New Indian extremist group "thirsty for Pakistani blood.."

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Im not teaching you anything... Your on a Pakistani forum, and this is a discussion about the whole Mumbai incidence and the reaction of Indians to it.
If you want to critisize the Pakistani backyard, then by all means, feel free, thats what we are here for.
However, I try to limit my criticism of India to those topics that impact to Pakistan, such as the Mumbai issue.
Im only pointing out the inconsistancies on the Indian side. If you find fault with what im saying then challenge me by all means.

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Funny getting lessons on ignoring genocide from a Pakistani ..... perhaps you forgot to read the history in the eatern part ..... but I am not going to discuss that here nor am i going to defend Gujrat here ...... it is not the topic of discussion.

What is under discussion is Mumbai attack and response from Pakistan ... there have been these incidents ..... like the "terrorist" caught in Lahore - Satish Ananad Shukla and now this terrorist group that has supposidly threatned the High Comissioner .... this is really childish and it seems someone in the Pakistani establishment thinks by using these tactics they can get the attention away from Mumbai.

The fact remains that Pakistan has to act against these elements within Pakistan ..... not only for India's but also for it's own sake .....

Rest we can continue arguing about what is bad in India or Pakistan ...... we can continue till eternity we have enough "material"

Timepass - November 2012
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Re: New Indian extremist group “thirsty for Pakistani blood..”

very well said :k:

so when is zardari , and also altaf bhai going to india? :hmmm:

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OK...you first give us proof that there was any such threatening letter....quote any Govt official of your country....anything relevant....not just gossips.

**New Indian extremist group "thirsty for Pakistani blood.." **

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I have the article, and I have the past examples of how your hindu extremists think.
If you think your Hindu extremist groups are incapable of such threats, then that your business.

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LOL.. I was waiting for one of you to bring up the Bagladesh isuue... Thats the usual Indian reaction to any accusations

Simple point... Bangladesh was a civil war, and there were killings on both sides. Also, the history that your refer to is the history written by the victor, in this case the Bengalis and the Indians, and so much of the rality of what happned is prone to Indian propganda. Im certain that 3 million people did not die as you claim. None the less, Pakistan paid for its mistakes in its east wing. We lost half the country.
And thats it, outside of Bangladesh, you really have nothing.
Unlike you, we recognize the crimes of the nation. We dont ask for any false entitlements.

Now on to India..
You Indians have killed THOUSANDS of your own people. Its almost per schedule. The most recent being the Sikh riots, the Babri Mosque riots and the Gujrat riots...
And ofcourse, the ongoing Indian occupation of Kashmir that has killed countless thousands, all so you can continue your wancker swinging contest in South Asia.

The reaction from Pakistan was what it should be... Its the reaction from India thats in question. Instead of blaming it on terrorists, Indians have decided to blame it all on Pakistan.

The point which you conveniently miss is that you expect Pakistanis to understand this over reaction, as though your entitled to throwing this tantrum.
Im just pointing out how haypocritical this whole thing is.

As far as the Shukla incident, Pakistan reacted just the way it should.
Indians were threatening war, there were small bomb explosions in Lahore, and so the police took action.
And if you think your country hasnt sent any spies into Pakistan, then your delusional.
As for the incident with the extremist group threatening the ambassador, well, you know as well as I do what your extremist Hindu groups are capable of, they have done worse.

This was all the expected reaction of a smaller country responding to threats from a larger one. You seem to be blissfully naive about your own country. You Indians have had so many people filling your heads with compliments, biggest democracy, booming economy, soon to be super power etc etc, that you no longer have the capacity to see the darker side to your society... You simply assume everything is just wonderful and nothing wrong can be done by your country or your people.
So this is just a reality check... Welcome to the real world.

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Med for all you ranting ..... no group or individual from India has gone and done the sot of things that groups like Lashkar have done in India .... so instead of giving lecture on how to behave with local populance you should be asking your government why is it that people from Pakistan are linked to acts of violence outside Pakistan!!!

As for the riots in India .... i can flood the pages of GS with news of sectarian murders and killings inside Pakistan ..... but then that would be digressing from the topic .:)

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As per your article The Pakistan Govt has witten to the Indian counterpart re the threat......show me any official confirmation of this infiormation! Or.........

Timepass - November 2012
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Good point :k:

All the BS aside, this is a hard fact that cannot be ignored.

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Oh please, I haven't engaged in any violence outside of Pakistan. And I own guns!

Timepass - November 2012
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Re: New Indian extremist group "thirsty for Pakistani blood.."

^ Read again. AB's post did not say all people from Pakistan are linked to violence outside ;)

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Rants are only for people who dont know what they are talking about, so I expect you to start any second.

The reason is that Pakistanis havent done anything to India to merit Indians coming over to Pakistan to kill people.
Although, as the Samjohta express attack demonstrates, they are just as capable.
The reason why India is confronted with groups like the Lashkar is because India has been in illegal occupation of Kashmir, where they have engaged in gross Human rights violations.
A country like India, can expect such things.

As for sectarian killing, those are commited by sick minded individuals or small groups...

The big difference is that Indian riots are commited by LARGE number of its own people, with the acticve participation by segments of the ruling class.

And last I checked, I have never seen a known sectarian terrorists elected to office unlike in India.

The end point here, is that you DONT get the point.
Pakistan recognizes the issues that confront it, but Pakistan doesnt ask for any special treatment.
India some how refuses to acknowledge the evils of their society and still have the audacity to claim some kind of moral high ground.

Despite you ranting, you simply dont get the point.

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Well, I suppse you could talk about British terrorists, but that has more to do with the fact Islam is a trans national religion, and so things that effect one Muslim nation, tend to have an effect on Muslims in other places.

