allah, Astawa of Allah on Kursi, Prophets, Prophet (SAW), death, graves, celebration of Prophet (SAW) birth, intersessions, type of Bidah, and many more … one would find that that in all cases I mentioned, Aqeedah of Shias and Sunnis are more or less same, but Aqeedah of Wahabis and Deobandis are different than both Shias and Sunnis.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

I have not attended any Majlis but I would like to someday, InshaAllah. Anyhow, I read and heard a lot about Shia beliefs and analysed them too.

Only beliefs Shias have that I do not agree is that ‘Imams are infallible and thus they could not do sin’, that I believe is baseless. My belief is that, only Prophets are infallible and there are logical reasons for that too.

Anyhow, such beliefs does not negate any Islamic principles or beliefs … actually it is just like some Sunnis believe that Sahabas are sinless and that all what they did was according to Islam (rather, some believe that to follow them is obligation on Muslims). As far as I am concerned, both beliefs are wrong and nothing to do with Islam.

I also believe that bickering on ‘right of Khalafat’ is useless, as what happened has already happened, regardless of its merit or no merit. On the other hand, what happened has happened the way Allah wished it to happen (good or bad, right or wrong, does not matter).

[psyah]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

@Sa1eem

What about Wahabis (Salafis, ahle-hadith) and Deobandis (including tableeghies), as their Aqeedahs (beliefs) are completely different than Sunnis?

Actually, after looking at Aqeedahs of Shias, Wahabis and Deobandis, in some depth, I found that Aqeedahs (beliefs) of Shias are much closer to Sunnis than Wahabis and Deobandis.

For instance, if one find the Aqeedahs of Sunnis, Shias, Wahabis and Deobandis regarding Allah, Astawa of Allah on Kursi, Prophets, Prophet (SAW), death, graves, celebration of Prophet (SAW) birth, intersessions, type of Bidah, and many more … one would find that that in all cases I mentioned, Aqeedah of Shias and Sunnis are more or less same, but Aqeedah of Wahabis and Deobandis are different than both Shias and Sunnis.

Peace Sa1eem

Sunnis are (Hanbalis, Malikis, Hanafis and Shafi’is) so

Barelvis, and Deobandis are both types of Hanafi which makes both of Sunni
There are Turkish, Egyptian and Syrian Hanafis too
Shafi’is are in Syria, Yemen and Egypt
Hanbalis (traditional) are more or less gone - but there are Wahabis who resemble and take much of their material from the Hanbali schools.
Malikis are in North and West Africa in the main

ALL of these are Sunni … not just the people in the subcontinent

Sunni is short for Ahul-u-Sunnah wal-Jamat

There is debate about whether Salafis are Sunni although Salafis accept the 4 caliphs like the rest of the Sunnis, they don’t follow a madhab and do a lot of extraction of ruling on their own merit and study and select a few scholars in history to get their basis from and ignore the majority of the scholars, although they will not concede this point easily.

There are differences among the Sunnis yes … but thy are Sunnis …

To add Sufis belong in both Shi’a and Sunni camps - as there are a few Shi’a who do not practice this but most do and likewise there are some Sunnis who don’t accept the Sufi practices, there are a lot who accept it but don’t practice it, there are some Sunnis who practice the sciences of tassuwwuf loosely, some who practice it wholeheartedly but don’t join tariqah and there are some who are part of a tariqah … It is wrong to mix these matters up.

Some of the practices of some Sunni groups resemble some of the practices of some Shi’a groups - but that not equate them in terms of belief.

While Sunnis may do things to show their love for certain members of the Salaf and Ahl-ul-Bayt they will not show their hatred to any of the Salaf and Ahl-ul-Bayt, this is not the case for Shi’a.

Many modern Shi’a have incorporated Mu’tazili beliefs which have been deemed false by the Sunnis … It is the Mu’tazili beliefs that are perhaps the biggest cause for separation and not the political position on the caliphs as is commonly understood.

Early when the name was first associated with people was during the Khariji and Shi’a conflicts and the Mu’tazili (political) group were constituted of proper Muslims in which members of the Ahl-ul-Bayt were present. It means to “abstain” they were persecuted by both groups … but at a later stage the Mu’tazili (political) group became hijacked by the Mu’tazili (philosophers) or rationalists and the definition describing the abstainers was no longer used. So early accounts of Mu’tazilis are confusing because not all of them were rationalists and not all of the rationalists were necessarily abstaining from both sides. Rather as can be seen the Rationalist beliefs were appealing to the Shi’a.

