No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

So, this project is dead?

ISLAMABAD: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed - World Wires - MiamiHerald.com

By Tom Hussain

McClatchy Foreign Staff

ISLAMABAD – Pakistan’s newly elected government Wednesday unveiled its first budget, which gave the go-ahead for buying two new nuclear power plants from China but made no allocation for a long-proposed natural gas pipeline from Iran that had sparked complaints from the United States.

In not budgeting for the Iranian pipeline, agreed to by his predecessor in February, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif tactfully sidestepped a potential diplomatic clash with the United States, which had warned that the pipeline, if it were ever built, could lead to sanctions on Pakistan. The deal also was criticized as a trap for the new administration by Sharif’s brother and de facto deputy, Shahbaz Sharif, the chief minister of Punjab province.

The $35.5 billion budget, which was presented to Parliament by the new minister for finance, Ishaq Dar, suggested that the new government would follow through on Sharif’s plan to resolve the country’s power shortages that Dar said had cut the country’s economic growth by 2 percent in the outgoing fiscal year, which ends June 30.

Dar’s budget would switch Pakistan’s power generation plants from expensive imported fuel oil and gas to much cheaper coal sourced partly from undeveloped reserves in Pakistan’s southern Sindh province. The rest probably would come from huge mines in India, Pakistan’s traditional foe, with which it has fought two wars since both gained independence from Britain in 1947.

The South Asian neighbors opened talks Tuesday about the planned import of Indian electricity via cross-border cables near the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore.

The budget also sets aside about $430 million for new nuclear power plants from China, a project that the United States and India have both objected to at meetings of the Nuclear Supplier Group, one of the international groups that attempts to prevent nuclear proliferation. But Pakistan insists that the plants are unconnected to the country’s nuclear weapons program and are regularly inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Pakistan possesses between 80 and 120 nuclear weapons, according to estimates by Western analysts.

A Cabinet minister, speaking to McClatchy on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the project with a reporter, said the Iranian gas pipeline hadn’t been altogether dropped, largely because that would invoke a penalty payment to Iran. Instead, he said, Pakistan’s new government would procrastinate by trying to haggle lower prices from Tehran, based on the comparison with coal.

Analysts also said Sharif could forgo the Iranian pipeline because of the prime minister’s good relations with Saudi Arabia. Sharif spent six years in exile in the Persian Gulf kingdom as part of a deal for his release from jail in Pakistan negotiated by the Saudi royal family, after he was overthrown in a military coup staged by Gen. Pervez Musharraf in October 1999.

Pakistani news outlets have reported that Sharif’s administration has since last month quietly been holding talks with the Saudis for a steady supply of crude oil and refined products on a deferred-payment basis, a step that would considerably ease pressure on the country’s treasury, which registered a record 8.5 percent fiscal deficit in the waning fiscal year.

Analysts said the new energy proposals are consistent with Sharif’s plan to stay focused on solving problems at home. They expect him to continue to adopt policies different from those favored by the Pakistani military, which has pursued an ambitious strategy of involvement in Afghanistan.

“Sharif is a man who views matters in very simple terms,” said Habib Akram, executive editor of Dunya, a popular cable news channel based in Lahore.

“He is completely focused on fixing Pakistan’s internal problems, and believes developments in Afghanistan are somebody else’s indigenous problem that doesn’t concern Pakistan as long as the violence there doesn’t spill over its borders,” Akram said.

Read more here: ISLAMABAD: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed - World Wires - MiamiHerald.com

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

So it was a stunt after all? Backbone and PPP? :hehe:

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

I talked to a CEO of a big company about the gas. He said it won't be a feasible project in terms of cost. The gas is too expensive to be of any use.

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

Whether it was stunt of PPP or some one living in the pitch darkness of ignorance or stupidity. However the project was initiated in 1994 and continued to linger on. Read history.

Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project | DAWN.COM

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

This will be a great mistake of N$ if the so called sher succumb to the outside pressures. Pakistan will continue to suffer no matter who rules the country as long as the people at top do not realize that interest of country is above all other interests. Perhaps that is one of the reason Kh Asif said there would be no end to load shedding and energy shortage.

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

Can't you talk in a civil manner or do all jiyalas take lessons on politeness from faisal raza abidi? The cost for the gas is out there (re: google search) and any person with deductive logic would know that it would be expensive as it is pegged at 70% of petrol prices in the market.