As for why Pakistanis have been involved in Kashmir or India… Simply because Pakistanis have an emotional connection to the Kashmir, where India has commited human rights violations and continues to occupy ilegally.
Why is that so hard to comprehend? You occupy an entire region with Millions of people, and then you wonder when your attacked. Wake up, your as oblivious as your govt.

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Well if the attacks in past few years are any indications, then Indians groups have all the reason to conduct such acts in Pakistan .... but that won't happen cause such thing are not "encouraged" in India. It is no secret that groups like Lashkar evolved with active participation of Pakistani establishment. And now that this genie has come out on its own ... they cannot put it back into the bottle.

Let me ask this questions .... all these Lashkar type groups want to "save" the Kashmiri's .... why are they not saving the "Muslims" in Pakistan who are being killed by "Indian sponsored" Tehreek a Taliban !!!! Guess you don't get virgins for fighting against fellow muslim !!!!!!!!!

This Kashmir business is just hogwash and i can continue on this in another thread as that would be deviating from the topic. For now i will just say ..... last week there was a protest in Srinagar ..... 1+1=11 people from Hurriyat were "demonstrating" human rights violations!!!!!

Regarding sectarian terrorists being elected ..... LOL ..... look back at some of the threads on GS you will get the answer on the "terrorists" elected in Pakistan .... don't have to waste my time there.

Today Pakistan is figthing for "survival" against groups which have simiar agenda as Lashkar or taliban ....... but then maybe you WANT the talibanisation of Pakistan .... where women have to stay at home, you are defined by your beard and the length of your salwar could be the difference between life and death ...... no wonder you don't get it !!!

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Re: New Indian extremist group "thirsty for Pakistani blood.."

I am still waiting for a relevant reply....is there any official confirmation of the complain lodged by the Pak State to the Indian counterpart???....any official, minister' name will be enough.

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Absolutely none... Ofcourse! No Hindu extremists have ever attacked or threatened anyone! :)
Thank god your bubble is intact...

Personally I stick by the article, because I dont share your confidence in the moral ethics of Hindu extremists, and I trust that Pakistani diplomat would be above such petty things.
You dont want to believe it thats your bussines, the article says otherwise, and so does exprience.

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Actually almost every week you hear about arrests of "RAW" agents in Pakistan .... but after the "headlines" news ... nothing comes out .... guess they turn out to be some small time Pakistani crooks !!!!!

There was a list of 35 people that Pakistan was supposed to have given to India .... what happened to that :D

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What attacks in the past few Years? If anything its the Indians that have their dirty laundry to hide... Are you talking about the attacks in Kashmir?

First of all, the Kashmir is far less violent in the past couple of years.
Secondly, any attack that did take place was related to the Kashmir issue, which India continues to hold on to despite the so called attacks.

What other attacks are you talking about? Besides the attrocities commited on their own people, Indians also commited such acts as the Samjhota express bombing which left 68 people, mostly Pakistani civilians dead.

As for not encouraging attacks.. Give me a break. Pakistan did not encourage anyone to attack India... Thats the same nonsense you Indians constantly spew.
The fact is that Pakistan has been rolling back its spnsorship of extremist groups. The level of violence in Kashmir would attest to that.
Besides this, the Pakistan govt has been fighting terrorists in Multiple fronts, and has lost many soldiers in this fight.
Even with the Lashkar the govt has acted against them... So why the BS from the Indian side?
As for encouraging Hindu extremists, many of your Hindu extremists dont need encouragement.

You seem to labor under the delusion that I supprt the Lashkar... Your emotions are cofusing you.
I dont support the Lashkar or the terrorists.. Im saying that India should expect such things. For a country like India, this shouldnt come as a great shock.
Im responding to the hypocritical and hawkish response of the Indians.

And Kashmir is only Hogwash to an Indian until it comes back to bite them in rear. Whether you like it or not, as Milliband and even the Obama administration pointed out, the core issue that causes all this is Kashmir. The sooner you figure that out the better.
The thousands that protested a few months ago should make it abundantly clear as to the real occupier in Kashmir...
A simple glance at Indias human rights record is enough here.

As for the election of terrorists in Pakistan, I dont know of any elected official who over saw the slaughter of over two thousand men women and children, do you?

And trust me I get it.. You simply dont have the capacity to understand my point.
I wish Indians would shut up and allow PAKISTAN to focus its attention where it needs to..
This barking the Indians do is not only a waste of time, its dangerous.
Try to read between the lines once again. If you dont understand the point, then stop wasting my time with your long winded replies.

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Well, you Indians must really like Pakistani chapli kababs or somthing to acidentally find yourselves on our side of the border every other week... :)

The list of 35 I suppose was a way to shut up the Indians over the list of terrorists Indians wanted...
Havent heard Indians asking for that since:D

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Kashmir has been less violent because the groups in Pakistan have been put on a tight leash ...... goes to say a lot on why the violence erupted in the first place!!!!!!!!

Coming back to groups like Lashkar, if Pakistan HAD acted against these groups genuinely, we would have not been in the position we are today. Pakistan and India had been on track to solve all issues but this "terrorist" act has put a stop to that ....

And it is not for the first time this has happened. Last time "Lahore declaration" was signed and there was hope for a peacefull resolution of all issues .... you know who went ahead with the "Kargil fiasco" ..... so it was back to the square one. Then again the general HAD to come back to the talks ..... and we seem to be going round and round in circles.

The biggest losers in case India Pakistan resolve their differences are those groups within Pakistan who survive on the India Pak conflict .....

Time for you taking your own advice on long posts:biggthumb