need to know for the sake of knowledge

[shardmanny]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

`Leave him, for indeed he is a man who is cut off having no descendants.

the taunts were regarding lack of male children. male children were important to them

[shardmanny]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

1) In chapter 108 of Quran it is said that the Quraysh used to call Prophet (saww) "Al-Abtar" or one who has no offspring (since Fatimah was not born at the early part of his mission). Tafsir Ibn Kathri says about the last verse of Sura Kawsar; "...Ibn Abbas, Mujahid, Said bin Jubayr and Qatadah all said, "This Ayah was revealed about Al-As bin Wa'il. Whenever the Messenger of Allah would be mentioned (in his presence) he would say,Leave him, for indeed he is a man who is cut off having no descendants. So when he dies he will not be remembered.' " So if the Prophet (saww) had all these biological, living daughters then why was he called one with "no descendants" until the birth of Fatimah (as)?

i just re-read tasfir of ibn kathir rah

gosh you actually took one sentence from his tafsir to try to prove your point. i also see why you did not post the ayah itself

is there a shia alive who can call this form of propaganda/manipulation as islam?

[ramesha]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

Sura 108, Al Kawthar

[Shakir 108:1] Surely We have given you Kausar,
[Pickthal 108:1] Lo! We have given thee Abundance;
[Yusufali 108:1] To thee have We granted the Fount (of Abundance).

[Shakir 108:2] Therefore pray to your Lord and make a sacrifice.
[Pickthal 108:2] So pray unto thy Lord, and sacrifice.
[Yusufali 108:2] Therefore to thy Lord turn in Prayer and Sacrifice.

[Shakir 108:3] Surely your enemy is the one who shall be without posterity.
[Pickthal 108:3] Lo! it is thy insulter (and not thou) who is without posterity.
[Yusufali 108:3] For he who hateth thee, he will be cut off (from Future Hope).

I posted a tradition as told by 4 companions. If you have a point to make then please go ahead.

[diwana]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

My belief is that if Prophet (saww) was a father/guardian of any of these ladies then he would not have given them to polytheists at all.

I have researched this topic and I have many reasons to believe why Ruqqaya, Zainab, Umm Kulthoom were not the daughters of the Prophet (saww). I will put some points here:

1) In chapter 108 of Quran it is said that the Quraysh used to call Prophet (saww) "Al-Abtar" or one who has no offspring (since Fatimah was not born at the early part of his mission). Tafsir Ibn Kathri says about the last verse of Sura Kawsar;

"...Ibn Abbas, Mujahid, Said bin Jubayr and Qatadah all said, "This Ayah was revealed about Al-As bin Wa'il. Whenever the Messenger of Allah would be mentioned (in his presence) he would say,Leave him, for indeed he is a man who is cut off having no descendants. So when he dies he will not be remembered.' "

So if the Prophet (saww) had all these biological, living daughters then why was he called one with "no descendants" until the birth of Fatimah (as)?

2) Prophet (saww) was mrried at the age of 25. He did not have any children until he was 29 (some traditions say 30). This means that it is about ten years before the open declaration of baasat (Prophethood) since the Prophet was 40 years of age at time of Prophethood. And it is also known that three daughters were married to Utba, Uteba and Abu al Aa's bin Rab'ee before Prophethood. This means that Qasim plus 3 daughters, if they were real, were born within the period of 10 years from Khadija (as) and got married and already had children. Really does not add up!

3) Where is the mention of these other daughters in the 6 sahi books of Sunni hadith? Fatimah (as) and her merits are recounted under a whole separate chapter.

4) why only the descendants of Fatimah (as) were recognized as Syeds in history until today? There is enormous amount of info in details in regards to children of Fatimah (as), why not the same for the other daughters?

Wasalam,

ramesha

I am not sure why you did not get the questions right.

I take it you believe the Prophet SAW knowingly gave these women to polytheists. It does not matter if they were biological daughters or not he SAW would not do that. Correct me on this one. He saw would not go against Quran.

[ramesha]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

I am not sure why you did not get the questions right.

I take it you believe the Prophet SAW knowingly gave these women to polytheists. It does not matter if they were biological daughters or not he SAW would not do that. Correct me on this one. He saw would not go against Quran.

