Niqab - why it is such a big issue in the non-Muslim countries?

i am sure everyone has heard of the latest on the issue of Niqab being worn by a british Musalimah teacher & her case.

i am perturbed by the end result of the case as i followed it through news.

this is what i think. Hijab is still considered alright even though it does turn the non Muslims’ crowd’s heads, from time to time. but what really is stand offish to them is the Niqab.

it is so, partly because, the image of a woman clad from head to toe in a couple of black pieces of covering gear ( i love the beaded ones), is intimidating. we have to accept that it does cause the illusion of someone hiding behind the Niqab, as the face cannot be seen.

the problem for us Muslims and Musalimahs is that we need to dissociate the link between a female person from our faith, who covers her face, from the idea that she might be definitely intending to hoodwink civil law and is up to some ‘operation’ of terror.

is it a hindrance in professions where the interface of humans is necessary? for instance, a teacher with a learner, a doctor with a patient, a news broad cast with a people watching t.v. news.

well, a friend of mine is absolutely right, the hindrance of walking on a half foot long pair of heels, & mini skirt that can actually cause frost bite in the cold in western regions of the world, is obviously no hindrance for a young woman in the west, even though it causes a lot of distraction in the same professions, and that too, where others are pleased at the site of the flesh showing or flirtsy overtures being made.

let’s say that a woman is clad modestly, and in pants and a full sleeve buttoned up shirt and takes a shawl and is properly maintaining a good distance from the people she walks among,
but, she also wants to adopt her identity as a Musalimah by covering her face in front of all na-mherems.
what is so wrong with that, if she is other wise documented as a law abiding citizen of a non Muslim country?

the problem is that in ‘Muslim countries’ and with the attitude that primarily the men therein have, there are double standards. & sadly enough, in ‘Muslim countries’, most of the bollywood blase’ mentality is ERODING the morals of our generation - young women especially, as they are also becoming tempting to & are successfully learning to disrobe themselves in front of anybody. the cheap tease and the implicit themes of lustfulness as can be seen trickling down into Pakistani dramas and Arab videos, are all signs of a confused Muslim sentiment about what their entertainment media is sinking low down to.

in this context, when we have cases like the teacher in Britain whose case has been dismissed and she is out of work, is the outcome of an impression, that when you adopt a country, u should be open minded enough to also integrate in its systems, without having to fore go your true personality or cultural values.
why is she had been asked to come into her classroom without the Niqab, is simply because, right now, her Niqab is not seen as a symbol of her identity as a Musalimah, but as an unlawful provocation, a threat to the socially free-base of british society.

we need to realize the non Muslim countries where exposing one’s skin is considered a good ‘marketable’ phenomenon, have this itch to create an expose’ against the “Niqab proper” because it does make them doubtful of the integrity of the immigrants, since anybody covered can be just that - ‘any body’ covered under a disguise.

many convert Musalimahs wear Hijab easily but they do not necessarily cover their faces. ideally, any society should be mindful enough that a lady walking down the street is not ‘some thing’ to be hit on, that ‘it is fine’ if she has no problems in working from within her covered face.

Mary used to wear a long veil & a nice tunic. Prophets’ wives Sarah, Rebbekah, Leah and Rachel use to wear long tunics and veils.

i respect Hijab and Niqab both & i so wish that these were not reduced to the ‘veiled pleasure’ notion of a woman, whose very grace as a Musalimah is in adorning them.

still, why do we forget to first make the people, who have a reservation against Niqab and Hijab, understand as to why they are necessary as symbol of Musalimahs’ identity. we, as conservative and/or moderate Muslims and Musalimahs, living in both Muslim or non Muslim countries, have to carefully approach this issue and make room for understanding for the non-Muslims, as to why Musalimahs (out of their choice), want to wear Hijab or Niqab and that it should not be automatically linked to them being disruptive in social interactions or being up to misusing their hidden identity for some god damned fabricated national threat or any other alibi of such nature & non-Muslims too have a responsibility to at least be willing to understand the reason for a Musalimah to be covered the way she chooses to be.

what suggestions do you have to possibly handle this dilemma?

dushi

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she also wants to adopt her identity as a Musalimah by covering her face in front of all na-mherems.
what is so wrong with that, if she is other wise documented as a law abiding citizen of a non Muslim country?

