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The elected officals of the Pals have vowed to destroy Israel, you think they would give any warning at all, please!
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youve got the warning in your own sentence!
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I feel bad for palestinian people however I think it is time that they realized that they are the by product of a failed attempt to materialize Pan-arabism by its neighboring Arab states. Their existence did not come into play to destroy Israel but they were mere pawns in the bigger picture of Pan-arabism. They need to figure out there political background and accept their reality with some sense. Now there leaders are just using Pan-Islamism to fan the flames of an already extinguished fire left from Pan-Arabism.
The sooner they realize they have the short end of the straw the better for them, sometimes you can't get everything especially when your manifest posts it on the wall that we want it at the expense of others. With Israel so technologically advanced, they would have been better off making friends than enemies with them. On humanitarian and brotherhood grounds my heart goes out to them however on political prowess I have not seen more stupid people than them.
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you should've replied to Seminole when he sought a similar 'warning' from suicide bombers...
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The sooner they realize they have the short end of the straw the better for them, sometimes you can't get everything especially when your manifest posts it on the wall that we want it at the expense of others. With Israel so technologically advanced, they would have been better off making friends than enemies with them. On humanitarian and brotherhood grounds my heart goes out to them however on political prowess I have not seen more stupid people than them.
what realistic solution do you think the palestine people should have aimed for?
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Because the Palestinians have not stuck to one agreement.
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if u just plz remember that isreal have broken all the int agreements then u have to remodel ur thoughts
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After the mess they have created for themselves the beacon for a solution is very bleak. They do not have more than a beggars share, Sorry to put it that way. When you are weak you make peace by entering treaties until you are strong again. Its not very complicated. Of course your weakness will still be exploited however at least not balantantly destroyed.
Let me put it as a very small example. You X have a friend Y, who is always picking fights on the street. You X are strong and everytime manage bail Y out of the mess or fight along with him. You also explain to Y that what he does is not feasible and he should stop it. Y doesn't understand and continues with hisi reckless pattern. Everytime you bail out Y until you get to the point where Y has made so many enemies on the street that they are now willing to form a united front against Y. You as X may be strong but not strong enough to defend Y as this united front of enemies. Now you have a decision to make here. Either you go down with Y or tell Y that he brought this on himself and you cannot risk all you have because of his actions. The latter action is what most surrounding neighbor Arab countries have done to Palestinians and now they are left all alone. What is different that they didn't start this fight but they certainly are carrying on with it. Now for Y either he gets decimated without backing out or strikes a deal not to pick fights again. Either way he can't escape the beating he is about to recieve. Now for someone smart, he will realize after getting beat up from head to toe not to pick a fight again until you have some leverage or genuine muscle for vengeance, but unfortunately the Palestinian political leaders lack that finesse. Completing this scenario is not very diffcult given the actions of Palestinians now. They are weak and they need to realize that. Live today to fight tomorrow. If you can't beat them win them over. However their Arab rascist supremacy gets in the way for doing that. Islam historically has turned its worst enemies into its best friends, sadly today we have no inclination to do that. Allah SWT helps those who help themselves.
Now I know I'll get to hear you are not there and you are not enduring what they are going through. But however if they are willing to endure more and more punishment then is there really anyone who can help them?
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Let me put it as a very small example. You X have a friend Y, who is always picking fights on the street. You X are strong and everytime manage bail Y out of the mess or fight along with him. You also explain to Y that what he does is not feasible and he should stop it. Y doesn't understand and continues with hisi reckless pattern. Everytime you bail out Y until you get to the point where Y has made so many enemies on the street that they are now willing to form a united front against Y. You as X may be strong but not strong enough to defend Y as this united front of enemies. Now you have a decision to make here. Either you go down with Y or tell Y that he brought this on himself and you cannot risk all you have because of his actions. The latter action is what most surrounding neighbor Arab countries have done to Palestinians and now they are left all alone. What is different that they didn't start this fight but they certainly are carrying on with it. Now for Y either he gets decimated without backing out or strikes a deal not to pick fights again. Either way he can't escape the beating he is about to recieve. Now for someone smart, he will realize after getting beat up from head to toe not to pick a fight again until you have some leverage or genuine muscle for vengeance, but unfortunately the Palestinian political leaders lack that finesse. Completing this scenario is not very diffcult given the actions of Palestinians now. They are weak and they need to realize that. Live today to fight tomorrow. If you can't beat them win them over. However their Arab rascist supremacy gets in the way for doing that. Islam historically has turned its worst enemies into its best friends, sadly today we have no inclination to do that. Allah SWT helps those who help themselves.