I can not answer your questions because they do not apply to me. I am inclined to the view that these ladies were daughters of the sister of Khadija (as). Prophet (saww) was not the guardian, let alone the father, of these ladies!

Allahu Aalam.

Wasalam

[diwana]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

Busted!

I can not answer your questions because they do not apply to me. I am inclined to the view that these ladies were daughters of the sister of Khadija (as).** Prophet (saww) was not the guardian, let alone the father, of these ladies!**

Allahu Aalam.

Wasalam

The topic does apply to you since you have been discussing it so long.

Please think before posting or admit/clarify your position. Do not shrug off the discussion by saying Allahu Aalam. Thanks. :)

Let me add here based on the last bolded part of your sentence.

If you do not think he SAW was not the guardian let alone the father of these ladies,...

... then why did you try to blame Him SAW marrying these ladies off to polytheists?

[shardmanny]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

@ramesha

3. Where is the mention of these other daughters in the 6 sahi books of Sunni hadith? Fatimah (as) and her merits are recounted under a whole separate chapter.

just 5 of many

1. Sahi bukhari 5.48: …the daughter(ruqayya) of Allah’s Apostle was his(uthman) wife and she was sick then. Allah’s Apostle said to him, “You will receive the same reward and share (of the booty) as anyone of those who participated in the battle of Badr (if you stay with her).
2. Sahi bukhari 7.733: Narrated Anas bin Malik: that he had seen Um Kulthum, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle, wearing a red silk garment.
3. Sahi bukhari 1.495: Narrated Abu Qatada Al−Ansari: Allah’s Apostle was praying and he was carrying Umama the daughters of Zainab, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle and she(umama) was the daughter of ‘As bin Rabia bin Abd Shams. When he prostrated, he put her down and when he stood, he carried her (on his neck)
4. Sahi bukhari 5.76: Narrated Al−Miswar bin Makhrama: ……. “On that Allah’s Apostle got up and after his recitation of Tashah−hud. I heard him saying, “Then after! I married one of my daughters to Abu Al−As bin Al−Rabi` (the husband of Zainab, the daughter of the Prophet ) before Islam and he proved truthful in whatever he said to me.
5. He(prophet(saw)) then made a mention of his son−in law who had been from the tribe of ‘Abd Shams and praised his behaviour as a son−in−law and said: Whatever he said to me he told the truth and whatever he promised he fulfilled it for me. (sahi muslim, bk 31, number 6001)

How many Daughters did Prophet(Saw) have? | In Defense of the Aal & Ashaab

now answer diwanas question

it’ll be interesting to read (khawarij alert fully on)

[ramesha]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

@diwana

Busted!

The topic does apply to you since you have been discussing it so long.

Please think before posting or admit/clarify your position. Do not shrug off the discussion by saying Allahu Aalam. Thanks.

Let me add here based on the last bolded part of your sentence.

If you do not think he SAW was not the guardian let alone the father of these ladies,…

… then why did you try to blame him SAW to marryng these women off to polytheists?

I did not want to sound rude before but go back to page 1.

You shall see that I was actually the one who made the point that Prophet (saww) can not marry his daughters, or anyone under his care for that matter, to polytheists as it would contradict the commands of Allah (swt). Can you please show me where I suggested anything on the contrary?

[diwana]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

@ramesha

At one time there were three girls living in the household of Khadija. Their names were Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom. Zainab, the eldest of the three, was married to one Abul-‘As ibn er-Rabi’ of Makkah. This man fought against the Prophet in the battle of Badr, and was captured by the Muslims. To ransom his freedom, his wife sent to the Prophet, a necklace which at one time had belonged to Khadija, and she had given it to her as a present on her marriage. Abul-'As was set free; he returned to Makkah, and sent Zainab to Medina as he had promised to do. Zainab, however, died soon after her arrival in Medina. Later, Abul-'As also went to Medina, accepted Islam, and lived with the Muslims.

The other two girls, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom, were married to Utba and Utaiba, the sons of Abu Lahab and Umm Jameel. Umm Jameel was the sister of Abu Sufyan, the chief of the clan of Umayya. Abu Sufyan, therefore, was the maternal uncle of Utba and Utaiba.

