Re: No Namaz for Transexual
So from a Sunni perspective, if a woman prays among men, her namaz will be not be accepted, right?
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
So from a Sunni perspective, if a woman prays among men, her namaz will be not be accepted, right?
Let's ask in religion forum :D . I'm pretty certain it wouldn't, because Sunni scholars were outraged at that movement in the US that is letting women lead prayers of a mixed congregation of men and women praying amongst each other.
The only way that I think a woman can pray amongst men is behind them. Similarly, i think that if a man tries to join an all-female congregation and tries to pray amongst them, his prayer won't be valid either.
But let's post this in religion forum to see.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
So let her/his prayers be void. Zaroor tang arani hay?
Unless you can prove that it will make your prayers void too (like the Hindus believe an achoot can't pray among them) then by all means shut them in the back.
During Hujj women pray among men but I know, I know, there is a special clause for that special condition.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
So let her/his prayers be void. Zaroor tang arani hay?
Unless you can prove that it will make your prayers void too (like the Hindus believe an achoot can't pray among them) then by all means shut them in the back..
Well given that they think she is a woman, (or as politely phrased by their mullah "not a normal man") and given that they believe that they are not supposed to pray whilst standin next to a woman praying, her presence there would could immense disruption.
Any man she tried to stand next to would then try and make sure his prayer complied with sunnah, by not praying next to a woman. So he would move away. The next guys she tried to pray amongst would also try and move......
....now if the mosque didn't have enough room for the men to keep reaaranging themselves so that none was standing next to a woman... you have a problem.
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From what I can see, the issue isnt about whether he can pray or not, its about whether he can pray among men. Could it be because he still has bodily features that are too reflective of (previously) being a woman? Could it be that the people aren't comfirtable around him, especially in the mens' prayer area because he looks like a woman still?
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
From what I can see, the issue isnt about whether he can pray or not, its about whether he can pray among men. Could it be because he still has bodily features that are too reflective of (previously) being a woman? Could it be that the people aren't comfirtable around him, especially in the mens' prayer area because he looks like a woman still?
Agreed- Allah is for everyone and anyone willing to accept Him.
We are all so loosing focus adn going off on tangents here.
Lo - now the threads been moved to religion. Let the fireworks begin.
I'm done here.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
The issue is that it's not a "himself". It's a "herself", and she is bound by the regulations in Islam that apply for women's prayers. The reaction of the village elders and cleric, and the circumstances described in the story, suggest that she has lived in the village for several years and that she was known in the village as being a woman before.
Women are not allowed to pray whilst standing amongst men. The fault of the village mullahs was not providing a facility for women to pray in, much as many desi run mosques do not have facilities for women.
This person has no right to pray amongst men unless the surgical procedure was to fix hermaphrodite features - something that is not referred to at all in the news story. The article suggest that the the person changed gender out of choice - something that Sunni Islam does not permit (I challenge anyone who disagrees to find a Sunni scholar who supports transgendering out of choice rather than correcting deformity)
This person does, on the other hand, have a right to pray jamaat amongst the rest of the women in her community.
Mad Sci: You are defining this person as a woman.
The person has male genitals.
The person might very well have a male genome, and male internal organs for which they might have undergone genital surgery.
You still hold to your opinions even in this situation??
How can you send someone with a pari of BALLS pumped up with testosterone into a women's prayer room??
The PROBLEM is that you guys don't have the facts, aur bhus bhol hi jaa rahe ho. You can't figure out where this person belongs unless you have their genotype, Imaging of their abdominal cavity, and a physical exam report on your hand, and you have NONE of that. You're just assuming things.
Can you cite something from the article that is suggesting to you the surgery was done for the hell of it? I don't see any such indication. I think you're jumping the gun.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
PCG honey this is a forum -- thats what we do here discuss thing. App ithna personal nahee lo -
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
sigh .. the thread has been derailed.
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We need a mod cleanup on the Hazrat Aisha (ra) issue, I won't take it further in this thread.
PCG: I still define the person as a woman because God made her that way. All that's happened is that a surgeon has mutilated her body to give it male functionality.
Saying that she'll now be sexually predative on women and therefore should be treated like a man is a weak argument - if a lesbian were to want to pray you would still make her pray amongst the women and not with the men.
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Not a bigger problem than a guy with a B O problem trying to pray among pakeeza men.
Well given that they think she is a woman, (or as politely phrased by their mullah "not a normal man") and given that they believe that they are not supposed to pray whilst standin next to a woman praying, her presence there would could immense disruption.
Any man she tried to stand next to would then try and make sure his prayer complied with sunnah, by not praying next to a woman. So he would move away. The next guys she tried to pray amongst would also try and move......
....now if the mosque didn't have enough room for the men to keep reaaranging themselves so that none was standing next to a woman... you have a problem.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
ahmadjee bhaijaan, don't even start....have I ever told you that stench story of praying once in philly mosque with this brother with huge b.o. problem?
truth of the matter is that this not a sunnah or religious issue. it's simply an issue of primitive thinking and male pig mentality trying to pass it on as some kinda religious binding. idiots. because if you go by sunnah then there are a lot of skeltons in that closet.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
The guys defending this she-man's actions would be the same who would be people defending someone who wanted to pray nude in the Masjid on the basis of 'tolerance'...
What ignorance...
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Roman Bhaijaan, I don't think sunnah has any skeltons, ummah sure does.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
Well, transexuality is haram in Islam, I don't know the opinion of scholars but I think now he's a man so we should treat him as a man and allow him to stay among men's section for prayer.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
Saying that she'll now be sexually predative on women and therefore should be treated like a man is a weak argument - if a lesbian were to want to pray you would still make her pray amongst the women and not with the men.
Then the whole argument of keeping men and women separate, in prayer and in life, is also a weak argument.
Re: No Namaz for Transexual
The guys defending this she-man's actions would be the same who would be people defending someone who wanted to pray nude in the Masjid on the basis of 'tolerance'...
What ignorance...
there is no defense, just a simple question, should this person be in the men's section or the women's section. because there has to be one answer...and if this individual is barred from oen section then the person should be allowed the complete privileges of the other section in religious, social, educational arenas.
and an inquiry as to how eunichs are treated..cuz in their case that is how god made them, would they be in men's section or women's section, and nto just in a mosque, in a school, in a social event, at a slumber party.
thats it..so lets hear the answer, so far there is none.
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The idea that people who don't believe that women and men are allowed to pray together are even discussing the rights of transexuals makes no sense. It's kinda like a 1st grade math student attempting trigonometric calculations.
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may help if preschool crayola drawing artists stay away :)
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We need a mod cleanup on the Hazrat Aisha (ra) issue, I won't take it further in this thread.
PCG: I still define the person as a woman because God made her that way. All that's happened is that a surgeon has mutilated her body to give it male functionality.
Saying that she'll now be sexually predative on women and therefore should be treated like a man is a weak argument - if a lesbian were to want to pray you would still make her pray amongst the women and not with the men.
You define someone with both male and female sex organs as female. So, you define someone with a ding-dong and a uterus as female. You're telling me that someone with a combination of sex organs is no different than a female. Now that a real compliment to womanhood.
Thanks a lot.
Lets just take everyone with a deformity and call them female, shall we?
rabies-infested puppy with its tongue hanging out - boy or girl? Oh its definitely a girl. You know. Because its messed up.