Now I know I'll get to hear you are not there and you are not enduring what they are going through. But however if they are willing to endure more and more punishment then is there really anyone who can help them?
although not my oppinion you have some valid points in todays reality. but the israellis have in the past blocked all palestinian efforts, this indeed is one of the points which rile muslims about israel.
its important different ways forward are discussed among people who believe in the re-creation of palestine. and yes i will mention of the dailly trauma muslims are suffering in the holy land, that creates the anger. its important for muslims to know whats going on and be monitoring the situation. the palestinian people are involved in two current struggles, first being dailly survival struggle and dailly threat of humiliation, secondly the age old land dispute.
i support the right of the palestine people to fightback, i support development of weapons to counter the israelli threat, i support the efforts of iran, saudi in their respective roles in the region. palestinians are currently powerless, but only one or two countries support away from making israel the unwanted friend of the west. the issue is there, weve already pledged our support for the palestine people and state. iran is the first now in actively demanding peace. lets do the neccesary and fry this fish.
fight or flight
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every quest has a means and a goal, the purely diplomatic way to the palestine goal is well and truely blocked.
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See, this is what I mean. Palestinian leaders do not understand how global politics works. Israel manages to gey away with a lot more than it should because Palestinians do not have an official state status. International law does not apply to them. First and foremost they need to achieve state status no matter what they are getting. They should have banked on Gaza and West bank when they had the chance however it is lost. Once they have a internationally recognizaed state, things will change and Israel cannot control their movements anywhere it wants to except around borders. I know all this is easier said trhan done however if they whole heartedly persevered and worked towards this goal, it would benefit them. They are giving sacrifices anyway, however they are not getting any benefit for the sacrifices they are giving. They need to learn how to turn their human losses into political victories if they want to achieve a Palestinian state.
fight or flight
I support their right to fight back as well. However you choose the weapon that you are good with and clearly they have no military advantage in this conflict.
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although not my oppinion you have some valid points in todays reality. but the israellis have in the past blocked all palestinian efforts, this indeed is one of the points which rile muslims about israel.
its important different ways forward are discussed among people who believe in the re-creation of palestine. and yes i will mention of the dailly trauma muslims are suffering in the holy land, that creates the anger. its important for muslims to know whats going on and be monitoring the situation. the palestinian people are involved in two current struggles, first being dailly survival struggle and dailly threat of humiliation, secondly the age old land dispute.
i support the right of the palestine people to fightback, i support development of weapons to counter the israelli threat, i support the efforts of iran, saudi in their respective roles in the region. palestinians are currently powerless, but only one or two countries support away from making israel the unwanted friend of the west. the issue is there, weve already pledged our support for the palestine people and state. iran is the first now in actively demanding peace. lets do the neccesary and fry this fish.
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i do also believe in that words ..
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I support their right to fight back as well. However you choose the weapon that you are good with and clearly they have no military advantage in this conflict.
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USResident believe me israel have left no choice for palestinian except taking their rights by power ...
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the one thing muslim countries can start doing today is become politically involved in palestine especially gaza. i urge egypt to re-enter the fray, to keep check on acts commited by israel in gaza and to report back to the oic. i urge oic to be central to the peace and defence of palestine. the sharing of weapons technology and systems is imperative among oic members. this fight is one that should be fought by other countries and not by palestinian civillians. the asking of proof of israelli efforts to maintain peace and resolve disputes is missing at the moment. this should be done by foreign secretaries via the media.
once an 'acceptable' peaceplan for the land issue is firmly in place we can think about cutting down on palestinian attacks on israel and building for a peaceful future.
the military advantage of israel must be cut in all circumstances or muslim should continue to trampled on by military and diplomatic boots.
