Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
This was what I was thinking of, Persia has been an old old (powerful) civilization, the country has strong nationalist fabric based upon their historical past. They have a strong army and trying to assert themselves in the middle east to regain their past glory, any attack on them will destabilize the whole middle east, including Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Bahrain etc...
I totally agree ... Instead of making assumptions of who will win and who won't let's face the facts. The cartoon tactic of Israel ... Is a clear sign that even an idiot ... Or a child could understand that the time for another phase of this war in the middle east has arrived.
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
To those who think Israel and the US will not attack Iran, what do you think their policy will be, do you think they will just sit back and wait for Iran to become a nuclear power??? If that happens then Israel or the US would not dare attack but can do so at the moment.
Also what do you think the Sunni Arabs would like to happen? I am sure if Israel did attack the likes of Saudi, Qatar and Bahrain will publicly condemn the Zionists but behind closed door may actually be glad of it, what do you think???
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
Iran Israel war mean starting of 3rd world war and that's USA avoiding to give a green signal to Israel. Without NATO help Israel can't afford this war. And china Russia not easily gonna make this happen.
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
Why would it be WW3, who will come to Irans aid? Irans only real ally Syria has its own problems and certainily cannot be of assistance to the Persians. The Sunni Arabs won't go against America nor will Pakistan, Russia and China did nothing to stop Aghanistan, or Iraq. People have been suggesting such skirmishes will trigger the next world war repeatedly, remember the Yugoslavia crisis similar echos were heard then and vietnam before that, as did the Korean war.
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
^ well according to my limited knowledge the case here is a different
A few things that r most likely to happen:
Israel will Attack Iran's Nuclear facilities at some stage
Iran will respond to that maybe through Missile Attack and/or through it's allies in hizb'Allah, hamasa and what not
Iran has reportedly said that it'll also attack the US bases in the Gulf Area
US enters the socalled war/attack
Now the question arises what will be the outcome of this 1st phase (or maybe the only phase) of this war ..... US will most probably not put any soldiers on Iranian Soil ..... So the solution might be to bomb out anything that they might see as a threat
Now if Israel is under constant attack (if can call it as such) from Hizb'Allah and Hamas then the war may spread into Lebanon and Syria ..... With Syria already in turmoil also with Saudi/Qatar funding the sunnis ..... don't u think these powers might at some stage decide to go against Israel if the IDF attack Palestinian territories to bomb Hamas ..... there r more than enough Terror funding organization in Kuwait, Saudi Arab, Qatar etc. which have been exposed to have funded al qaida directly or indirectly .....
now just think one step ahead ...... do u really think all those monarchs in the Mid East are loved by their own ..... If Israel think that it has to defend it self from it's neighbours that it'll not hesitate to use the A option .....
one step further down the road and the day Israel defends/attacks itself against any other country except Lebanon, Syria and Iran things might turn into widespread blaze ...... Sentiments in most muslim populated countries have been constantly against Israel and it's perceived/present protector the US ..... and The US forces have enough bases to offer a target
I just hope it doesn't go that way ..... i still hope and pray that things cool down and sanity prevails but signs r ominous if u ask me :(
but then again it could be all b***crap i just uttered :D
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
Whatever one can term that they got what they wanted and are still holding it, their survival is biggest miracle. No one know s what will happen in future but they have homeland against all odds surounding them is their own smartness, they started with us in 47-48, and are way ahead of us in every develpoment and social index.
I can see from your ID you are the history moderator i don't intened to offened but I am surprised by your comments in which you are in awe of the the israelis a basic analysis from the players involved you can uncover what really happened.
the 1973 war launched by Egypt and Syria against Israel shows that the aims did not included the liberation of Palestine. The aims were to solidify the positions of Anwar Sadat and Hafez al-Assad who were new leaders in countries prone to military coups.
Mohammed Heikal the respected editor of Al Ahram from 1957 - 1974, who witnessed the war, in his book ‘The Road to Ramadhan' Heikal quotes one of Sadat's generals, Mohammed Fouwzi who gave the analogy of a samurai drawing two swords - a long one and short one in preparation for battle. Fouwzi said that this battle would be a case of the short sword, signifying a limited battle for certain motives.
Anwar Sadat had no intention of having a protracted war of liberation with Israel. This is why he sought peace with Israel whilst commanding a winning position in the war. In the first 24 hours of the war Egypt smashed through Israel's much heralded Bar-Lev fortifications east of the Suez Canal with only 68 casualties. Meanwhile 2 Syrian divisions and 500 tanks swept into the Golan Heights and retook some of the land captured in 1967. In two days of fighting Israel had lost 49 aircraft and 500 tanks. In the midst of this Sadat sent a message to US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in which he said that the objective of the war was ‘the achievement of peace in the Middle East and not partial settlements.' The message went on to state that if Israel withdrew from all occupied territories Egypt would be prepared to participate in a Peace conference under UN or neutral auspices.
Despite having the strategic advantage Sadat wanted negotiations hostilities formally came to an end on 25th October 1974.
All the wars with Israel show how the Muslim rulers have never seriously fought Israel with the intention of liberating Palestine.
Each of the wars was conducted in order to meet specific objectives, none of which were to liberate the land of Palestine and eliminate Israel. Despite the unquestionable strength of the combined Arab armies.
