No Reasoning with Terrorists, or Guppies

Over the past week, I have heard various Guppies declare Americans as the US as the most evil in the world. Other Guppies rant about Nazis, and the Japnese, and communists as if they actually know something about theose conflicts. All of this cheap history leads me to the conclusion that there is no resoning with Terrorists or Guppies. Short of sending them to Cult Deprograming they will Yap as if they actually know something.

And this is why they did it
Amir Taheri
There is no way to reason with the terrorists, but the thinking behind their actions is perfectly clear
HE FIRST QUESTION that comes to mind is: what took them so long? The answer may be that in the past four years the British authorities have succeeded in preventing attacks on a number of occasions. David Blunkett, who was then Home Secretary, was often mocked for suggesting that this was the case.

It may take some time before the full identity of the attackers is established. But the ideology that motivates them, the networks that sustain them and the groups that finance them are all too well known.
Moments after yesterday’s attacks my telephone was buzzing with requests for interviews with one recurring question: but what do they want? That reminded me of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker, who was shot by an Islamist assassin on his way to work in Amsterdam last November. According to witnesses, Van Gogh begged for mercy and tried to reason with his assailant. “Surely we can discuss this,” he kept saying as the shots kept coming. “Let us talk it over.”

Van Gogh, who had angered Islamists with his documentary about the mistreatment of women in Islam, was reacting like BBC reporters did yesterday, assuming that the man who was killing him may have some reasonable demands which could be discussed in a calm, democratic atmosphere.

But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you.

The ideological soil in which alQaeda, and the many groups using its brand name, grow was described by one of its original masterminds, the Pakistani Abul-Ala al-Maudoodi more than 40 years ago. It goes something like this: when God created mankind He made all their bodily needs and movements subject to inescapable biological rules but decided to leave their spiritual, social and political needs and movements largely subject to their will. Soon, however, it became clear that Man cannot run his affairs the way God wants. So God started sending prophets to warn man and try to goad him on to the right path. A total of 128,000 prophets were sent, including Moses and Jesus. They all failed. Finally, God sent Muhammad as the last of His prophets and the bearer of His ultimate message, Islam. With the advent of Islam all previous religions were “abrogated” (mansukh), and their followers regarded as “infidel” (kuffar). The aim of all good Muslims, therefore, is to convert humanity to Islam, which regulates Man’s spiritual, economic, political and social moves to the last detail.

But what if non-Muslims refuse to take the right path? Here answers diverge. Some believe that the answer is dialogue and argument until followers of the “abrogated faiths” recognise their error and agree to be saved by converting to Islam. This is the view of most of the imams preaching in the mosques in the West. But others, including Osama bin Laden, a disciple of al-Maudoodi, believe that the Western-dominated world is too mired in corruption to hear any argument, and must be shocked into conversion through spectacular ghazavat (raids) of the kind we saw in New York and Washington in 2001, in Madrid last year, and now in London.

That yesterday’s attack was intended as a ghazava was confirmed in a statement by the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe, an Islamist group that claimed responsibility for yesterday’s atrocity. It said “We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid (ghazava) in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.” Those who carry out these missions are the ghazis, the highest of all Islamic distinctions just below that of the shahid or martyr. A ghazi who also becomes a shahid will be doubly meritorious.

There are many Muslims who believe that the idea that all other faiths have been “abrogated” and that the whole of mankind should be united under the banner of Islam must be dropped as a dangerous anachronism. But to the Islamist those Muslims who think like that are themselves regarded as lapsed, and deserving of death.

It is, of course, possible, as many in the West love to do, to ignore the strategic goal of the Islamists altogether and focus only on their tactical goals. These goals are well known and include driving the “Cross-worshippers” (Christian powers) out of the Muslim world, wiping Israel off the map of the Middle East, and replacing the governments of all Muslim countries with truly Islamic regimes like the one created by Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran and by the Taleban in Afghanistan.