It actually took a defector from the Mu’tazili (philosophers) to set us right. He is none other than Imam Al-Ash’ari (RA) … and in parallel Imam al-Maturidi (RA) who both came to similar conclusions regarding what we now know today as “Sunni” beliefs.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

^^^ So you mean Quraish and other Arab kuffars who converted to Islam from kufr were following what you wrote … and that is what Quran and prophet (SAW) taught? ... That is, Kuffars who converted to Islam were following one of the four Imams and had aqeedah based on Ashari or Maturdi beliefs … and that is what Prophet (SAW) told Muslims to follow as beliefs?

If above is true, than can you tell which Imam people of Madina during the life of prophet (SAW) or earlier Khalifs were following … and what Aqeedah they had, Ashari or maturdi… or would you like to say that earlier Muslims were not Sunni?

Or it is what I am saying that … Islam got completed during the lifetime Prophet (SAW). Allah through Quran and Prophet (SAW) gave Muslims certain beliefs and whoever have those beliefs are Muslims … and when we talk about Muslims we see what beliefs they have (we can only differentiate a person on basis of their beliefs). Anything that is not preached by Prophet (SAW) and came later, is nothing to do with Islam, though we can use them for our own convenience, guidance, and understanding … no more, no less.

As far as I am concerned, and I believe should be true for all Muslims as well, is that … what you wrote is only good for the purpose of understanding and conveniently following Islam, and on its own do not nor can determine what a person is (Muslim or whatever).

Actually, 4 Imams you mentioned gave fiqh according to their understanding and interpretations of Quran, sayings of Prophet (SAW), interpolations, customs and traditions of the time. None claimed that what they are giving is last word or absolute … and that is obvious, as none were Prophets (AS). Similarly, Imam Ashari and Imam Maturdi put down their understanding of Islam and its complexities (what they understood from Quran, hadith and their own logic) that any Muslim could take or leave … as taking or leaving anyone’s understanding of Islam is nothing to do with a person’s faith … but only what one believes after taking into account understandings one took from anywhere ... is a person’s faith.

So, when talking about people who claim to be Muslim, one should talk about what they believe that they relate to teaching of Islam coming from Prophet (SAW). For instance, two groups of Muslims are alike if they have similar beliefs, and different if they have different beliefs ... or close to each others if they have most beliefs same … specially regarding important aspect of Islam ... like Allah, zaat (Person) of Allah, Rasul-Allah, intercession, way people would be judged on judgment day, death, life in state after death, Quran, what is part of Islam and what is not, etc, etc, etc ... that came to Muslims (or claimed it came to Muslims) from prophet (SAW).

For instance, I believe that Allah has no form or shape, neither one can give direction or place to Allah, nor Allah changes his stance (Allah in every way is same what he was and what he would be), neither Allah stands or sits, nor Allah has eyes or ears neither Allah needs or depends on eyes or ears, nor Allah has any language or depends on any language, and so on … so anyone who believes that Allah has fingers and nails, eyes and ears, buttock and thighs, sits or stands, has direction and place, walks and talks, drinks Tea and Coffee, watch TV, gets world news through Angels … etc … then obviously we both would have different beliefs and could not be same ... regardless of what that anyone (person) claims ... being Sunni, Shia, Deobandi, Wahabi, Salafi, Ahle-hadith, Tableeghi, hanafi, Maliki, Shafi, Humbli, Jafri, Ashari, Maturidi ... or whatever ... as for me, he would always going to be a Nut-case with religious beliefs different than mine.

Same goes with differences in all other beliefs.

[rosedreams]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

My Islamic history is not strong at all. I do know the Quranic stories well but not much abt sahabas. Sigh, wish there were no sects in Islam and we could all be 'MUSLIMS'.

[rosedreams]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

All of my grandmothers best friends were Sunni and they always attended our majalis in Pakistan.

Are you still located in Pakistan? How do you feel about non-shias attending the Majlises??

[psyah]

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@Sa1eem

^^^ So you mean Quraish and other Arab kuffars who converted to Islam from kufr were following what you wrote … and that is what Quran and prophet (SAW) taught? ... That is, Kuffars who converted to Islam were following one of the four Imams and had aqeedah based on Ashari or Maturdi beliefs … and that is what Prophet (SAW) told Muslims to follow as beliefs?

If above is true, than can you tell which Imam people of Madina during the life of prophet (SAW) or earlier Khalifs were following … and what Aqeedah they had, Ashari or maturdi… or would you like to say that earlier Muslims were not Sunni?

Or it is what I am saying that … Islam got completed during the lifetime Prophet (SAW). Allah through Quran and Prophet (SAW) gave Muslims certain beliefs and whoever have those beliefs are Muslims … and when we talk about Muslims we see what beliefs they have (we can only differentiate a person on basis of their beliefs). Anything that is not preached by Prophet (SAW) and came later, is nothing to do with Islam, though we can use them for our own convenience, guidance, and understanding … no more, no less.