It is not known with any degree of certainty who were these three girls. Most of the Sunni historians claim that they were the daughters of Muhammad and Khadija. According to some other historians, they were the daughters of Khadija by an earlier marriage.
**
The Shia Muslims disagree. They assert that Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom were not the daughters of Muhammad and Khadija**; in fact, they were not even the daughters of Khadija by any earlier marriage; they were the daughters of a (widowed) sister of Khadija. **Khadija’s **sister also died, and upon her death, she brought the three girls into her own house and **brought them up as her own children.
**
According to the Shia Muslims, Muhammad and Khadija had three and not six children.The first two of them – Qasim and Tayyeb or Tahir – were boys, and both of them died in their infancy. Their third and the last child was a girl – Fatima Zahra. She was their only child who did not die in infancy.

The girls – Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom – could not have been the daughters of the Prophet of Islam. If they were, he would not have given them in marriage to the idolaters which the husbands of all three of them were. It’s true that all three girls were married long before the dawn of Islam. But then he did not violate any of the imperatives of Qur’an at any time – before or after he was ordained God’s Messenger. And Qur’an is explicit on the prohibition of the marriage of a Muslim woman to a pagan.

The proscription of the marriage of a Muslim woman and a polytheist occurs in the following verses of Qur’an:

Do not marry (your girls) to unbelievers. (Chapter 2; verse 221)

They (believing women) are not lawful (wives) for the unbelievers, nor are the (unbelievers) lawful (husbands) for them. (Chapter 60; verse 10)

There are other verses in Qur’an which, without referring specifically to marriage, make it impossible for a Muslim to give his daughter or daughters to an idolater. Some of them are:

…the curse of God is on those without faith. (Chapter 2; verse 89)

…God is an enemy to those who reject faith. (Chapter 2, verse 98)

O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean. (Chapyrt 9:verse 28)

Can a Muslim, even if he is a “marginal” or a “statistical” Muslim, believe that Muhammad, the Bringer and the Interpreter of Qur’an, would give his daughters to those men whom God has cursed; whose enemy He is; and who are unclean?

To a believer, the verses of Qur’an quoted above, are incontrovertible proof that Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom, all three married, at one time, to three idolaters in Makkah, were not the daughters of Muhammad Mustafa and Khadija.

It should also be noted that the Apostle who was very fond of children, never said anything about Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom. The parents give the same love to all their children, and do not make any distinction between them. But he was bestowing encomiums only upon his daughter, Fatima Zahra. Judging by the traditions, he was not even aware that three women called Zainab, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom existed.

Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom were still living with their husbands when a new revelation, the Chapter 111 of Qur’an, came from Heaven. In this chapter Abu Lahab and his wife, Umm Jameel, the in-laws of Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom, were cursed for their perversity.

The new revelation roused the anger of the old couple, and they ordered their sons to divorce their wives, and to send them back to Khadija’s home. The boys obeyed their parents, divorced their wives and they (the wives) returned to Khadija’s home. Sometime later, Ruqayya was married to Uthman bin Affan. She died in A.D. 624. After her death, her sister, Umm Kulthoom, was also married to Uthman. She died a few years later.

The years in Makkah, after the proclamation of Islam, and the early years in Medina, were fraught with peril for Muhammad. Everyday brought new challenges to him. He put his life in the line of fire as soon as he stepped out of his house. And yet, Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom are never mentioned as giving any service to their father. On the other hand, Fatima Zahra helped her father in various emergencies, both in Makkah and Medina. Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom both were many years older than Fatima, and they ought to have cheered and comforted their father whenever he was oppressed by the idolaters in Makkah or was wounded in battles in Medina but they never did.

The Sunni historians have bestowed upon Uthman the g*****loquent title of Dhun-Noorayn which means “the owner of two lights,” because he married, according to them, two daughters of the Prophet, **an honor not attained even by Abu Bakr and Umar!
**
Uthman became the owner of two lights after marrying Ruqayya and Umm Kulthoom. **But both of these girls were married to two idolaters, i.e., Utba and Utaiba, the sons of Abu Lahab, before they were married to Uthman. Therefore, each of the two sons of Abu Lahab ought to be called Dhun-Noor – the owner of one light. Each of them, Utba and Utaiba, was the owner of one light which he passed on to Uthman, thus making him the owner of two lights. After all, the lights remained the same; only the ownership changed! **

from: http://www.al-islam.org/restatement/58.htm

You were not truthful when you said you could not answer my simple questions. Interesting.

