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US lovers can also watch photos of a poor iraqi woman raped by US soldiers:
http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
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Will u enlighten me if these US soldiers were punished or even tried
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ughhhhh :yukh:
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i heard those pics on that website were from a porn movie rather than real rape pics. i can't believe u posted it though
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yeah, they were punished with a paycheck…same with the girl.
i can send you a torrent link for this porno if you want it. 
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I cant believe you have the nerves to call the victims of sodomy and rape pornstars.
You’r as bad as those people who commited those hideous acts.
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:yukh:
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Porno or no porno. The fact of the matter is that such acts have been committed in the prisons, by these damn rednecks. And we all know that.
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i just pointed out that those images were from a porno and you go all ape **** on me. calm the fvck down
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Sharaabi - he didn't say VICTIMS were pornstars, he said the images are from a porn movie. Therefore, they are not victims they are actors/actress.
geesh
Grow up people. Everyone got prideful and started throwing out crap (yeah it was crap) just to show that my rapes are cleaner than yours are. How stupid is this kind of behavior????
PLEASE.....
Everyone kindly focus on your own back yard and realize it is happening all over. Think about changing where YOU are instead of worrying about your neighbor.
Thanks....
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A breath of fresh air.
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PCg, what exactly are those precautions? Why cannot the same precautions be applied/adopted in pakistan?
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I think they are applied in Pakistan actually, and yet its such a pity that girls do their hundred percent to maintain their dignity, and yet guys still manage to get away with their crimes.
The precautions I'm talking about are travelling in groups and with males (family members, etc), not travelling out at night unless with a man (and hell, even in khi, I wouldn't recommend it if a girl had a pack of 8 guys with her), keeping yourself covered (i.e. wear chaddar in bazaar which is invariably filled with perverts who hang around looking for girls), not talking to strangers, not going around with strangers, etc.
I would say the only precaution I don't see Pakistani women adopting, which would not be a bad idea to instituionalize, would be how to physically fight an aggressor (like rape protection classes).
Oh and also the state really should be informing every female that the moment she gets raped, she needs to take herself to a hospital and get the semen samples examined, and also get a rape check-up to verify that she was raped. So she can use it in court.
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PCG, they are all good ideas. I agree with you that they need to educate the women so they will go to the hospiatl....however, I dont think they have any crime labs in Pakistan or DNA database or a facility that can conduct such tests so the criminals can be implicated. One other reason is the stigma that is attached to the woman who is raped in our society, soemhow she becomes a pariah and she will do anything to hide it so she can live her life.
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Wait, so now you guys are saying that US soldiers are raping women?
Okay, I don't condone rape at all, under any circumstances. But I question you again. What are you trying to prove? You point to me 100 US soldiers who raped Iraqi females, I'll agree with you that they ought to be punished.
But in return, I can point to you 100 Pakistani soldiers who raped fellow muslim (notice MUSLIM) bengali women when Pakistan warred with India over Bangladesh.
Plus, I can also tell you that if you're not American, then don't worry about American rapists - they'll get punished. But as a Pakistani, you are in a position where you are capable of doing something about Pakistani rapes.
So, instead of helping Pakistani women, you instead waste your time by blaming that the West has the same problems.
Well, I got news for you. That approach will not solve Mukhtaran-Mai type problems in Pakistan. That approach will not change the fact that when your mom goes to Pakistani bazaars, that she might get abducted and raped. That approach will not change the fact that women are getting raped in your own homeland daily and they are scared to even speak about it, because if they don't produce 4 witnesses, then they will be accused of adultery/fornication and will recieve a death sentence themselves!
It wont change the fact that Pakistan is not applying Islamic laws on rape properly. It wont change the fact that rapists are walking free in that country, and that a small proportion are being punished by death, which is the correct Islamic punishment for rape.
Like I said, no soldier should rape any woman. But unfortunately, soldiers do this in all kinds of wars. This is a historical fact. Where you have war, you have rape. Its unfortunate any woman has to go thru this ordeal. But then don't fight wars. Manage your country right as muslims, so that others don't invade it.
But no, you're too busy pointing fingers. But Pakistan wont benefit from that appraoch. Neither will women.