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well if things were as simple as that in practical life....then the world would be a safe & clean & pure place to live in.........no conflicts @ all.....but well....thoretical & practical are two different things............

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the problem is that in ‘Muslim countries’ and with the attitude that primarily the men therein have, there are double standards. & sadly enough, in ‘Muslim countries’, most of the bollywood blase’ mentality is ERODING the morals of our generation - young women especially, as they are also becoming tempting to & are successfully learning to disrobe themselves in front of anybody. the** cheap tease** and the** implicit themes of lustfulness** as can be seen trickling down into Pakistani dramas and Arab videos, are all signs of a confused Muslim sentiment about what their entertainment media is sinking low down to.
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yea......we seem to think tht all others are better than us ....so why not try to copy them...or be like them...........we should learn to cherish what is our's.....& not what is other's........learn to learn wht is good from other's...& not what is bad in others........

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in this context, when we have cases like the teacher in Britain whose case has been dismissed and she is out of work, is the outcome of an impression, that when you adopt a country, u should be open minded enough to also integrate in its systems, without having to fore go your true personality or cultural values.
why is she had been asked to come into her classroom without the Niqab, is simply because, right now, her Niqab is not seen as a symbol of her identity as a Musalimah, but as an unlawful provocation, *a threat to the socially free-base of british society.
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& these societies are supposedly the one of the BEST societies of the world *roll eyes*

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i respect Hijab and Niqab both & i so wish that these were not reduced to the ‘veiled pleasure’ notion of a woman, whose very grace as a Musalimah is in adorning them
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hat's off to you...........Masha'allah!!!!!!!

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we, as conservative and/or moderate Muslims and Musalimahs, living in both Muslim or non Muslim countries, have to carefully approach this issue and make room for understanding for the non-Muslims, as to why Musalimahs (out of their choice), want to wear Hijab or Niqab
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well...it's truly said..."United we Stand & Divided we Fall ".......WE are all divided on this issue............we cannot do much until we all are united......& we stand up for wht we believe in.......specially in so-called free societies.............
almost everyone seems to condemn Saudi Arabia for being soo reserved.....& making it a rule for everyone to wear abaaya(not niqab or hijab)......& well saudi arabia doesn't even say about IT being a free country.....
& when so-called free countries do such rubbish......WHERE are all the ppl now.......WHY not speak up now too.......WHERE has the so-called freedom of choice gone now??????????


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i agree sara

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whatever the case is, a true muslim can't give up things so easily that pleases his/her Lord, Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala just because some moderate minded "humans" don't like it because it doesn't suite their style and doesn't confront their gorou(shatan) and neither it pleases their nafs.

the excuse that media is bringing that "oh there can be men in niqab" is a lame and stupied excuse. From the eyes of someoen you can recognize if that person is a man or woman and they way person walks etc.

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:hmmm:maybe this will be better off if shifted to GENERAL section of GS…

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I agree with u tooo

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Because people in west doesnot have any concept about life after death. Even some muslims dont know that we all will be born once again with our body.

We follow Allah's orders as we have the concept of Here after.

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People can wear what they want, as long as no one forces them to wear or not wear something like talibs.

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Mere Bhaiyo or Behno,

In my opinion choice of dress should be a personal matter and no country has the right to dictate who should wear what kind of dress. I think the difficulty in western world got pronounced not because of Burqa or Hijab or Niqab (I am sorry for the mix up) but because of the dress which covers complete face of a person. I have seen many muslim women in Europe wearing head scarfs but face is not covered. Believe me some of the designs are superb..no bad intentions here!!. That's perfectly fine. In any case you identify a person by looking at her face and if it is fully covered then it is difficult and probably that's the reason so much of hulla gulla is taking place in the western word. Just to avoid a terrorist taking advantage of the dress ?? I guess..

I must admit that many men in Asian countries (India Pakistan Bangladesh) have a bad habit of staring at others even if the intentions are clean. Is staring a reason for wearing such kind of dress ?

We stare at each other even when we meet outside these countries. God only knows how how this habit started.

Women in North India also cover their head either with sari palloo or a scarf. One can see this practice of wearing scarf throught the North Western belt.

