What does this statement even mean? Clearly, the Indian Minister is hinting at proxy war through terrorists. What a pathetically politically incorrect statement yet how true does that sound.
Sadly we have bunch of shameless buffoons in our country (correction: most of the arm chair critics don’t even live in Pakistan!!) who get so offended, defensive and apologetic when RAW is mentioned that they rather dismiss, disrespect and in most cases utterly demonise their own army, their own country, and their own people just to defend and downplay the enemy. Who do they bloody think they are fooling with their ignorant hippie BS. India and Pakistan are one of the most hostile pair of enemies in the whole world. They are unfortunately neighbours with a long long history pissing each other off but somehow there is an assumption that they won’t ever think about playing any dirty proxy wars to cancel each other out or settle any old scores. Awww. Mera Bharat Mahaaan. Long live Bollywood and Veer Zara fluff.
You can have a big old moan about how Pakistan played with fire, created and sustained Frankenstein to use against enemies, but somehow India a country with such grand ambition of becoming a regional and global power would never ever dare go against it’s supreme enemy. Never. What do the Pakistan army haters know anything about geopolitics. The European powers signed many pacts and treaties with each other pledge how they would never to go to war against each other yet all powers engaged in some of the dirtiest proxy wars in whole of Africa to Middle East. But somehow world’s most notorious enemies would never do anything to harm one another. #LeaveRAWAlone](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=LeaveRAWAlone) #SodOffPakistanArmy](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=SodOffPakistanArmy) .
It’s a FACT India and Pakistan cannot engage in conventional warfare. Both countries would wipe each other off the world map in less than 12 hours. But the only way they can still cause massive damages to each other is through creating and sustaining proxy fighters. They have no other choice.
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Before anyone comes here with the typical sheet that ‘go after RAW’. How exactly do you go after RAW - drop bombs on India? Of course, your dodos, Pakistan should go after anyone and everyone associated with the enemy. Whether it means machine gunning the Mullahs who receives their funding, training and intelligence through RAW (remember the way ISI’s ‘helped’ for Afghan Mujahideen?) or it means capturing the actual RAW agents from Karachi or FATA. They have no choice but to go after the frontline as well as the backstage enemies.
It’s disgusting how hypocrites all those years kept moaning how top brass of military and civilian leadership never touched upon the issue of India funding terror in Pakistan, and how it would legitimise and validate the assumptions. Yet when it finally starts happening, they backtrack from their statements, continue with their same old whining that everyone is lying. Pakistan Army is the enemy whose only purpose is to launch conspiracies to defame RAW. When you twits like this in the country who rather defend and apologise for enemy then put any trust in their own army or just listen to what they are saying, it really just makes me support Pakistani army even more, and wish and pray for their success.
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Indians are intelligent in the sense that they are using Pakistani (ttp and Baloch separatists) in training camps (based in Afghanistan), hence there shouldn’t be that much blow back for them. The tactics and people Pakistan would use to neutralise India has a direct impact on us (unfortunately). More feasible for Pakistan would be to support Mao insurgencies there, instead of relying on ttp kind of fundos.
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Pakistan in regards to Mujaheedeen did nothing what the likes of Western Imperial powers have not done in the past or what they aren’t currently doing. All countries engage with proxies in far away places to gain influence and undermine their rivals. The grave mistake Pakistan made was that they conducted the experiment so close to home. In fact, they used their own home turf as a laboratory to create monstrous entities, whereas with Brits and other European powers, they would create proxy groups, if it’d work, it’d work great, but when the self made monsters would turn back to harm them - they’d simply pack their bags and come back home where no one would dare reach them. Their countries or people simply won’t face any consequences of their wrongdoings. The classic example of India Partition, they followed the policy of divide and rule and when all those groups came together to get rid of them - they simply said 'Ooops …time to say goodbye. Pakistan couldn’t do that with the whole Kashmir and Afghan situation whereas India has seemed to learn a lesson.
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but why to get infight with india. Do we need to fight with them ? what we want to get out of it ? Do we wnat to conquer Delhi ??
Honestly , who is the agressor in past fights except 65 .
PPl dont go against army if army is fighting with india only. Is indian army or RAW is involved in defaming / degrading politicians ( Indian politicians are not angels ) and destroying political govts. Chalo they have got the govt. atleast get benefit of this chance and put correct policies and bring country at the right path. But they dont want a political govt to stay for long.
Even when they dont take over , it is because they feel it is not the right time and will have financial crises they take over. Just wait once we are in a better shape financially or we have some geopolitically strong point to cash with usa and u will see another soorma of our great army , toppling the political govt.