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the military advantage of israel must be cut in all circumstances or muslim should continue to trampled on by military and diplomatic boots.
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iam totally with u at that point ..
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Let me put it as a very small example. You X have a friend Y, who is always picking fights on the street. You X are strong and everytime manage bail Y out of the mess or fight along with him. You also explain to Y that what he does is not feasible and he should stop it. Y doesn't understand and continues with hisi reckless pattern. Everytime you bail out Y until you get to the point where Y has made so many enemies on the street that they are now willing to form a united front against Y. You as X may be strong but not strong enough to defend Y as this united front of enemies. Now you have a decision to make here. Either you go down with Y or tell Y that he brought this on himself and you cannot risk all you have because of his actions. The latter action is what most surrounding neighbor Arab countries have done to Palestinians and now they are left all alone. What is different that they didn't start this fight but they certainly are carrying on with it. Now for Y either he gets decimated without backing out or strikes a deal not to pick fights again. Either way he can't escape the beating he is about to recieve. Now for someone smart, he will realize after getting beat up from head to toe not to pick a fight again until you have some leverage or genuine muscle for vengeance, but unfortunately the Palestinian political leaders lack that finesse. Completing this scenario is not very diffcult given the actions of Palestinians now. They are weak and they need to realize that. Live today to fight tomorrow. If you can't beat them win them over. However their Arab rascist supremacy gets in the way for doing that. Islam historically has turned its worst enemies into its best friends, sadly today we have no inclination to do that. Allah SWT helps those who help themselves.
Now I know I'll get to hear you are not there and you are not enduring what they are going through. But however if they are willing to endure more and more punishment then is there really anyone who can help them?
The US has been defeated in Iraq and is busy trying to find a face saving way to get out, and Isreal has been defeated by Hizbullah. Israel is not even capable of attacking Syria. The time is not on the side of the Zionists..they are destined for defeat..its only a question of timing.
They thought that they could destroy the will of the arabs and get peace on their terms but they are realising that will not be possible. They can only get peace on the terms of the Palestinians.
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The U.S. was defeated in Iraq? Tell me then, who won?
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Yes the U.S has suffered a STRATEGIC defeat in Iraq.
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One should not underestimate the Empire, but undoubtedly the Empire is in a decline.
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No choice? That's the only choice they have ever made! From the get-go it was either war declared by their Arab champions, terrorist attacks and of course the most miserable failure - the intifadas.
There were plenty of chances for peaceful solutions and the Palestinians never pursued any.
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^ America was attacked once and how did they respond, here a whole nation is brutalised and you can't even see any fault in the Israelis. Tell you what if they had not launched the intifada and had not kept up their struggle against the brutal occupation they would not have got Gaza or any other land back. Now please don't post more lies about how Israel wanted to give land back in order to promote peace. peace and Israel are two opposite things but one day when big daddy will not be supporting them they will fall in line, after all everyone saw their bravery in Lebanon and that was with the most modern equipment. Truth always prevails and will prevail in this case as well despite the terrorism from israel.
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No one said Israel is w/o faults, but this sob story that the Palestinians have been innocent bystanders/victims this whole time is a lie. They have never pursured a path of peace and are at leat 1/2 responsible for the position they are in now. Palestinians and peace have been oxymoronic terms for the past 6 decades.
I agree that truth always prevails but many times it stares one in the face and they can't recognize it/admit it.
It is funny how what happened in Lebanon now gives Israel-haters chest-thumping machismo as if there is not 60+ years of Israeli domination evrey time she is attacked or provoked.
Again, Israel is no angel is all this, but Palestinians have also been far from angelic.