So here I made black and red colors.

First: By reading your red part it is very certain you are NOT even a muslim. You delibeately degrade and insult the prophet SAW and the first woman in Islam Khadija RAA by calling them on first name basis without respect like they were your buddies (Nauz).

I am not even certain what your religion or faith/sect is.

You do seem to have read some of Islamic history.

You also contradicted yourself. You did say how come these ladies be his SAW daughters, if they would, he SAW would not have them marry idolaters. Hence you did blame him SAW for going against Quran.

Second, you are basing your false assumption that despite your statement that others died in short time, they should have been there for the support of their father SAW?

Provide the timeline here oh my most likely ‘non-muslim historian’ disguising as shia muslim!

@ramesha

^Even before the islam the true believers had an Abrahamic religion, just like prophet Mohammed . None of the Abrahamic religions (Jews, Christians, …) allows someone to marry his daughers to kufaar (idol worshippers), even before the islam. That is why I ask how Prophet could marry:

Zainab to Abu al-Aas ibn al-Rabiah who was an idol worshipper (polytheism).

Ruqaya to Utbah ibn Abu Lahab who was the son of Abu Lahab (idol worshippers), beofre marrying Uthman. (from what I have read it was a marriage and she was living with the son of Abu Lahab)

Umm Kulthum to Utaybah bin Abu Lahab, he was also a son of Abu Lahab (idol worshippers) and after that she got married to Uthman.

I thought we all agree that the prophet (saw) was a Hanif (Arabian monotheists and follower of the religion of Ibrahim) in the pre-islamic period. In the religion of Ibrahim it’s not allowed to marry your daugheters to non-believers, so how could the prophet make such a big mistake? That’s why we believe they were not his biological daughters.

I don’t believe Khadija (sa) was a polytheist. And I don’t believe Warqa Ibn Naufal knew Jibrael better than the Prophet (saww)!

Allah (swt) knows the best. Wasalam

You know, you based your whole argument on claiming these ladies were not his SAW daughters since he SAW allowed them to be married to polytheists. Blaming the prophet SAW for their marriage to polytheists.

But when pointed out, you run away saying because they were married to polytheists, the prophet SAW could not have done that.

Flip-flopping to extreme is obvious.

@ramesha

diawana, go back to page 1 and you should see that I actually made the point that Prophet (saww) can not marry his daughters, or anyone under his care for that matter, to polytheists as it would contradict the commands of Allah (swt).

Yes I know, but your red statements defy your assertion.

Make up your mind.

Read especially the red bold sentences of yours before coming back with answer.

[ramesha]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

@diwana

You were not truthful when you said you could not answer my simple questions. Interesting.

So here I made black and red colors.

First: By reading your red part it is very certain you are NOT even a muslim. You delibeately degrade and insult the prophet SAW and the first woman in Islam Khadija RAA by calling them on first name basis without respect like they were your buddies (Nauz).

I am not even certain what your religion or faith/sect is.

You do seem to have read some of Islamic history.

You also contradicted yourself. You did say how come these ladies be his SAW daughters, if they would, he SAW would not have them marry idolaters. Hence you did blame him SAW for going against Quran.

Second, you are basing your false assumption that despite your statement that others died in short time, they should have been there for the support of their father SAW?

Provide the timeline here oh my most likely ‘non-muslim historian’ disguising as shia muslim!

If you stop to speed read then you will see that this was an article by Syed Ali Rizvi and not my own writing. I do not believe Prophet (saww) that these ladies were the daughters of Prophet (saww). Try and contribute to the questions I have asked rather than passing judgements on me.

You know, you based your whole argument on claiming these ladies were not his SAW daughters since he SAW allowed them to be married to polytheists. Blaming the prophet SAW for their marriage to polytheists.