As far as I am concerned, and I believe should be true for all Muslims as well, is that … what you wrote is only good for the purpose of understanding and conveniently following Islam, and on its own do not nor can determine what a person is (Muslim or whatever).

Actually, 4 Imams you mentioned gave fiqh according to their understanding and interpretations of Quran, sayings of Prophet (SAW), interpolations, customs and traditions of the time. None claimed that what they are giving is last word or absolute … and that is obvious, as none were Prophets (AS). Similarly, Imam Ashari and Imam Maturdi put down their understanding of Islam and its complexities (what they understood from Quran, hadith and their own logic) that any Muslim could take or leave … as taking or leaving anyone’s understanding of Islam is nothing to do with a person’s faith … but only what one believes after taking into account understandings one took from anywhere ... is a person’s faith.

So, when talking about people who claim to be Muslim, one should talk about what they believe that they relate to teaching of Islam coming from Prophet (SAW). For instance, two groups of Muslims are alike if they have similar beliefs, and different if they have different beliefs ... or close to each others if they have most beliefs same … specially regarding important aspect of Islam ... like Allah, zaat (Person) of Allah, Rasul-Allah, intercession, way people would be judged on judgment day, death, life in state after death, Quran, what is part of Islam and what is not, etc, etc, etc ... that came to Muslims (or claimed it came to Muslims) from prophet (SAW).

For instance, I believe that Allah has no form or shape, neither one can give direction or place to Allah, nor Allah changes his stance (Allah in every way is same what he was and what he would be), neither Allah stands or sits, nor Allah has eyes or ears neither Allah needs or depends on eyes or ears, nor Allah has any language or depends on any language, and so on … so anyone who believes that Allah has fingers and nails, eyes and ears, buttock and thighs, sits or stands, has direction and place, walks and talks, drinks Tea and Coffee, watch TV, gets world news through Angels … etc … then obviously we both would have different beliefs and could not be same ... regardless of what that anyone (person) claims ... being Sunni, Shia, Deobandi, Wahabi, Salafi, Ahle-hadith, Tableeghi, hanafi, Maliki, Shafi, Humbli, Jafri, Ashari, Maturidi ... or whatever ... as for me, he would always going to be a Nut-case with religious beliefs different than mine.

Same goes with differences in all other beliefs.

Brother Sa1eem

Dear brother .... What is this?

Have you really studied aqeedah or the history of the development of aqeedah? Be honest ... You could not have asked such questions if you have ... And if you have you should be able to answer your own questions so asking them was a pointless exercise ... You choose! Are you being pointless or do you honestly not know about the ways aqeedah were formed?

And you should examine the difference between aqeedah and fiqh ...

[psyah]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

The Qur'an, Sunnah and Consensus (or Majority if no consensus) are the source for what became the science of the aqeedah, the fiqh and the inner spiritual science. All three are extracted from the three sources ...but differ between themselves.

The schools of Iman encoded the aqeedahs ... They extracted specific understandings from The Qur'an, Sunnah and Ijma that had a bearing on what we should believe ... This governs our intentions ... And makes the act directed in the way it is supposed to go. Noted theologians ... Imam Al-Maturidi, Imam Al-Ash-ari, Imam at-Tahawi ...

The schools of shariah developed the rules for the category we know as fiqh, these are focused around the pillars of Islam ... And bear on our ritual actions ... Shahadah is hence an action ... To bear witness is more than just belief, but it is an announcement of it. All from Qur'an, Sunnah and Ijma. Noted Mujtahids ... Imam Malik, Imam Shafi'i, Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam binHanbal.

The schools of tassuwwuf developed the sciences to improve good character formulated empirical methods of inner jihads, zuhd, tazkiya introspection tawbah and include some forms of expression and channeling love towards Allah (SWT) and His Messenger (SAW). It is about sincerity in Godliness. all from Qur'an, Sunnah and Ijma. Noted Sufis ... AbdulQadir al-Jilani, AbuHassan AshShadhili, Ghareeb Nawaz Moinudeen Chishti, and so on ...

May Allah have mercy on all of the above mentioned.

[aqeel123]

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@Ibn_Sadique

I am sure your dear grandmother appreciated this noble gesture by her best friends.

What was the response of your dear grandmother? Did she reciprocate the noble gesture by her best friends by accompanying them to Taraweeh prayers?

I am sure this gesture would have been appreciated by her best friends. (I am sure she did - she would not let her best friends down, would she?)

In my village, we have 1 shia mosque, we have sunni and shia namaz bajamat there… Sunni’s not only attend Shia Majalis but they also attend Jalooses as well. We attend Milaaads and offocurse Khatam-e-Quran and Khatame-e-Surah Yaseen are attended by both parties. I guess reason being we all are same family (all distant cousins) who is half shia half sunni. Also we have families where few brothers are sunni and few are shia.

