:). Anand, pls. provide links or references to validate your argument of Buddha having no belief in the existence of God. My thinking is otherwise. Some historians have documented that Buddha did not have any belief in God because he thought religious ideas orginated in fear, and there was no logic to support the presence of a God. But I have read thru accounts where he does not give any logic that supports the absence of God either. Therefore I do not believe he was an atheist.
Whatever you are writing has nothing to do with Buddha, but is a Buddhist thought and nothing else.
Buddhist "thought" is derived from Buddha. They do converge. *Modern *Buddhist leanings go against Siddharta's original teachings... Buddhist thought, so to speak. Modern Buddhism idolizes Buddha as an image of the Lord.. Siddharta, as you (incorrectly I may add) elevated to atheist, would not have approved of the idolatry of modern "buddhists". Modern accounts - esp. internet accounts - do, I agree, give a very general image of Buddha as an atheist, but perhaps if you were to do that route, it would be better to call him a deist who believed that there was a God but relied soly on reason as God had created the world and then left it to its own devices. However, if you wish to concur with my own analysis, I refer you to Siddharta by Hermann Hesse, and any or all of the Discourses of Buddha.
Buddha focused on human life and suffering, more than supernatural belief. He was more concerned with the human condition and alleviation of that condition, he did not concern himself with how the world was created and who ruled it. It was a done deal to him, that the earth and human life existed because they just did. That does not make him an atheist - someone who has thought about or spent a great deal of time going thru a believe-and-discard process concerning a possible Creator. It simply means, he was resigned to the fact that humans did exist, for whatever reason, but if they had to live, might as well be by doing things right. Why only right? Because man's first natural instinct is to do good, therefore the first natural instinct must be correct and muct be acted upon.
"Bear always in mind what it is that I have not elucidated, and what it is that I have elucidated. And what have I not elucidated? I have not elucidated that the world is eternal; I have not elucidated that the world is not eternal; ... I have not elucidated that the soul and the body are identical; I have not elucidated that the monk who has attained (the arahat) exists after death; I have not elucidated that the arahat does not
exist after death; ... I have not elucidated that the arahat neither exists nor does not exist after death. And why have I not elucidated this? **Because this profits not, nor has to do with the fundamentals of religion; therefore I have not elucidated this.*
And what have I elucidated? Misery have I elucidated; the origin of misery have I elucidated; the cessation of misery have I elucidated; and the path leading to the cessation of misery have I elucidated. And why have I elucidated this? Because this does profit, has to do with the fundamentals of religion, and tends to absence of passion, to knowledge, supreme wisdom, and Nirvana." * - Gautam Buddha
Later Buddha preached equality, fraternity and off course opposed the existing Hindu pattern of life, opposed the cast system.
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Buddhist school was the first revolution against Brahmin culture in India.
Yes, it was. I take it you are Hindu, hence understandable that you oppose original Buddhist philosophy.
Thru meditation, or by repeating of some words, or concentrating the mind on something particular…mind becomes deaf and dump.
If you remember, Buddha did not advocate meditation himself. The ascetics he dwelt with, practiced it, and he followed them. However, after attaining Nirvana, he did not preach meditation but wisdom.. like Confuscius. His first disciples likewise, did not practice extensive meditation, but sought knowledge through periods of meditation, but Buddha himself did not advance it.
that all those people.... have...totally idiot eyes.
Well of course, if one does mindless meditation without having undergone a strenous life, one will have idiot eyes, similar to junkies, drug addicts and other fools. Ek dhoondo hazaar milengey.
The reason Buddha is followed is not because he had the capacity to meditate long hours and hence gain idiot eyes, but because he was a wise man. After discovering the Four Noble Truths that lead to a knowledge of suffering, the truth of suffering, the extinction of suffering and the last one I forget.. truth that leads to the extinction of suffering I think... Buddha did not keep this knowledge to himself, instead he went about the world and preached it. He was very young when he gained Enlightenment - less than 40 years of age. At that age, for a noble prince to go about the world spreading his learnings whatever they may be, was a great deal... especially to go on doing it for forty odd years. I think it was in Benares that he gave his first non-tuition class, to just a handful of diciples. The Eightfold path - Right Understanding, Right Thought, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, and Right Concentration - knowledge of these things did not come to him just thru sitting under a Banyan tree for a forty day stretch. The man was truly worthy of being followed, listened to.. he deserved an audience. His first few disciples took his words and spread them.
Now, even in this day and age, when information is dissemated, there is a tendency for something to fall thru the cracks. Likewise, in Buddhist philosophy, from the orginal teachings there were twists and turns and modifications made here and there... and we end up with the current schools floating around.
Like you say, Buddha's salvation had nothing to do with meditation, but it has everything to do with knowledge. Knowledge does not come thru immersing yourself in stress, but contemplation of stress, struggles and suffering. Like I said b4, one need not solely meditate for hours and hours to gain knowledge.. you become wiser simply by applying thought to the proceeds of an action. That is the essence of true Buddhist philosophy.