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
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Now if Israel is under constant attack (if can call it as such) from Hizb'Allah and Hamas then the war may spread into Lebanon and Syria ..... With Syria already in turmoil also with Saudi/Qatar funding the sunnis ..... don't u think these powers might at some stage decide to go against Israel if the IDF attack Palestinian territories to bomb Hamas ..... there r more than enough Terror funding organization in Kuwait, Saudi Arab, Qatar etc. which have been exposed to have funded al qaida directly or indirectly .....
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It really means what you mean by ..... don't u think these powers might at some stage decide to go against Israel if the IDF attack Palestinian territories to bomb Hamas .....
I really don't think the Sunni Arabs will committ its soldiers in a war against Israel, it will take a great great deal for them to go against the Americans. I am sure that Iran will fund groups like Hamas and Hizbullah to attack Israel but they will be limited to rocket and suicide attacks with limited impact. It is also possible they will fund international terroism on the US homeland
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
BB Nethanyu has put his hand too deep in US ballot box. I hope Obama wins and he will teach him a lesson for this adventurism. If Obama wins there will be no war. If Romney wins, get ready for another war in middle east next year.
Re: Netanyahu demands ‘red line’ to stop Iran’s nuclear programme
They’re putting more sanctions on Iran. Same thing happened before they invaded Iraq. They accused Iraq of having WMD, Iraq denied charges, they put sanctions and eventually decided to bomb and invade the country.
Update:
Benjamin Netanyahu told the UN time was running out to stop Iran having enough enriched uranium for a nuclear bomb.
In response, Iran’s deputy UN ambassador said his country was strong enough to defend itself.
Israel and Western countries suspect Iran is seeking nuclear weapons capability, a charge Iran denies.
Tehran says its nuclear programme is for purely peaceful purposes, such as energy and producing medical isotopes.
Iranian deputy UN ambassador Eshagh al-Habib said his country was: “strong enough to defend itself and reserves its full right to retaliate with full force against any attack”.
He accused Mr Netanyahu of making “baseless allegations” in his address to the UN General Assembly in New York.
Mr Netanyahu told delegates at the annual meeting of the assembly that Iran could have enough material to make a nuclear bomb by the middle of next year, and a clear message needed to be sent to stop Tehran in its tracks.
“Red lines don’t lead to war, red lines prevent war,” he said. “Nothing could imperil the world more than a nuclear-armed Iran.”
He said sanctions passed over the past seven years had not affected Tehran’s programme. “The hour is very late,” he told delegates. “The Iranian nuclear calendar does not take time out.”
He said he was convinced that faced with a “clear red line, Iran will back down” and added that he was confident the US and Israel could chart a common path on the issue.
On Tuesday, in his own address to the General Assembly, US President Barack Obama stressed the US would “do what we must” to stop Tehran acquiring nuclear arms.
However, while the Obama administration has not ruled out a military option, it says sanctions and multilateral negotiations with Iran must still be given time to work.
Earlier this month, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the US was not prepared to commit to drawing “red lines”.
On Wednesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Western countries of nuclear “intimidation”.
“Continued threat by the uncivilised Zionists [Israel] to resort to military action is a clear example of this bitter reality,” he told the General Assembly.
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
They're putting more sanctions on Iran. Same thing happened before they invaded Iraq. They accused Iraq of having WMD, Iraq denied charges, they put sanctions and eventually decided to bomb and invade the country.
the sanctions are having an effect on the currency of iran, they are now dealing in Gold rather than paper currency. For example china is paying them in Gold bars for the Iranians oil and gas.
this in the long term is much better because they have tangible value in Gold rather than speculative paper currency which can be worth nothing tommorow.
Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
Watch netanyahoos speech to the UN pre iraq attack and watch his recent speech at the UN on iran. Bar the countries names, you wont find much difference
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
Watch netanyahoos speech to the UN pre iraq attack and watch his recent speech at the UN on iran. Bar the countries names, you wont find much difference
Really? With all undue respect, Netanyahu did not start the war in Iraq. And, no, Israel does not really control the US as some people like to believe. :)
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
Jewish occupying the Palestianian Land are just bunch of crying babies. Let them cry. If they like, they can take action just as they did against Iraq or involve USA in the war by doing the same "brave" act they did in 67 Arab-Jewish war when they attacked a US ship in Arab Army's attire :)
Congratulations! You can apply for prize for putting as much BS in a single message as humanly possible.
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
Congratulations! You can apply for prize for putting as much BS in a single message as humanly possible.
No sorry. The prizes are already won and occupied by Natanyahu, his cronies, and the military-terrorism sponsored regime identified as Israel in the land of Palestine. But wait.. you said "humanly possible"! oopps :)
and by the way, do you deny Israel's attack on Iraq's "supposedly" nuclear facility long before the current Iraq War? ;)
Re: Netanyahu demands 'red line' to stop Iran's nuclear programme
No sorry. The prizes are already won and occupied by Natanyahu, his cronies, and the military-terrorism sponsored regime identified as Israel in the land of Palestine. But wait.. you said "humanly possible"! oopps :)
and by the way, do you deny Israel's attack on Iraq's "supposedly" nuclear facility long before the current Iraq War? ;)
No I don't. Israel indeed attacked and destroyed the Iraqi reactor. It has nothing to do with the US adventure 20 years later though