With all the death threats from the so called jihadees - No thank you very much.
And I agree with you that seculars are not clean as well. If I have to chose between the two evils I would go for secularism any day.
Your choice....
Why would you wanna sell movies anyway?
I would rather live in a world with no mullahs. So what! if its not what we want. As its not going to happen we better learn to live with what we have.
Yes, without encouraging alcohol and mullahs.
Lets say for the sake of the argument if the cars are banned, then no drunk drivers - problem solved, whats the issue now. My question still remains 99.9% of Pakistanis are non drinking people, why are they fighting. Whatever cause they are fighting for should we ban that as well. i.e. in the name of religion.
Pakistan is facing terror attacks and that has nothing to do with religion or alcohol so what's your point?
And how a person dying of liver cirrhosis (sp?) is a danger to the society?
I didn't say that......a drunkard is danger to society not a person with a disease.
Your choice....
Why would you wanna sell movies anyway?
Are you really trying or it just happens. I just gave you an example.
Yes, without encouraging alcohol and mullahs.
Yes without encouraging however if someone wants to go out of their own accord they should not be looked down upon because certain individuals do not share the same beliefs.
Pakistan is facing terror attacks and that has nothing to do with religion or alcohol so what's your point?
FGS what are these terror attacks based on?
I didn't say that......a drunkard is danger to society not a person with a disease.
Everyone is dangerous to the society if the boundries are crossed. Wrong of you to single out only the people who drink.
You are assuming that a person who want to have fun occasionally and has a good control when to stop, will loose control sooner or later. In reply I can easily say (it is just an example and not my feeling) a person who goes out pray 5 times a day will become jihadi and suicide bomber sooner or later.
Will that be fair? I guess not, but you are free to disagree.
Are you really trying or it just happens. I just gave you an example.
Pardon?
Yes without encouraging however if someone wants to go out of their own accord they should not be looked down upon because certain individuals do not share the same beliefs.
Absolutely.
FGS what are these terror attacks based on?
Mainly tribalism.
Everyone is dangerous to the society if the boundries are crossed. Wrong of you to single out only the people who drink.
You are assuming that a person who want to have fun occasionally and has a good control when to stop, will loose control sooner or later. In reply I can easily say (it is just an example and not my feeling) a person who goes out pray 5 times a day will become jihadi and suicide bomber sooner or later.
Will that be fair? I guess not, but you are free to disagree.
I didn't single out anyone, I only stated the fact about alcoholics causing troubles and costing millions of pounds every year to the government. I don't deny that we have other issues as well like terrorism, sexual abuse, drugs, weapons etc but here we were talking about people getting drunk and causing problems.
So before you give suggestions to others about alcohol being easy to buy from shelves you should also warn them against the consequences.
Pardon?
you seem to forget the earlier conversation.
Absolutely.
Good atleast we agree on something.
Mainly tribalism.
What tribalism in shia and sunni mosques in the cities?
I didn't single out anyone, I only stated the fact about alcoholics causing troubles and costing millions of pounds every year to the government. I don't deny that we have other issues as well like terrorism, sexual abuse, drugs, weapons etc but here we were talking about people getting drunk and causing problems.
So before you give suggestions to others about alcohol being easy to buy from shelves you should also warn them against the consequences.
No! you made it sound like that this the single most dangerous thing in world, thats wher I gave my point of view.
Dangers of alcoholism was not the topic hence not replied as such. Open the thread on that topic and I will give you the dangers as well. This thread was about how to make wine.
you seem to forget the earlier conversation.
Good atleast we agree on something.
What tribalism in shia and sunni mosques in the cities?
No! you made it sound like that this the single most dangerous thing in world, thats wher I gave my point of view.
Dangers of alcoholism was not the topic hence not replied as such. Open the thread on that topic and I will give you the dangers as well. This thread was about how to make wine.
No I remember it, something about opening a video shop in Peshawar, right?
Last time I checked the whole disturbance in Pakistan was caused by different tribes in north....about shia suni hatred, even if you remove religion people will always have disagreements among them and you're looking at the negative side of religion, there's much more positivity that comes with religion like morals, respect, tolerance, spiritualism etc.
Re: Nestle Grape juice ?
^Without identifying the negatives how can one remove the negatives and replace with positives. There cannot be any corective action until we admit there is a problem. We are all so ingrained with this superiority complex that we cannot see what is beyond our nose.
^Without identifying the negatives how can one remove the negatives and replace with positives. There cannot be any corective action until we admit there is a problem. We are all so ingrained with this superiority complex that we cannot see what is beyond our nose.
You're correct and that's why when someone tries to point out at the negative aspects of a religious community I try not to change the subject and I expect from others the same.