No NK-Pak links: Jane

Jane’s editor rejects Pak-NK nuclear links
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-1-2003_pg7_9
ISLAMABAD: The Editor of Jane’s Intelligence Digest London, Eric Margolis has said the reports regarding trading of nuclear technology between Pakistan and North Korea are incredible and biased.

“I have followed this nuclear story for a long time. I find the story not credible”, Eric told CNN. I have seen no evidence of Pakistan as sharing its nuclear technology with North Korea”, he said. Asked did it happen ever in the past he said, “no I do not believe it ever did.”

Questioning the credibility of CIA reports he said, “ I am not very much confident of the reports of this agency.

He said the CIA because of its human intelligence resources has to rely very much on foreign intelligence services particularly India’s RAW intelligence service and Israel’s Mossad. They have self-serving and shaded information. —APP

wow! that gives me pause!

but then I read about musharaf vehemently denying such connections and that tells me they did the deal!

Jane’s doesn’t say it.

Eric Margolis does.

Is it a coincidence that Eric Margolis is a paid member of Islamabad’s Institute of Regional Studies :rolleyes:

Zakk, alot of Guppies said about you that you always seems to find ‘Good Articles’.

Here’s for you brother :biggthumb:

Before any accusations please dig out NK nuclear history.... Seems like they are way ahead of Pak... LOL......

To all our indian counterparts.. Have you seen NK Missile system technology they are lightyears ahead of us why would they require our help.

Admit it you indians just cant stomach a good post about Pakistan..

First get the facts.

North Korea had an advanced Plutonium based nuclear program. In 1994, US govt made a deal with them and put monitors and cameras inside their Plutonium reactor. So, N.Koreas couldn;t continue in that line.

Pakistan's program is Uranium based - so it gave N.Korea a completely different path that the Americans couldn;t accurately track until it was too late.

Getting a paid Gora to deny it is not going to cover up yers of documented facts ;)

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*Originally posted by Talwar: *
First get the facts.

North Korea had an advanced Plutonium based nuclear program. In 1994, US govt made a deal with them and put monitors and cameras inside their Plutonium reactor. So, N.Koreas couldn;t continue in that line.

Pakistan's program is Uranium based - so it gave N.Korea a completely different path that the Americans couldn;t accurately track until it was too late.

Getting a paid Gora to deny it is not going to cover up yers of documented facts ;)
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The fact is you won't admit since your Russian fighter jacks has record of crashing.

Well, lately there has been a lot ofcontroversy surrounding this. I personally interviewed a member of Pak defence establishment in D.C and he is of the view that Pakistan cannot ever imagine doing that. We are not fools that we would shoot in our own foot and antagonize our largest benefactor JApan. He outrightly rejected all these claims as baseless saying that its not at all possible. Things can come in but they can't go out of PAkistan.
However, he admitted that we cannot rule out the possibility of an electronic transfer of sensitive data. He said that we don't have any control over that.

Hmm Russia has just signed a major arms deal with India. And Russia is a weapon supplier to both NK, Iran and Iraq. It has also provided Nuke technology to Iran. While France did the same in the 80's to Iraq. Sooo that mean's India, Russia and France are linked to the axis of evil!!

"Bombing will commence in 10 minutes:P "

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*Originally posted by Talwar: *
First get the facts.

North Korea had an advanced Plutonium based nuclear program. In 1994, US govt made a deal with them and put monitors and cameras inside their Plutonium reactor. So, N.Koreas couldn;t continue in that line.

Pakistan's program is Uranium based - so it gave N.Korea a completely different path that the Americans couldn;t accurately track until it was too late.

Getting a paid Gora to deny it is not going to cover up yers of documented facts ;)
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I still dont get your point? You yourself are agreeing that NK has a better research system overall. So i guess your arugement is flawed. Open your eye's and you shall see.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A45961-2002Nov12&notFound=true

“Let’s put it this way: There were still shenanigans going on three months ago,” an administration official said. Intelligence officials who have briefed members of Congress have also disclosed the administration’s concerns that Pakistan’s illicit nuclear trade continued well into this year.

To you belive everything you read ?? Just shows your I.Q.!!

If we needed money we could easily charge the arabs for our service.. So i guess the fact the Hecklar&Koch chose to give the Licence to Pakistan instead of India just shows the service quality and trust the Pakistan Ordinace Factory has developed Internationally. Also not forgetting the fact that you should always question statistics and quoteations.

We know what would come of selling such dealdly technogy and i think the U.S. would easily sopt it, remember the NK missiles bound for Lebanon?

Intelligent posts only please.

