Re: New gas reserves discovered in Balochistan
Your an idiot if you think a port will not provide any benefits to the local, especially if its a major port. The area around the port will grow and develop probably the fastest, once the port is fully operational (which doesn't happen overnight).
People seem to be forgetting the billions of dollars worth of investments going (or planned) into Gwadar.
Re: New gas reserves discovered in Balochistan
Bugti was getting Rs670 million a year from the gas companies. How much of that did he spend to build schools, hospitals, technical institutes and universities for his Balochi people? All the facilities and institutions that have been set up in Balochistan have been set up by the federal government and the elected provnicial setup.
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Maybe that is the problem. Why is the federal government coming in and taking all the revenues and handing some of out to the sardars (Jalami, Bugti, Marri, Mazari etc.) who as you say aren’t helping the people. The revenue should simply be retained by the provincial government and distributed to local districts. There is much more potential for better use of the money at the local government level then at national level. Its the responsiblity of the govenrment to provide basic services, not Sardar so and so.
And the benefit to locals from the port will far less then to the outsiders who are buying up property and will be managing the port facilities.
Re: New gas reserves discovered in Balochistan
Yeah discovered for Amreecans.
Wait they are coming to have control on....
Re: New gas reserves discovered in Balochistan
And the benefit to locals from the port will far less then to the outsiders who are buying up property and will be managing the port facilities.
And, who are they buying the property from, if not locals? Much of the areas where the big developments are planned, are or were owned by the locals. So, how can you say that the locals didn't recieve any benefit?
Like I said, everything doesn't happen over night. i.e. educational institutions will be setup once the city starts to grow. Few years later, when the local citizens are educated, they will replace the outsiders. Same method applies to the other sectors.
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The Gawadaris are poor people and any money for them for land would seem good. But the real money will be made by the real estate tycoons when prices shoot up.
And nothing happens overnight, but in Balochistan even after 60 years, nothing has really happened. The same arguments were being made when the gas fields were being developed, but look how much that helped the masses?
Trusting the government to do anything right is a lot to ask for from any Pakistani, but especially from those who are already a marginalized minority.
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And the benefit to locals from the port will far less then to the outsiders who are buying up property and will be managing the port facilities.
There is a very valid point.
However, you must realise that there are large and influential elements in the Baluch society that do not want the common Baluch to prosper because that is the only way their Sardari system shines. To me if these Sardars, who claim to be so patriotic to their Baluch nation, were really that patriotic then the state of Baluchistan would have been the best in Pakistan. Just think about it, if a Sardar directs his clan that all the children in his clan need to get educated, not a single one of his clan member will dare not to obey.
Despite the blabbering from Pathans that Baluchi Pathans and the Pakhtoon Pathans are the same, there is a big difference in thinking between the two. A lot of my Pathan friends in our University were from the undeveloped areas of my province and their parents had put in a lot of effort to get them educated. They realise the importance of getting their new generations educated and the new generation recongnises that as well. However, in the Baluch Pathans this realization is missing. Even those who get to the university level don't have the right thinking about the importance of education.
My experience and observation may be limited but it still reflects a part of a society.
Re: New gas reserves discovered in Balochistan
I am in no way pro sardar, chaudry, or wadera. I hate the feudal system with a passion, but the army brings its own feudal system with it. And yes, baloch sardars share the blame, but it is the government’s responsibility to provide a fair and democratic alternative. Just killing off Bugti and passing down orders on development schemes is not going to help the animosity and mistrust against Pakistan in Balochistan.
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However, keeping in mind the effort you have made to keep your numbers unbiased, I was a bit disappointed to see your remarks about Mari Gas. I have the pleasure of working with Mari Gas and found it to have an absolutely world class management and technical team. It is the best run Oil company in Pakistan. The chairperson may be an army man but all the team running the show has nothing to do with army.
Regarding your comment about NLC is also not found in reason. When you talk about laying a pipe-line to Karachi, you have to look at the economical feasibility. You have to decide what will be cheaper for you in the long run.
MOL has had a major success in the North of Pakistan and is already a major player in the O&G scene of Pakistan.
who owns Mari gas and why they should own it.
how many locals are there in lower mid level mgt and even labour in mari gas.
why pipe lineis fromkarachi to badin is not feasible its just aroun 100+ kilometer pipeline and badin has major oil facility there doesnt need to be big either.
another news: between 7000-12000 acres of land in karachi sold to arab construction company by federal government without even informing provincial govt and provincial govt learnt it through newspaper.
was it possible that federal govt would have done that if province was punjab.
i am not discussing the advantages of the projects here but how in manner it was done.
this is not a way fedration or a country is run..i must say biggest threat to this country is khakki junta.
for all 50 years they had done what theyy think is best for without asking anyone....
just go through musharrafs and AYub khan books circumtances may be different but issues almost are the same.
although havent read much yet.
Re: New gas reserves discovered in Balochistan
Mari gas is in sindh...
Mari is pronounced as Maari.
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Thank you, but I know how its pronounced. What I did not realize that is was in Sinsh, since the Marri's are originally a Baloch tribe.
So, to hcnage the queston, how many local Sindhis work their?