BTW i still didnt got response about how our army officers maintain their luxurios life style with a normal salary compare to normal standard.
it is the jawan of our army who are engaged in giving their lives for the country during war or during flood or any other incident. KAASH we have professional army leaders who focus only on the developing forces and use ISI not against own ppl rather against indian RAW or the TTP monsters in pakistan only
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You know what’s the difference between military leader and corrupt politician or a judge or any other civilian? A military leader will make many grave mistakes, but when he’ll see that his institution is bearing the brunt, he’ll back off for sake of his institution’s pride and integrity. Musharraf had to step down to at the end to protect military’s honour when due to his personal blunders, the entire institution was getting demonised . Kiyani did not bring the coup because it would have harmed Pakistan military’s struggling image further. Gen Raheel resisted all the pressure and straight up requests to bring coup because that would have harmed the newly restored sanctity of Pakistan army. So they are passionately and eternally loyal to their institution because they know it represents the state. So my question is, why can’t the civilians show the same level of loyalty, respect and commitment to the state institutions they serve? Why can’t judges also use this approach to serve/re-build/fix judiciary? Where is their loyalty to Why is that the military leaders will always go back and work towards improving their institution’s image and performance whereas you have politician and civilians who shamelessly and tirelessly destroy the integrity and image of the institution they are supposed to work for. This is precisely the reason why military enjoys such a widespread public support and respect in Pakistan because the average Pakistani knows that military personal - despite all his shortcoming and imperfections - will never ever allow his institution to hit rock bottom! He’ll always go back to protecting its pride and integrity. Gen. Raheel Sharif would be a befitting example to evidence this point.
But let’s allow ourselves to wrapped in typical anti Army propaganda, outrage, prejudice and bigotry and just count days till next imaginary military take up and make up random logic when all usual myths have been defied in last9 years. Does army really need to ‘defame’ the shameless criminal politicians? Especially when they themselves played a massive role in creating those monsters. Imagine if there was no military dictatorship in the past, there would not have been blood sucking, scumbag of parties like MQM and PMLN. So yes, military is indeed to be blamed for giving us internal enemies like Altaf Hussain and Nawaz Sharif plus his entire family of crooks.
The media genie - which was ironically released by a military dictator - has created such a public deterrence that no military general who has served his entire life serving his institution would risk its pride, integrity, public respect and admiration by bringing a coup to satisfy personal ego. The times have changed. The military is the only public institution in Pakistan which closely observes its ranking amongst the general public and takes the prospect of any serious public backlash very seriously. If only the civilians and born to defamed and degraded politicians would follow such steps.
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It was well expected when Hinduvta mentality extremist became India’s PM. Not that these things didn’t happen in the past but BJP fanatics are more open with their hatred than more diplomatic Congress. Just yesterday another BJP muslim leader asked people to move to Pakistan if they want to eat Beef. I have lots of differences with Pakistan government but thank GOD we don’t have such extremist idiots.
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really? then where did all the crazy ready to die punjabi islamist jihadis that were flooding kashmir in the 80s and 90s come from? heaven? when hindutva idiots flood into lahore or somethng similar, we’ll have a comparison. t
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Nawaz Sharif has many problems including being soft against extremists but being involved in murders of hundreds of people is not one of his problems. As per Indian “Tehelka” report, Modi congratulated people who murdered hundreds of muslims during Gujrat riots. It is known fact Modi is a religious nut case which Nawaz Sharif clearly is NOT. His party members haven’t been seen shamelessly destroying Hindu temples either.
Muslim fanatics at Modi level never even win 5% of seats whereas Modi is your PM today
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nawaz has the iq of a mango, the country is run by the murderous army whose bengali genocide of 1971 makes modi look like an angel n comparison. besides, your innocent and pure ministers like rana sanaullah continue to hang out with murderers of shias daily for fundraising. hindu temples are destroyed daily and hindu girls kidnapped daily in pakistan, its not even news anymore. we are talking an order of magnitude difference.
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Quite convenient to talk about Sharif’s IQ and 1971 when discussing leaders being religious extremists. Fact is your PM Modi is a religious fanatic directly responsible for murdering 100s of people whose entry was even banned in US. He got away with murders just like Sharif got away with corruption.
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queer yaar, you are getting emotional and when you are emotional and patriotic, you will never agree to any logical proposition.
it will be hard for you to defend modi as a PM of india. he is an established fundamentalist, belongs to a party which believes in and practices Hinduism. he has been personally prosecuted for ethnic riots and yet common indians voted him into power. the fact that you have to go all the way to 1971 to attack pak shows that we dont have a record of selecting fundos…and even in 1971 it was army not elected politicians. Pakistani voters have always rejected fundos in elections. we cannot even think of likes of hafiz saeed or jamat islami to ever come into power. this is a fact.
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Exactly. Quite convenient and opportunistic to just chuck 1971 and all the other nasty things that happened during the *war *to divert attention from present situation. Let’s an immature tit for tat and talk about what the murderous Indian army has been doing in Kashmir for decades.
And, no, Hindutava terrorists don’t need to flood through Lahore. RAW will have to have an intelligence of a banana peel, all they have to do is turn Pakistan’s enemies into their friends, and offer them the same support that was once provided by ISI to Afghan fighters.
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mujhai to 1971 ki war samjah mai hi nahin ati! East india did not get its rights in politics and it all ended with qatars of people being murdered! Terrorism is India’s best played device against bangladesh and pakistan! In 1971 air route was cut off by India to sever east india’s link with pakistan! mujeeb’s governement meant humbling oneself to his abilities and his cabinet powers, but west pakistan backed off! down with china weather of pakistan
queer?
Terrorism is India’s best played device against bangladesh and pakistan! In 1971 air route was cut off by India to sever east india’s link with pakistan! mujeeb’s governement meant humbling oneself to his abilities and his cabinet powers, but west pakistan backed off! down with china weather of pakistan 