In my opinion western countries should be tolerant towards a dress which covers the head and not face. Covering the head also gives many advantages like hair remain in good condition and some protection from elements is always there.

Hope good sense will prevail soon.

regards

DS Pathania

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why is it such a big issue in muslim countries?
why is hijab such a big issue in muslim countries?

lets not force women to take it off, and lets not force them to put it on.

agreed?

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agreed!

Dushwari, this isn't just an issue faced by muslim women in western societies. Even women in our society (that is those who wear niqabs) have a hard time finding a suitable job. I worked in an NGO and then I worked for a government organisation and despite a world of difference between the mindset, the policies, the agendas, in SOPs etc., at both the places; there seemed to be a uniform policy with regard to women who wore niqabs. It was simply not acceptable and so their applications were unsuccessful. Or lets just say that they were simply denied the opportunity to work due to their niqabs.

I have yet to make up my mind about this issue. On the one hand we talk of individual freedoms which are no doubt important but when it comes to a job that requires public relationing, marketing, teaching..that entails interaction across the board then it become a bit confusing for me.

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niqb is also not just a women's rights issue but also a men's rights.

I am a Touareg by choice, and society wont let me do niqab :(

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ok..so this just made me laugh:cb:…wht is the world coming to:hayaa:

care to explain wht tht word means plzz…:confused:

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sure,

here u go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg

The Tuareg are matrilineal, though not matriarchal. Unlike many Muslim societies, women do not traditionally wear the veil, whereas men do. The most famous Tuareg symbol is the Tagelmust, an often blue indigo coloured veil. The men’s facial covering originates from the belief that such action wards off evil spirits, but most probably relates to protection against the harsh desert sands as well; in any event, it is a firmly established tradition (as is the wearing of amulets containing verses from the Qur’an). Men begin wearing a veil when they reach maturity which usually conceals their entire face excluding their eyes and the top of the nose.

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hey hey ho ho, this niqab monopoly has got to go
hey hey ho ho this niqab monopoly has got to go

equal rights for niqabi men...join me my brothers
touaregs, ninjas, superheros, burgulars..

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

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So coming from a western culture and society, if I went to Pakistan and found it too hot...will everyone be soooo understanding if I wore a mini skirt and bikini top?
I don't think so!!!!
If someone goes to another country, we should all accept that countries social rules and not disrupt their way of life! The Burka is being questioned here, not the hijab! Muslim women are being allowed to wear the head scarf, but the burka is what doesn't fit in with the english way of life! We are civilised people and prefer to deal with people face to face! We're not used to it and shouldn't be forced to abide by that rule in our own country!!! In an Islamic country we won't argue it as it's their custom, just because we pride ourselves on being a multi-cultural country, we should be allowed to hold our British views here!
Everyone has to accept that Great Britain is a Christian country, if you don't want to live in this society than move to an Islamic one!!!
By behaving like this you are turning people against Islam, move to an Islamic country where you'd feel more at home and no one will tell you to take off your niqab!
A British Muslim!:Salute:

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:cb:..lol…so in other words…u mean to say..tht ppl who DO NOT deal face to face r uncivilized…:cb:…waisey…even right now the interaction here on GS is NOT face to face…it’s just words typed here n there..:aq:..isskey baary main kya khayaal hai aapka…r we all uncivilized…:aq:

well… tht is the case…soo…y call urselfs multi-cultural..if u r not gona allow other cultures to flourish…:aq:

:smilestar:..wht abt those who have been living there for ages…it’s not so ez for a person to just pack up everything & leave for GOOD…telling someone to just leave a place is stupidity…

masha’allah

:cb:..arey they can wear it if they want to…me wit you on this…BTW..thnx for telling me it is…

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nice discussion everyone. lots of inspiring perspectives.

as much as it is a personal matter for women who adorn hijab or niqab out of their own accord - the intention for adorning what they do, & its symbolic place in their hearts, the reasons for taking the pride to adopt it, all have to be taken into account, and others ideally should be respectful towards it.

in states or countries where, keeping faces uncovered, is made into a rule for the sake of civil/social intergration or for a self-conscious reason - 'to make others look like us, or they are not welcome', the mutual trust and respect for each other's logic will validate any practical behavior.

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and others ideally should be** respectful** towards it.
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exactly...instead of calling us uncivilized or backward...........