NOAH ARC (as) ARC & AHLE BAYTE(as)

[Das_Reich]

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@Mazhar-Kaleem-Fan

if that be the case, i am not this type of sunni, these umayyads were pathetic people including their top leader, than i be counted in shain-e-ali bit not the ones who reject the first three caliphs

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Actually brother the earliest shias had much better opinion of the first 2 caliphs than present day ones …but they were almost all open enemies of the 3rd one or atleast highly critical of him

[Iconoclast]

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There are very clear Ahadith that declare wives ARE included in Ahle-Bayt:

Anas bin Malik reported: "A banquet of bread and meat was held on the occasion of the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh. I was sent to invite the people (to the banquet),………. The Prophet left and went towards the dwelling place of Aa'ishah and said, "Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you, O the people of the house!" **She replied, "Peace and the mercy of Allah be on you too. How did you find your wife? May Allah bless you. **Then he went to the dwelling places of all his other wives and said to them the same as he said to Aa'ishah and they said to him the same as Aa'ishah had said to him." (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer Al-Quran, Surat Al-Ahzab)

In the hadeeth of Al-Efk (the narration of the Lie), the Prophet peace be upon him, while he was on the pulpit says: "O people give me your opinion regarding those people who made a forged story against my family. By Allah, I do not know anything bad about her. By Allah, they accused her of being with a man about whom I have never known anything bad, and he never entered my house unless I was present there, and whenever I went on a journey, he went with me" (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer AL-Quran, Surat AL-Nour

[healtymind]

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@SindSagar

So after all this discussion and explaination of the Shia Mazhab, which one of the so many different Shia branches would you recommend that we follow, and may be you can tell us the differences in the Most prominent of the Shia branches and the Beliefs they hold, so we can choose the right one?

Thanks Brother aur Allah aap ka bhi Hami wa Nasir Ho!

(To the Mods: I asked this same question in another thread and it was deleted:confused: Why? )

Dear first of all let me tell you that i haven’t delete any thing, if some one do that may be the operator of the website.

NOW TO THE TOPIC IF YOU HAVE DARE AND FREEDOM FOLLOW THE

Al-Azhar Verdict on the Shia
GRAND MUFTI

Fatwa (ruling) of Shaikh Mahmood Shaltoot
Head Office of al-Azhar University:

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCIFUL Text of the Verdict (Fatwa) Issued by His Excellency Shaikh al-Akbar Mahmood Shaltoot, Head of the al-Azhar University, on Permissibility of Following “al-Shia al-Imamiyyah” School of Thought
His Excellency was asked:
Some believe that, for a Muslim to have religiously correct worship and dealing, it is necessary to follow one of the four known schools of thought, whereas, “al-Shia al-Imamiyyah” school of thought is not one of them nor “al-Shia al-Zaidiyyah.” Do your Excellency agree with this opinion, and prohibit following “al-Shia al-Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah” school of thought, for example?
His Excellency replied:

1. Islam does not require a Muslim to follow a particular Madh’hab (school of thought). Rather, we say: every Muslim has the right to follow one of the schools of thought which has been correctly narrated and its verdicts have been compiled in its books. And, everyone who is following such Madhahib [schools of thought] can transfer to another school, and there shall be no crime on him for doing so.
2. The Ja’fari school of thought, which is also known as “al-Shia al- Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah” (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi’ites) is a school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are other Sunni schools of thought. Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine Law (Shari’ah) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible to the “non-Mujtahid” to follow them and to accord with their teaching whether in worship (Ibadaat) or transactions (Mu’amilaat).
   Signed, Mahmood Shaltoot.

U OK NOW DEAR or you need some thing else. or more then GRAND MUFTI

ALLAH APKA HAMI WA NASIR HO

[Iconoclast]

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^A politically correct statement by Grand Mufti but the 4 Imams of Ahle-Sunnah state otherwise.