If pee pee pee really cared then it would have started dam projects like kalabagh instead of playing politics with them. Don't store water in it if someone has an issue with it but make it an electricity producing carry over dam. We already lose a lot of life and property when floods strike with no water management whatsoever.

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

It was a political stunt by Zard ... Hope Pakistan has the option to review the contract terms.

I have a strong feeling that we'll be stuck in it if the present terms are agreed. More like the IPPs where; we have to produce electricity with expensive oil, we have to pay them regardless we buy or not, they can repatriate all the profit they want, they are not subject to taxation. Most of our energy woes can be traced back to those kick-back infested times.

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

What political stunt? can you elaborate? The project has been strongly recommended by your leader, perhaps his advisers on enegy are either dumb or ignorant of above fact. Why don’t you become an energy adivsor to Imran Khan and convince him what you are saying here eh?

**We Pakis had never been agreeable since partition on key issues even those affect the whole nation just because some one did/does not like the party or the leader. The subjective nonsese comments based not on Pakistan’s interest but on personal preferences. That is why we Pakis are so much polarized and make every effort to discount opponent even though such projects, key issues benefit the whole nation. It is a shame and make us different from Indians, who are also divided on ethnic and religious biases, but when comes to India’s interests, they are one nation.

The project was initiated by BB in 1994-95, Zardari had no involvement then. The project was continuted to be viable during former N$'s, Musharraf governments. **

**Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia

Timeline**

Discussions between the governments of Iran and Pakistan started in 1994.[SUP][4]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP] A preliminary agreement was signed in 1995. This agreement foresaw construction of a pipeline from South Pars gas field to Karachi in Pakistan. Later Iran made a proposal to extend the pipeline from Pakistan into India. In February 1999, a preliminary agreement between Iran and India was signed.[SUP][5]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
In 2004 the project was revived after the UNDP’s report Peace and Prosperity Gas Pipelines by Gulfaraz Ahmed was published in December 2003. The report highlighted benefits of the pipeline to Pakistan, India and Iran.[SUP]citation needed][/SUP]
In February 2007, India and Pakistan agreed to pay Iran US$4.93 per million British thermal units (US$4.67/GJ) but some details relating to price adjustment remained open to further negotiation.[SUP][6]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
In April 2008, Iran expressed interest in the People’s Republic of China’s participation in the project.[SUP][7]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP] In August 2010, Iran invited Bangladesh to join the project.[SUP][8]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
In 2009, India withdrew from the project over pricing and security issues, and after signing a civilian nuclear deal with the United States in 2008.[SUP][9]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][10]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP] However, in March 2010 India called on Pakistan and Iran for trilateral talks to be held in May 2010 in Tehran.[SUP][11]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
On 30 January 2013, the Pakistan’s federal government approved a deal with Iran for laying the Pakistan’s segment of a pipeline.[SUP][12]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP] On 27 February 2013, the construction of the Pakistani section was agreed.[SUP][13]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][14]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP] On 11 March 2013, inauguration of the construction works on the Pakistani section of the pipeline were inaugurated by president of Pakistan Asif Ali Zardari and president of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.[SUP][15]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][16]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][17]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][18]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP] According with Javad Owji, managing director of the National Iranian Gas Company, the pipeline in Pakistan is expected to be constructed in 22 months with the participation of Iran.[SUP][19]](Iran–Pakistan gas pipeline - Wikipedia)[/SUP]

Imran favours Pak-Iran gas pipeline project | AAJ News

**LAHORE: Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf Chairman Imran Khan said on Monday that Pak-Iran Gas pipeline project was in country’s interest but the delay in finalization of seven years old project was beyond thinking.

In a statement issued here, PTI Chairman said that the PAK-Iran gas pipeline project was in favor of the country but the questions is that why the government has finalized such project at a time when assemblies were set to dissolve.**

Sharif to continue Iran gas pipeline project

** ISLAMABAD: Despite pressure from the United States, the new Pakistani government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has officially announced in its Annual Plan for the fiscal year 2013-14, which begins next month, that it will implement the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project, negotiated with Tehran by President Asif Ali Zardari, targeting the first flow of gas in December 2014.

According to the energy strategy unveiled in the Annual Plan 2013-14, the project’s cost has been reduced to $1.25 billion against earlier estimates of $1.5bn.

Under the IP gas pipeline project, Pakistan will import 750 mmcfd of gas to generate 4,000 Megawatts of power to overcome the crippling power crisis.

