Re: Non-Muslims and Shariah
Why the venom toward non-Muslims with accusations of bigotry and hatred?
Venom? It's fact.
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My view would be the same to any person of any religion who thought that it is possible in today's day and age to implement a religious state government. It is outdated.
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I know of no single person who takes Islam seriously on the one hand, and thinks that in NO way shape or form religion should influence how a state is run, or how laws are implemented. I care not to go into details, or talk about specific cases, as secularism is the negation of ANY possibility of religion being involved in the business of the state.
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Past its prime. Proven wrong. There is a reason theocracies are in the dustbin of history.
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Shrugs...systems of governance that incorporated Islam were hardly theocratic; again this is speaking from the experiences of a particular civilization, where there was a set Chruch that was competing with states for power.
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But you are talking about a system that has not been functional in centuries.
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Well no big deal, as whatever system is currently in place is hardly functioning either.
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Since that time there has been a little something called democracy that has become the predominant form of government, futher diminishing any chance of the theocracy making a comeback.
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This little thing called democracy is systematically side-stepped whenever people who disagree with the major power broker in the world come close to power. With the so-called champion of democracy's full blessing. Spare me.
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When shariah law was successful, there wasn't any competing forms of government to challenge it. Today things are quite the opposite of that, making it even less likely we'll see shariah law in our lifetime.
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What is in place already is infused with Shariah. It's simply in a state of denial...and so is more dysfunctional as a result. The competing forms of governance simply don't translate well...so we have capitlistic totalitarianism of Asia replacing Western liberalism.
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Muslims today are more secular and spread across the globe than in any time in the past, further diminishing any chance they'd be willing to go back to an Islamic state with shriah law.
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This makes no sense; if anything Muslim experiments with secularism have been abysmal disasters, nothing short of continuing colonial legacies. We see this in Pakistan, Egypt, Malaysia, and so on.
What Sharia is, is not the point; the point is that Muslims are hardly gravitating to a secular model...and where there is secularism it seems to be enforced by the state military. For God's sake, the Turkish political system was brought to crisis because of a Hijab wearing wife. Wow. What a model.
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Today, there is no consensus whatsoever on what constitutes shariah law.
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Don't think there needs to be, and indeed wherever there is disagreement it's over a handful of things. It's simply laughable to suggest that for the most part, a consensus can't be reached. It simply requires a culture to engage the subject; and that takes only a small amount of time to foster.
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The few modern examples - Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sudan - demonstrate how brutal and barbaric the interpretation can be. Meaning there is widespread opposition across the world, not only with non-Muslims.
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Then there is Saudi, Pakistan, Iran, Malaysia, Egypt (all implement Shariah to some degree) etc. where MUSLIMS for the most part don't really care about the nature of the law or how it's implemented. Minus corruption, et. all...but then, that's an admitted problem not a facet of the system.
We have problems; inter-sect, inter-racial...Shariah ain't one of them. Only Islam-haters who reduce Shariah to a few issues have a problem with it.
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doubters of shariah law does not necessitate a hatred of Islam or its culture (seeing how it is not even part of Islamic culture)
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If one hates Shariah law as a concept (regardless of any particular interpretation) without suggesting an alternative, i.e. want to abolish it...then yeah, they hate Islam. Period. Again, it's the idea of Shariah in it's most abstract...not any particular form.
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and #2 - Muslims don't need to pay heed to non-Muslims for things to get really bad for Muslims.
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The point was, only an idiotic Muslim would put priority of care with what a non-Muslim thinks about the subject.