[healtymind]

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@Iconoclast

There are very clear Ahadith that declare wives ARE included in Ahle-Bayt:

Anas bin Malik reported: "A banquet of bread and meat was held on the occasion of the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh. I was sent to invite the people (to the banquet),………. The Prophet left and went towards the dwelling place of Aa'ishah and said, "Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you, O the people of the house!" **She replied, "Peace and the mercy of Allah be on you too. How did you find your wife? May Allah bless you. **Then he went to the dwelling places of all his other wives and said to them the same as he said to Aa'ishah and they said to him the same as Aa'ishah had said to him." (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer Al-Quran, Surat Al-Ahzab)

In the hadeeth of Al-Efk (the narration of the Lie), the Prophet peace be upon him, while he was on the pulpit says: "O people give me your opinion regarding those people who made a forged story against my family. By Allah, I do not know anything bad about her. By Allah, they accused her of being with a man about whom I have never known anything bad, and he never entered my house unless I was present there, and whenever I went on a journey, he went with me" (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Tafseer AL-Quran, Surat AL-Nour

LET SUPPOSE THE FORUM MEMBERS IS AGREED TO GIVE YOU POWER TO DECIDE THE THE RIGHT HADITH AND NARRATOR: COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHICH ONE YOU LIKE TO SAY THE ACCURATE ONE FOR THE TOPIC:

BUNDLES OF ATHENTIC AND GREAT SCHOLLARS REFERENCES GIVEN BY ME OR FEW GIVEN BY YOU IN THE ENTIRE DISCUSSTION???
PLEASE POINT OUT THE WRONG ONE HERE IN FRONT OF ALL, I WANA SEE YOUR ATTITUDE ..... PLEASE COME FORWARD

THEN THE FORUM MEMBERS WILL VOTE FOR YOU FOR YOUR DECISION AS A JUDGE.

IF MAJORITY SAYS THAT YOU ARE RIGHT , I WILL QUITE THIS FORUM FOR EVER. I PROMISE BY ALMIGHTY ALLAH WHO IS THE GREATES CREATER.

ALLAH APKA HAMI WA NASIR HO

[Iconoclast]

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[edit: writing in caps is not the cue for sly digs. consider this your first warning].

Now about the topic, its very clear that wives are included in Ahle-Bayt, Allah says so by beginning the Ayat 33:33 by calling wives of Prophet. Inaddition i have posted two Ahadeeth above in which Rasoolullaah saw has called his wives his Ahle-Bayt, both Ahadeeth are from Saheeh Bukhari, which is considered authentic by Sunnis. The two proofs Quran and Hadeeth are enough for Sunnies.

Allah aap ko kuchh Hidayat naseeb farmaye.

[ravage]

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oh jez, this debate again.

Heres my last venture into these waters, giving two sahih ahadis from bukhari/muslim that explicitly restrict “ahl e bait” in the specialized sense in addition to the general translation of the word into family. In one hadith the question is asked if the wives are included and the answer is no.

How much more direct do you want it to be?

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=3659323&postcount=13

anyway, im not getting into this discussion again so my last post on this matter.

[symk]

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@healtymind

One of the Wive position according to the prophet Mohammad (pbuh)

(battle of Camel)

According to Muslim sources, on the way to Basra in Iraq, the rebel army received news that Ali had come out of Madina in their pursuit. They decided to leave the main road and proceed to Basra through a different route. When they passed through the valley of Haw’ab, the dogs of the village surrounded Ayesha’s camel, barking loudly. She was immediately worried and asked for the name of the place. When she was told it was Haw’ab, she was shocked and she cried, “Alas! Alas! I am the wretched woman of Haw’ab. The prophet of Allah had already warned me against this.”
She was reminded of what Umm Salama hade told her:
“I also remind you that you and I were with the prophet of Allah and he said to us: ‘Which one of you will be the rider of the trained camel, at whom the dogs of Haw’ab will bark, and she will have deviated from the right path?’ We said: ‘We seek refuge from Allah and his prophet from that’. He touched your back and said: ‘Don’t be that one, O Humayra.’” Aisha said: “I remember that.” Aisha remembered the warning of Muhammad, and she cried and said: “Take me back! Take me back!” But the rebels brought fifty men and bribed them to testify in front of her that this place was not the plain of Haw’ab.

In case of Doubt Please read the litrature
This is one of the reason that Ahle sunat wa al jumat stops if any one starts to discuss the battle of camel.
If you are ture and have freedom from all possible problem please consult library.

ALLAH AP SAB KA HAMI WA NASIR HO.

We respect the beloved Prophet his family, companions and wives without any prejudice and yes Hazrat Ali was on the right path in jang e jamal but Hazrat Ayesha did not commit a mistake intentionally , had this not been true the Prophet would never have kept her as his beloved wife. Hazrat Ali showed great respect to her and made sure she reached Medina with his guards after the war, hazrat Ayesha did admit to her mistake after the war so why criticize the Prophet’s wife?

[Captain1]

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hahaha, the fight for "my sources are better" continues.

[armughal]

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yep, i think its high time we gave this discussion a rest....