According to the plan, the government plans to appoint a third party inspection agency for the IP project in June-July 2013. It has also planned to procure equipment and material to begin construction in the financial year 2013-14.

The government has also targeted to complete the construction of Pakistan’s portion of the pipeline in the new fiscal year, at which time the first gas flows are expected to begin.

At the same time, the Sharif government is also planning on committing to the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline project. Under this project, about 3.2bn cubic feet per day of gas will flow through the 1,680km pipeline. The estimated cost of the pipeline is about $7.6bn.

During the fiscal year 2012-13, which will end by the end of this month, the expected local production of oil was 74,000 barrels per day against a target of 69,000 barrels per day, exceeding the target by 5,000 barrels per day.

However, gas production fell short of the target, as the domestic gas production was expected to be 4,200 mmcfd against the 4,791 mmcfd target.

A total of only 83 wells (30 exploratory and 53 appraisal/development wells) were expected to be drilled against a target of 100 wells.

**

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

I am not a cult follower. If IK thinks that pegging price of gas to price of oil (80%?) is a good idea, I would disagree.

Initially, it was IPI pipeline and Pakistan was not even interested in buying gas but only to receive rent for the pipeline from India/Iran. Purchase of gas was later included when our energy demands increased and we did not explore our own oil/gas reserves and then we invited IPPs.

The pipeline from Iran is a great idea. I do not disagree with that. I am just saying that we might need to review the terms of agreement before going ahead and serious work cannot start without peace in Baluchistan which seems to be a pipedream for now.

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

I can't believe that pakistan has zero leverage with iran under the squeeze these days internationally. Why not include china in the project as they have the kahones to squeeze the Eye ranis?

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

Iran is brother Muslim country. I don’t think they will be rigid on Pakistani’s genuine concerns. Modification in contract should not be a big issue. However abandoning this project on external pressures will leave Pakistan nowhere. Even India is willing to resume negotiations with Iran about this project. If trust between NS and Indian PM is created, I don’t see why India will not participate in this project.

**
PressTV - India voices willingness to resume ?IPI? gas pipeline negotiations

**
**Indian External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid has voiced New Delhi’s willingness to reenter negotiations over a project that would have transferred Iranian gas to India via Pakistan.

The project, which was initially referred to as the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) or Peace Pipeline, was inaugurated by Tehran and Islamabad after India abandoned negotiations in 2009 despite preliminary agreements with Iran and Pakistan.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari officially inaugurated the final construction phase of the multi-billion-dollar now-renamed Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project on March 11, 2013.

On Saturday, Khurshid said India was ready to participate in the project.

Khurshid made the announcement in a meeting with Ali Akbar Velayati, senior adviser to Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, in Iran’s capital, Tehran.

Indian Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister M. Veerappa Moily said in late March that his country is willing to join the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project, describing the multi-billion-dollar project as “beneficial” to New Delhi.

The Indian external affairs minister also expressed his country’s readiness to invest in the development of the Iranian port of Chabahar.

The Hindustan Times quoted Khurshid on Sunday as saying that, "We are going ahead with the Chabahar project. Cabinet has already cleared it.”
Tehran and New Delhi are expected to ink an agreement to turn Iran’s Southern port city of Chabahar into a hub for the transit of Indian goods to Afghanistan.

The Indian external affairs minister also welcomed the construction of the North-South Transport Corridor, which connects the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf to the Caspian Sea via Iran, ultimately stretching to St. Petersburg and North Europe via the Russian Federation.

Khurshid arrived in Tehran on Friday to attend the 17th meeting of Iran-India Joint Economic Commission, scheduled to be held in the Iranian capital on May 3-5.

On Saturday, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi and Khurshid signed four memoranda of understanding to expand cooperation between the two countries.

During his stay in Iran, the Indian external affairs minister will also inaugurate the Indian Culture Centre in Tehran and hold talks with the Indian community in Iran.

**

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

http://www.geotauaisay.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/shabo8.jpg

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

Yes dont have money for this project while 3 Billions Rs have been announced for the Laptop Scheme

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

That laptop thing must have nice 'returns' for someone. It has to be one of the worst ideas N has come up with.

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

That is not the only failure scheme they had launched. Sasti roti, yellow cab taxi etc have caused billions in losses to the government in past. By now they should have learned the lesson, will not repeat such retard stupidity in future.

Re: No money in Pakistan budget for Iranian gas pipeline U.S. opposed

Why are Pakistanis getting energy from India?

Really now?