NK NU(UN)clear history

N Korean Nuclear Arsenal
By Lee Wha Rang

The US-N Korea Geneva Nuclear Accord freezes N Korea’s nuke “activities” in return for six billion-plus dollars in aids. N Korea’s existing nuclear sites are not immediately affected. The accord does not address the “existing” nuclear devices. Its primary interest appears to be curtailing further expansion of nuke production in N Korea.
Nuke Sites
Yongbyon 0.1 megawatts thermal (MWt) critical assembly - This small reactor is believed to be the first nuclear reactor in N Korea. It was provided by the Soviet and went into operation in early 1960s. Its primary function is isotope production.

Yongbyon Reactor I - The construction of this natural uranium-graphite power reactor began in 1980 at Yongbyon, 100 km north of Pyongyang. It is based on a 1950 MAGNOX technology (graphite moderator, aluminum-magnesium clad natural uranium fuel , CO2 gas cooling). The reactor was completed in 1984 and it as was activated in February 1987 under Prof. Ha Kyong Won, a Korean physicist educated in US. After many startup problems, it was operating at 20-30 MW by 1990.
N Korea removed about 30 lb. of plutonium from this reactor in 1988 and built two nuclear bombs. From 1989 to 1991, N Korea may have extracted additional 60 lb. of plutonium, enough for five nukes.

Yongbyon Reactor II - A 50 MW MAGNOX-type reactor was started in 1984. N Korea built a military nuclear complex next to this reactor. This complex was completed in 1989 and the reactor was tentatively activated in 1992. This reactor alone is capable of producing enough plutonium for 10-12 nukes a year.

Taechon Reactor I - The construction of a 200 MW MAGNOX-type reactor was started at Taechon, 60 miles north of Pyongyang in 1988 and it is expected to be completed in 1996.

Taechon Reactor II - A 600-800 MW reactor is also underway at Taechon (completion possible by 1997). This reactor could produce 180-230 Kg of plutonium a year, enough for 30-40 nukes.

Simpo Reactor I - This 635mw reactor is based on a German design. In May 1989, N Korea and Germany signed a comprehensive agreement on the transfer of “substantial” amounts of German nuclear technology and nuclear weapons materials, including enriched uranium, to Pyongyang. The transfer of the German nuclear know-how has continued via Iran, Libya Syria and Yugoslavia.

Yongbyon Separation Plant - A plutonium separation facility (“Radiological Research Lab”) was built at Yongbyon in 1987. This plant is capable of handling several hundreds of tons of fuel a year, enough to handle fuel from all of the reactors , some 33 lb. of plutonium annually.. The plutonium factory for the nuclear weapons is a single story building constructed on top the main plutonium reprocessing facility, deep underground. In 1993, N Korea completed a second plant, doubling its capacity for plutonium production.
About 70 lb. were believed to have been extracted from the reactors since 1991. In 1992, N Korea bought 120 lb. of plutonium from a former Soviet block country and may have produced 10 bombs. It is quite possible that N Korea has acquired additional nuclear material from the former Soviet republics.

Most intelligence sources, including Russian and Chinese, state that N Korea has close to 10 operational nuclear warheads for its missiles and two nuclear devices that can be carried by truck , boat or transport aircraft. N Korean warheads are of 50 KT class, weighing around 1,100 lb.

N Korean Missiles
N Korea has deployed over 300 Nodong-x (medum range - Japan and Okinawa) and close to a thousand Scud-B/C missiles (short range - S Korea) all of which can carry nuclear or chemical warheads. NoDong-1’s have a range of 1,300km and NoDong-2’s have a range of 1,500-2,000km. N Korea is believed to have a limited number of Taepodong-x ICBMs (long range - America) hidden in underground tunnels.
The Taepo Dong-2 ICBM has a maximum range of 6,200 miles. The US DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) estimates that the missile has a range of about 4,650 miles with large nuclear warheads and 6,200 miles with smaller warheads. At the extreme of 6,200 mil es, the missile could reach all major West Coast cities (Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego,) and reach as far east as Chicago.

Why should PAK, N korean exchange of technology matter? Americans have only themselves to blame. They have abandoned us more then once, and we have had to face down an enemy ten times our size with far fewer resources. Im certain given the circumstances, any country would be more then willing to make shady under the table deals for the sake of national intrest (and we know America isnt beyond such dealings, lest we forget how often they have supplied weapons fr the sake of their own intrests.). So I say, Pakistan has the right to do whatever it can to defend its intrests and in this case, its national unity:k:
If America or anyone else has a problem with that, well then thats their problem not ours.

Oh boy, L.A is a target of Taepodong-x.