No neutral series for Pakistan - Collier

Thanks to Butt and his stupid comments.

No neutral series for Pakistan - Collier

   ESPNcricinfo staff

    David Collier, the chief executive of the ECB, has said that Pakistan are unlikely to be welcomed back to England for any series outside the Future Tours Programme, after relationships between the two boards dipped to a new low following the allegations from the PCB chairman, Ijaz Butt, that England's players accepted a bribe to lose the third ODI at The Oval on Friday. 

Earlier this summer, Pakistan played a series of two Tests and two Twenty20s against Australia in England, having been prevented from hosting their own home internationals due to security concerns following last year’s shootings in Lahore. There had been tentative plans for further such matches to take place in 2011, but Collier admitted that this was now effectively off the agenda.
“We have been through difficult times before with Pakistan, as we all remember,” said Collier. “They’ll certainly be part of the Future Tours Programme in the future, [although] it’s not for a few years that Pakistan are due to tour the UK. We are working with them on a number of [neutral] games, but we have to give it time. Time is a great healer, but now and probably next year is not the right time to consider that.”
Speaking to Sky Sports during the interval of the fourth ODI at Lord’s, Collier explained how a meeting involving the ECB and the England team management, that got underway at 9pm on Sunday night, ended up being extended into the early hours of Monday morning. A strongly worded joint statement was eventually released an hour before the start of the game today, in which the ECB promised to support any moves from the players towards legal action.
“The players were obviously incensed by the allegation, and quite rightly so,” said Collier. "The ICC have made it very, very clear that there were no England players were under any suspicion, therefore we have made the statements we’ve made today.
“There were some very difficult decisions for everybody to have to make, including the players, and I pay extreme credit to the players for the way they have conducted themselves throughout the whole series, not just for the past 24-48 hours. There was true leadership last night, and a lot of soul-searching, and I think the players, and the PCA, who have worked very closely with us, deserve a lot of credit.”
When asked how close the series had come to a cancellation, Collier admitted that “all options” had been examined, although the decision to play on had hinged on two key points. “One is the precedent,” he said. “If a comment is made, do we cancel a tour in the future, and that was a concern to the board. The second concern was that we didn’t learn until the middle of the afternoon yesterday, and a lot of people would have travelled for this game already. We owe it to the general public to put on a show.”
“It has been an extraordinary two to three weeks, and a very sad two to three weeks,” he added. "A lot of people have been under an awful lot of pressure, no-one more so than the chairman of the Pakistan board, who has been very much at the forefront of all of the response from the [PCB]. He’s done a lot of travelling during that period, so that is the sympathy that we have.
“This is different to anything I’ve experienced in cricket because has been over a prolonged period of time, not just one or two days, but the bigger concern is for the game as a whole,” said Collier. “The most important thing is that integrity is at the heart of the sport. If there is a cancer in the game, we have to get rid of it and it doesn’t matter where in the world it is and which team is involved. At the chief executives meeting last weekend, we made it very clear that there had to be zero tolerance, and we had to get it cut out of the game, if it is there.”

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Re: No neutral series for Pakistan - Collier

But this could all change if Ehsan Mani or Majid Khan were appointed the next PCB Chairman by Zardari....hoping against hope though

Good PR skills are a must for any PCB chairman

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the ECB can go suck an egg. I dont want the pakistani team to play here given the hostile environment. Lets not forget that they’re putting it on Butt’s outburst, sensitive plants that they are, but they’ve been making noises about ticket sales etc since the australia series, and they had announced the same thing as now about ten days ago.

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Thank you. Any self-respecting sportsman would rather not take the 'generous' hospitality again.

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That news you quoted was after the satay baazi came to light. Before that Pakistan was scheduled to play an ODI series either against India or SL next year. While I have no sympathy with the latest allegations the three satay baaz and butt’s incompetence has made things worse for us. While ECB can go suck an egg the loss is pakistan’s and the quicker we realise this the better.

Looking at Butt’s brilliant statement yesterday what is he really saying? That Umar Gul did jack all with his bowling, it was English players who gifted him his wickets. Hats off to PCB chief for degrading his own bowlers.

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Frankly english media is so biased, nosy and intrusive esp. when it comes to Pakistani teams that neutral series or not, we always court some sort of controversy here. Let's look at the recent series

1982 - marred by David constant's extremely biased umpiring so much so that Imran even thought about abandoning the test series
1987 - scandal-free
1992 - ball-tampering controversy...later when Flintoff and co. acquired the same skills of reverse swing, it came to be known as an art!
1996 - relatively scandal-free
2002 - pitch invasion and unruly behaviour by fans (at some of the ODI venues)
2006 - Ovalgate
2010 - spot-fixing + ICC's incompetency + Ijaz's stupidity

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No body gives a damn abour England now

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While Butts outburst is clearly unprofessional and counterproductive theres no shortage of comment and reaction from our own side on it. But the ECB had backed out of neutral venues before his outburst, and its disingenuous of them to think that they can amplify their perception of being hurt by putting this on Butt's statement. Even before the spot-fixing, I recall coverage of how they were worried about ticket sales esp because India was supposed to be unlikely to tour and SL wouldnt draw a lot of crowds. This couldnt be more of a blessing for them, and they're just milking as much as they can from it.

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I think the worry was more about crowd attendances for 'neutral' Pakistan-Australia series in england, whether english fans would be interested to go and watch these games. Pak-Eng games have traditionally always been very well-supported in england

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i meant for the neutral matches... such as Pak/Ind or Pak/SL... those are the ones that are cancelled right. the pak-eng matches werent schedued for another couple of years anyway

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Of course they will, but who gave them the chance to milk it?

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No neutral series, what about Pak-ngland series?

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They will go ahead but Pakistan is not due to tour England for a while now.

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FTP (i.e. bilateral series with eng) is unaffected

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This was expected.. but still bad news. It is easy to curse the English media but hey.. its the media.. media is the same everywhere. they milk any issue they get and you have to admit that the whole fixing scandal is a super seller. We cannot transfer our hostility to the english media to the english public, the ECB and the english players. The ECB has been quite gracious in hosting Pak this summer, havent they? Them and MCC have done so much for Pak cricket trying to revive it. That should not be forgotten. And after all this Butt's statements would surely pisss off the ECB and English players. The anger shouldve been directed at the English media and the ICC to some extent... not at the English players.

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Koi baat nahi...ek darwaza bund hota hai tou sattar khultey hein... :D


PS: Stick the n-vanue up their a**se...hmmmmmmmm :)

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Sayeee baat aey..... (sorry, I am a little Sarfarazzed right now)

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I believe, PCB and ECB can STILL drastically reduce their differences with removal of BUTT sahab and taking over by some sane head although I dont see any neutral series in next year or so.

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Butt is still making is idiotic statements.