If i was invited by a sunni friend for a lecture or protest or Mehfil-e-Naat, I will go for sure Inshallah.

[Ibn_Sadique]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

^ I was just interested to know if your grandma reciprocated the noble gesture by her best friends by accompanying them to Taraweeh prayers. That would have set example of enhanced unity among the sects in your village. It matters not if she didn’t get the chance.

@Sa1eem

What about Wahabis (Salafis, ahle-hadith) and Deobandis (including tableeghies), as their Aqeedahs (beliefs) are completely different than Sunnis?

Brother Saleem – You seemed to be confused and your statement is way off the mark, rather completely erroneous.

By saying Sunnis are you equating it to mean Bralevis – if so, then the joke is on you.

Wahabis (Salafis, ahle-hadith) and Deobandis (including tableeghies) and Bralevis all agree on fundamentals of Islam. These are not sects in Sunni Islam rather these are different schools of thought.

The Fundamental are taken from Quran and Sunnah of the Blessed Prophet (Peace be upon him) and Ijma of the Blessed Companions (May Allah Almighty be pleased with them all).

The differences among them are in secondary issues.

@Sa1eem

Actually, after looking at Aqeedahs of Shias, Wahabis and Deobandis, in some depth, I found that Aqeedahs (beliefs) of Shias are much closer to Sunnis than Wahabis and Deobandis.

You show your ignorance by equating Bralevis to means Sunni.

It is well known fact that the Bralevis are influenced by Shia Beliefs – and this mostly occurs most among the uneducated.

Now you present Shias to be a monolithic group. Following is for your knowledge

Shias are divided into following groups -

Alawites, Ismaili, Dawoodi Bohra, Zaidi (Fiver), Ismaili (Sevener), Twelver Usuli , Twelver Akbari

Akhbari 12ers rejection of Usuli 12ers

Welcome to Akhbari.com

Basic differences between Shia Imamia Ithna Ashari Akhbari and Usooli

Welcome to Akhbari.com

Akhabari 12ers Belief in Tehreef (Alterations) in Quran

Welcome to Akhbari.com

From the above Shia sects Zaidi 5ers are nearest to Sunni Islam and the 12er Usulis are heavily influenced by non-Brelevi Sunnis politically.

There is always room cross-pollination where the sects are mingled around each other.

Try to re-read brother** pysah’s **posts again

[CoughCough]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

no, i do not subscribe to their madhab so i will never ever go to such events...i do NOT wish to listen to things that are contrary to my beliefs...it's better to stay away.

if it's purely a social event...[other than maatamii majaalis], i will NOT have any problem at all as long as i do NOT have to hear anything against my beliefs.

fair enuf?

Wow man.

I fully respect your opinion but I have to say that this is extremely intolerant of you. And just down right ignorant.

How do you expect other religions and peoples to be tolerant of Islam if you yourself can't even show tolerance to people of your own faith.

How can we call those, who are intolerant of our faith, bad people if we ourselves are intolerant of our own brothers.

This sunni shia divide seems to be a huge reason for the division between Muslims.

And just so you know, shia agenda is not all anti sunni.

One of the best Islamic lectures I've heard was given from a shia molvi.

Very, very saddening that such a mentality exists amongst educated people in the world.

[Sa1eem]

Re: Non-Shias attending Shia majlises/milad- is it ok?

Brother Pysah: I am sorry to say that I am really surprised and shocked by your posts. Either you are showing dishonesty or really do not know.

To keep things short … I do not know or recognise any Aqeedah in Islam that developed or has history of development.

Aqeedah I have did not developed or has no history of development, but it came down to Prophet (SAW) in the form of Wahi. All my Aqeedah is from Quran, Sunnah, traditions that is coming from generation to generation, whatever is mentioned in hadith books, human nature that Allah has created, and logical interpolation of what is there in Quran and hadith.

[That is different matter that Aqeedah that I am talking about, later Muslims put their inputs in it not to develop any Aqeedah but to give explanation and meaning to these Aqeedah using various means (logical argument, interpolations, traditional beliefs, human nature, etc) according to their understanding and intellectual ability. Their input is not part of any Aqeedah but can be used as help to further refine our Aqeedah (if their input is acceptable) and increase our knowledge of different Islamic beliefs … No such study or inputs by itself are part of Religion]

Anyhow, what about you? You mentioned in your post that as far as you are concerned, Aqeedah developed … so, can you please let us know your beliefs?

Can you tell us, when did your Aqeedahs (Islamic beliefs) developed and by whom? Were those who developed your Aqeedah, got them from Allah as Wahi (I mean were they prophets)?

Please let me know so that I can think forward about Aqeedah you are talking about.