I am questioning the popular Shia-Sunni view on these ladies. How could 4 children be born within a space of 10 years and get married. Something is amiss. I am happy to say that my knowledge is very limited but I guess I should not expect a answer here.

But when pointed out, you run away saying because they were married to polytheists, the prophet SAW could not have done that.

Flip-flopping to extreme is obvious.

lost in translation!

[diwana]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

@ramesha

If you stop to speed read then you will see that this was an article by Syed Ali Rizvi and not my own writing. I do not believe Prophet (saww) that these ladies were the daughters of Prophet (saww). Try and contribute to the questions I have asked rather than passing judgements on me.

I am questioning the popular Shia-Sunni view on these ladies. How could 4 children be born within a space of 10 years and get married. Something is amiss. I am happy to say that my knowledge is very limited but I guess I should not expect a answer here.

lost in translation!

Look! Whoever you are, I do not engage in these kind of discussions but when you tried to make blatant remarks I wanted to point that out.

Regardless of these ladies being biologocal or not you DID blame the Prophet SAW for marrying them off to polytheists and tried to prove they were not His SAW biological daughters.

You did flip-flop your position.

**“You know, you based your whole argument on claiming these ladies were not his SAW daughters since he SAW allowed them to be married to polytheists. Blaming the prophet SAW for their marriage to polytheists. **”

Again you avoided answering this and made irrelevant statement above.

Now clearly answer:

Did you not post the names of respectable figures in disrespectful way?

Did you not say, the prophet SAW married these ladies off to polytheists and hence they were not his SAW biological daughters?

Yes or No?

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

@ramesha

I have researched this topic and I have many reasons to believe why Ruqqaya, Zainab, Umm Kulthoom were not the daughters of the Prophet (saww). I will put some points here:

1. In chapter 108 of Quran it is said that the Quraysh used to call Prophet (saww) “Al-Abtar” or one who has no offspring (since Fatimah was not born at the early part of his mission). Tafsir Ibn Kathri says about the last verse of Sura Kawsar;

"…Ibn Abbas, Mujahid, Said bin Jubayr and Qatadah all said, "This Ayah was revealed about Al-As bin Wa'il. Whenever the Messenger of Allah would be mentioned (in his presence) he would say, Leave him, for indeed he is a man who is cut off having no descendants. So when he dies he will not be remembered.’ "

So if the Prophet (saww) had all these biological, living daughters then why was he called one with “no descendants” until the birth of Fatimah (as)?

Wasalam,
ramesha

Peace ramesha!

**Kauthar: **the heavenly Fountain of unbounded grace and knowledge, mercy and goodness, truth and wisdom, spiritual power and insight, which was granted to the holy Prophet , the man of God, and in some degree or other, to all men and women who are sincere devotees of God. That Fountain quenches the highest spiritual thrist of man: It confers overflowing benefite of all kinds. In Surah Baqarah verses 269: “And he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing.” Such a person wants for nothing: wordly pomp and wealth are a dust beneath his feet.

Sahih Bukhari Virtues of Madinah

Hadith No. 112

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “There is a garden from the gardens of Paradise between my house and my pulpit, and my pulpit is on my Lake Fount (Al-Kauthar).”

He who grants these blessing is God, and to God alone must we turn in adoration and thanksgiving, and in sacrifices. Nahr=sacrifice: in a restricted ritual sense, the sacrifice of camels (Surah Al Hajj verses 33, 36 about sacrifce of camel) But the ritual is a mere symbol. Behind it is a deep spiritual meaning: the meat slaughtered feeds the poor, and the slaughter is a symbol of the self-sacrifice in our heats. “It is not their meat nor their blood, that teaches Allah: it is your piety that eaches Him” (Surah Al Hajj verses 37)

Hatred and spite are not constructive contributions to the work of this world, but its opposite. Abu Jahl and his Pagans confederates vented their personal spite and venom against the Prophet by taunting him with the loss of his two infant sons by Hazrat Khadija , but where were these venomous detractors a few years afterwards, when the divine Light shone more brilliantly than over? It was these that were cut off from all future hope, in this world and the next.