Let us Americans worry about American women. You worry about the women of your own culture and country.
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PCG, they are all good ideas. I agree with you that they need to educate the women so they will go to the hospiatl....however, I dont think they have any crime labs in Pakistan or DNA database or a facility that can conduct such tests so the criminals can be implicated. One other reason is the stigma that is attached to the woman who is raped in our society, soemhow she becomes a pariah and she will do anything to hide it so she can live her life.
They do have the facilities. At least in all the major cities they do. Villages, they can't do DNA tests on the site, but they can at least collect the sample from the female, do a bruise check, and send the sample off to a lab in a big city hospital to be run.
I know for a fact in KHI, Aga Khan Hospital has these services. I'm pretty sure Jinnah does as well - my cousin worked for both of these hospitals.
And its the State's responsibility to institute a fast and easy method and inform and enlighten women about what they can do.
The fact is, that despite medical reports that verify a woman has been raped by a particular man, you sometimes have the guy getting away with the crime claiming that she said yes to the act. So the guy's testimony is believed in such cases. Another cousin of mine, she's a lawyer, was telling me of these types of cases that are pretty rampant.
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Like I said, no soldier should rape any woman. But unfortunately, soldiers do this in all kinds of wars. This is a historical fact. Where you have war, you have rape. Its unfortunate any woman has to go thru this ordeal. But then don't fight wars. Manage your country right as muslims, so that others don't invade it.
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Pcg,
u r much more pathetic than i could imagine.
U acquitted henious crime of not any lesser magnitude than MAI's case......u just stated that it happens!!!!!!!
Whats if it u or ur mother happened to be born in Iraq,and,u got the same traetment?and someone will walk upto u and say well it happens in wars......its not soldiers fault its Saddams???????
Based on these stupid arguments that u have put forward u copuld probably tell MAI's family,had they worked hard,get educated they would not be in that stupid village and meet this fate.
Try telling this statem,ent to an iraqi women and she 'll r*** u
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You have no right to criticize the actions of a country if you don't have it's citizenship. But...Yea! There is a country....If you're citizen of that country, you can badmouth all humanity. They are right to tell us that we as Pakistani are nothing but a bunch of perverts and we simply don't care about the ills afflicting us. We need to listen to the angelic human beings, the paragon of virtue, the epitome of civilization. I accept that. Who am I? A pervert? Do I even care? No, I don't. That is what my freinds here tell me.
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what idiocy....in the US, rapists are punished and treated very harshly....they get sent to maximum-security prisons. even if they are released from prison, their Sex Offender status is publicized to their neighborhoods and towns...the rest of their lives are very difficult. The rape victims are treated extremely well in this country.
The outrage in the Mukhtaran Mai case was not simply the gangrape....moreso the purposeful release of the rapists and no earnest attempt to bring them to justice (only after all the bad PR)...and more importantly, the fact that she is being punished in many ways and being treated poorly by the Government.
random rape statistics for the US don't change any of this. also, whats the point of posting these statistics when there are no pakistani rape stats to even compare with?
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Iconoclast, you took my words out of context of course. No woman should be raped, whether by the "respected" leaders of a neighboring village or by soldiers of another country.
My statement is that if you want to talk about Iraq, first look at why the soldiers are in Iraq. Who let US troops in and facilitated the war? The Shia Muslims who wanted Saddam Hussain and his sunni regime out.
Didn't these muslims stop and think that if there is going to be war, there will inevitably be innocent deaths, civilian violence, anarchy, and rape of women?
Therefore, let me repeat what I already said.
Rape WILL HAPPEN in war. If you want security for your women, then don't get into wars. And Iraq and the rest of the muslim world could have prevented this war from happening - they just didn't raise enough of a stink about it.
Rape WILL HAPPEN in villages where ignorance is paramount, and where national law and provincial law is inept and ineffective. People will take matters into their own hands, and they wont follow the Quran's teachings, because guess what? They read the Quran in arabic, and they don't have a clue as to what it says!
The statement "Rape WILL HAPPEN" is not the same as "Rape should happen".
I'm sorry that your verbal skills are pathetic, Iconoclast. May I recommend an SAT prep class?