So funny that you guys make fun of the Shia people for Muttah but this is totally fine.
But this is great news, I did not know about this. thanks Reha for serving the purpose of your life.
Muttah has a predetermined fixed time period, Misyar does not have a condition for divorce at the outset. Also from what I read, in some scholars' opinion, in Misyar the woman can claim her full rights as a wife at any time during the marriage.
what if your sister or your mother, after your dad passes away, gets interested in this bang bang of convenience. just curious, how would you feel? what if they just joked about it in public, i suppose kind of like you are? just wondering.
a - What is it with the holier than thou attitude on this forum?
b - Joking on an online forum is hardly a public declaration of my intentions.
It's quite common in London for rich Arab guys flying in to do this with high-class hookers.. Of course it's technically invalid cos of the time limit thing which means really what they're doing is mutah.. unless they are actually Shia lol..
Nisha, mutah and misyar are defo allowed (when the conditions are met).. Just because some Muslims might not feel comfortable or agree with parts of our religion doesn't mean these things aren't allowed..
It's quite common in London for rich Arab guys flying in to do this with high-class hookers.
Hahaha! You really think they bother doing anything like that? I know a lot of 'rich Arab guys who fly over to London' and during their stay there sleep around and even use the services of escorts (As they like to be called). I can't think of a single person who has done that. And I'm talking people from seriously major families and what not.
P.S. I don't think Mutah and Misyar are definitely allowed. There's a lot of controversy within the different sects so definitely would be a seriously erroneous word.
Exactly, these rich arab guys don't go to such extraordinary lengths to legalise their activities. They probably haven't even heard of misyar. In their books everything is kosher as long as it's paid for.
Hahaha! You really think they bother doing anything like that? I know a lot of 'rich Arab guys who fly over to London' and during their stay there sleep around and even use the services of escorts (As they like to be called). I can't think of a single person who has done that. And I'm talking people from seriously major families and what not. P.S. I don't think Mutah and Misyar are definitely allowed. There's a lot of controversy within the different sects so definitely would be a seriously erroneous word.
Just because u don't know anyone who does it doesn't mean it never happens, does it??
And yes I do know thanks, my best mate is Lebanese and one of my other friends (English) is in club PR and going out with an Al-Saud.. Of course they do the 'normal' stuff with high class hookers (where did I say they didn't) but there are also parties going on where actual nikah contracts are signed.. If u doubt what I'm saying one of the most well-known goes on at The Dorchester on a certain week night if u want to check out for yourself.. Another thing that is done but with Muslim girls is the parents actually giving consent and getting the payment then their own daughters go off to sleep with these guys..
And PS misyar is allowed by all 4 Sunni schools of thought and therefore considered halal, if u want to start nit picking and talking about sects there are a million things they do that aren't allowed by Sunnis and vice versa.. it' would be like saying that 'hijab is obligatory' isn't correct just because Ismailis don't believe in it..
Just because u don't know anyone who does it doesn't mean it never happens, does it??
And yes I do know thanks, my best mate is Lebanese and one of my other friends (English) is in club PR and going out with an Al-Saud.. Of course they do the 'normal' stuff with high class hookers (where did I say they didn't) but there are also parties going on where actual nikah contracts are signed.. If u doubt what I'm saying one of the most well-known goes on at The Dorchester on a certain week night if u want to check out for yourself.. Another thing that is done but with Muslim girls is the parents actually giving consent and getting the payment then their own daughters go off to sleep with these guys..
Err I'm not going to name families here but since you mentioned Al Saud, I know a few too (And several other prominent Khaleejis) and they sleep around without any contracts and what not. Hell I've been invited over a couple of times myself. Your friend probably knows about the 1 guy out of 100 who is God fearing ;) And the whole parents taking money for their daughters to sleep around and all its old news. Happens all over. Again for people who are reading this, I'm never going to judge my friends on what they do so to me this is all their business. They can do whatever the hell they want.
EDIT: About the legality of Misyar in such circumstances, it would be invalid. So I wouldn't be bold enough to call it 'most definitely' allowed. There have been numerous posts in this thread detailing the finer points of Misyar so go through it :) If you conduct Misyar for the purpose of breaking it, then it is null and void. A marriage of convenience does not mean a marriage for a temporary licence to shag our brains out. There's a huge difference.
Any marriage contract whether Mutah or Misyar done with the clear intention of breaking in near future / for a certain period of time / to gain a specific benefit ( Such as Kids /wealth or Nationality and once achieved , going to nullify it ) is as plain as a mockery of the sunnah we call Nikkah ....
Err I'm not going to name families here but since you mentioned Al Saud, I know a few too (And several other prominent Khaleejis) and they sleep around without any contracts and what not. Hell I've been invited over a couple of times myself. Your friend probably knows about the 1 guy out of 100 who is God fearing And the whole parents taking money for their daughters to sleep around and all its old news. Happens all over. Again for people who are reading this, I'm never going to judge my friends on what they do so to me this is all their business. They can do whatever the hell they want.
Of course they sleep around without contracts, the vast majority do.. Doesn't mean it always happens that way tho.. I agree misyar with an 'end date' from the start is not valid but I did say to Nisha 'misyar when done correctly'..
Muttah has a predetermined fixed time period, Misyar does not have a condition for divorce at the outset. Also from what I read, in some scholars' opinion, in Misyar the woman can claim her full rights as a wife at any time during the marriage.
a - What is it with the holier than thou attitude on this forum?
b - Joking on an online forum is hardly a public declaration of my intentions.
why so mad? i was joking too, about requesting misyar with your female relatives, including your mother.
Any marriage contract whether Mutah or Misyar done with the clear intention of breaking in near future / for a certain period of time / to gain a specific benefit ( Such as Kids /wealth or Nationality and once achieved , going to nullify it ) is as plain as a mockery of the sunnah we call Nikkah ....
I actually know a couple who lives like this. They were dating (I know its not islamic, but I'm not one to judge) for a few years, and then they got married. They lived together for one year, and realized that their relationship wasnt working out that way. Now they live separately, but are still married, and still do everything that a married couple does, they just dont live together. So in essence, they are "halal dating". It works for them...
I actually know a couple who lives like this. They were dating (I know its not islamic, but I'm not one to judge) for a few years, and then they got married. They lived together for one year, and realized that their relationship wasnt working out that way. Now they live separately, but are still married, and still do everything that a married couple does, they just dont live together. So in essence, they are "halal dating". It works for them...
That would make it possible to get to the target of 4
Any marriage contract whether Mutah or Misyar done with the clear intention of breaking in near future / for a certain period of time / to gain a specific benefit ( Such as Kids /wealth or Nationality and once achieved , going to nullify it ) is as plain as a mockery of the sunnah we call Nikkah ....
I understand Naabigh, but Im wondering if this is really wrong. And if there is a reason why any of this is "legal" in the first place?