Sahih Bukhari Book Companions of the Prophet

Hadith No. 76

Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: 'Ali demanded the hand of the daughter of Abu Jahl. Fatima heard of this and went to Allah’s Apostle saying, "Your people think that you do not become angry for the sake of your daughters as 'Ali is now going to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl. “On that Allah’s Apostle got up and after his recitation of Tashah-hud. I heard him saying, “Then after! I married one of my daughters to Abu Al-‘As bin Al-Rabi’ (the husband of Zainab, the daughter of the Prophet ) before Islam and he proved truthful in whatever he said to me. No doubt, Fatima is a part of me, I hate to see her being troubled. By Allah, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle and the daughter of Allah’s Enemy cannot be the wives of one man.” So 'Ali gave up that engagement. 'Al-Miswar further said: I heard the Prophet talking and he mentioned a son-in-law of his belonging to the tribe of Bani 'Abd-Shams. He highly praised him concerning that relationship and said (whenever) he spoke to me, he spoke the truth, and whenever he promised me, he fulfilled his promise.”

[aqeel123]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

@ramesha

^Even before the islam the true believers had an Abrahamic religion, just like prophet Mohammed . None of the Abrahamic religions (Jews, Christians, ...) allows someone to marry his daughers to kufaar (idol worshippers), even before the islam. That is why I ask how Prophet could marry:

Zainab to Abu al-Aas ibn al-Rabiah who was an idol worshipper (polytheism).

Ruqaya to Utbah ibn Abu Lahab who was the son of Abu Lahab (idol worshippers), beofre marrying Uthman. (from what I have read it was a marriage and she was living with the son of Abu Lahab)

Umm Kulthum to Utaybah bin Abu Lahab, he was also a son of Abu Lahab (idol worshippers) and after that she got married to Uthman.

I thought we all agree that the prophet (saw) was a Hanif (Arabian monotheists and follower of the religion of Ibrahim) in the pre-islamic period. In the religion of Ibrahim it's not allowed to marry your daugheters to non-believers, so how could the prophet make such a big mistake? That's why we believe they were not his biological daughters.

I don't believe Khadija (sa) was a polytheist. And I don't believe Warqa Ibn Naufal knew Jibrael better than the Prophet (saww)!

Allah (swt) knows the best. Wasalam

Thanks for the replies sister,

You said we dont beleive that prophet s.a.w could mary his biological daughters to non-believers ?

My question now is why limit it to biological daughters ?

I would say i dont beleive that Prophet s.a.w could marry a muslim girl (or a girl on deen-e-Ibrahim) to a non believer, so it doesnt really matter if they were biological or non biological daughters of Prophet s.a.w, Even if they were nieces of Hazrat Khadija a.s ; they wud still be on deen-e-Ibrahim and hence cant be married to non-believers.

Wasalam
Aqeel

[aqeel123]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

Look! Whoever you are, I do not engage in these kind of discussions but when you tried to make blatant remarks I wanted to point that out.

Regardless of these ladies being biologocal or not you DID blame the Prophet SAW for marrying them off to polytheists and tried to prove they were not His SAW biological daughters.

You did flip-flop your position.

*"You know, you based your whole argument on claiming these ladies were not his SAW daughters since he SAW allowed them to be married to polytheists. Blaming the prophet SAW for their marriage to polytheists. *"

Again you avoided answering this and made irrelevant statement above.

Now clearly answer:

Did you not post the names of respectable figures in disrespectful way?

Did you not say, the prophet SAW married these ladies off to polytheists and hence they were not his SAW biological daughters?

Yes or No?

Brother, Not to start an argument here but i think thats a valid question... As a muslim we shld know that Prophet s.a.w would never marry his daughters well if u ask my belief. I dont believe that Prophet s.a.w. would ever marry a muslim girl to a non-beleiver. So if someone raises question on how could Prophet s.a.w marry his daughters to non-believers its not judging Prophet s.a.w but judging a muslims believe...how can u read something or hear something that absurd and believe it without thinking about it ?

[lethal_kamikaze]

Re: need to know for the sake of knowledge

Peace!

The thread opener asked whether daughter of our Prophet Muhammad married to non-quraish? I think she got her answer as well as we all slightly moved off the track. To further discuss about marrying to a non-muslim, You are welcome to open a new thread as this thread served its purpose.