How to achieve those objectives has been the subject of much debate in Islamist circles throughout the world, including in London, since 9/11. Bin Laden has consistently argued in favour of further ghazavat inside the West. He firmly believes that the West is too cowardly to fight back and, if terrorised in a big way, will do “what it must do”. That view was strengthened last year when al-Qaeda changed the Spanish Government with its deadly attack in Madrid. At the time bin Laden used his “Madrid victory” to call on other European countries to distance themselves from the United States or face similar “punishment”.

Bin Laden’s view has been challenged by his supposed No 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who insists that the Islamists should first win the war inside several vulnerable Muslim countries, notably Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Until yesterday it seemed that al-Zawahiri was winning the argument, especially by heating things up in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yesterday, the bin Laden doctrine struck back in London.

The author is an Iranian commentator on Middle Eastern affairs

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,1072-1684970,00.html

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may be we r too emotional and cant reason in emotions

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Mr Man from Ohio

Me thinketh thou art generalising-eth

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yet you keep on trying.
its hopeless, i tell you what.

btw did u hear ur tax money might be going to the israilis for evacuating occupied terrority

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OG

you are included in the guppies as well aint ya? so no reasoning with u either?

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The writer's authenticity can easily be garnered from the fact that he took an anonymous email as the basis of his whole enlightening article...What a moroon...

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OG wants us to confess that we are all to be blamed for the blasts. yes OG we are guilty of being muslims, why dont u come n burn our mosques and harrass our women in scarfs in revenge. ( hey if he can generalize, so can i).

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But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you.

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This is load of crap..... there are many specific reasosn for the attacks. All you have to do is listen.....if you believed that OBL was behind 9/11...what did he want? US army out of muslim lands. Amir Taheri has gotten a bug up his arse that is spweing all of this grabage.
There is always a reason for the way people act, we must find that reason and eliminate the causes or we will never succeed in this so called "war on terror".

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Amir Taheri is 100% correct - about the terrorists. One can ascertain it by reading jihadi websites where they make it clear that individual issues like US troops, Israel-Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya etc. are just stepping stones in the jihadi roadmap. The ultimate goal of the jihadis is to make the whole world solely inhabited by Wahhabis. The jihadis are taught to kill and keep killing anyone who opposes their view. There is no reasoning with these guys. They just want to kill because their Wahhabism teaches them to slaughter anyone that opposes them.

But OG you overgeneralized about Guppies. Most Guppies do not espuse such views. JMHO.

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Talwar, when was the last time you met a Wahabi? It always amuses me when people think they know about a certain sect when they read stuff on the internet. Maybe you should meet one before making ridiculous claims such as "Wahabisim teahces them to slaughter". Does brahiminisim teach to drop molten "sesa" into the ears of "shuders"?

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Well, most of today's terrorists are Wahhabis. You can say anything you want about Brahmins or Bahais but it was not them who carry out attacks from 9/11 to daily suicide bombings in Iraq. Wahhabism teaches its adherents to kill anyone who disagrees with them. This is proven from the day Ibn Wahhab made a deal with the Saud family and slaughetered other sects ruthlessly. Wahhabism is not a religion but a terrorist death cult.

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ahhhh the ones hosted in Virgina and/or maryland? or by ISP’s in Texas?

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LOL…

from the article…

“… want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you.”

sounds like the foreign policies of some “democratic” countries

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No the ones hosted in Chaubhurji, Lahore or Muridke :wink: Keep up with your denials. Soon no one is going to care what you guys think. It’s only a matter of time that the whole world wakes up and starts deporting anyone who believes in the Wahhabi death cult back to their land where they can practice their beheading and suicide bombing skills on their own people.

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what denials.. u're the one denying a fact that ALL Jihaadi websites that have been allowed to operate are ones hosted by dubious CIA front ISP's.. prove otherwise or keep indulging in those wet dreams of a mulloo dominated west..

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Like I said, keep living in denial land. CIA front ISPs :rolleyes: I bet they are the ones running terrorist madrassas in Binori Town :rolleyes:

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Root Causes for terrorism

  • Political Repression
  • Lack of self determination
  • The depravity of their rulers
  • Socio Economic prospects of populations

However:

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^ The truth is in between the two.

The political repression to poor social & economic health of the population facilitates terrorism. The true root cause are envy and hate.