Assalamoalekum
I am doing some research and need some help from any Qadiyani [not Lahori Jamat] members on this board…
This is a sincere query so please if there are any Qadiyanis who have some knowledge about their community and would be able to help me, send me a private message.
Thank you Jazak Allah
Questioner
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Lahori Jamat? Is there now a difference between Karachi Kashmiri Lahori Peshawari JAAMATs???
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Qadiyanis are divided into 2 sects. One sect is the regular jamaat and the other is Lahori Jamaat. (It is just the name of the sect, and probably got that name because it begun in Lahore).
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This should be an interesting thread!!!!
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Qadiyanis are divided into 2 sects. One sect is the regular jamaat and the other is Lahori Jamaat. (It is just the name of the sect, and probably got that name because it begun in Lahore).
Ok lets keep discussing here instead of restricting It on to PMS only. What is the difference between Lahori and other jamaat?
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These are the difference as per Lahore Ahmedia Movement website
Lahore Ahmadiyya Jamaat:
1. We the Ahmadis of Lahore firmly believe that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was the last prophet of Allah, after whom no prophet old or new can appear and that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was the Mujaddid (Reformer) of the 14th Century Hijra, in accordance with the prophecy of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that at the head of each century Hijra, Allah shall raise a Mujaddid from amongst the Muslims to purify their religion of such wrong ideas and practices as may have arisen during the previous 100 years.
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Mirch has differentiated the two groups rightly, and according to above interpretation, lahories are more like a sect in Islam ( like Shias, Wahabies, Brailvies) and if one go in deep analysis of Lahori group with the existing sect in Islam there will be hard to find a reason to declare them kafirs and other muslims.
on the other hand, Qadyanies, have their own prophet ( Mirza Ghulam Ahmed), which is clear violation of Quranic orders, so they are declared as non-muslims and interestingly they call us the same, who ever don't believe in the Prophecy of Mirza Ghlam Ahmed Qadyan, is non-muslim and it is not adviced to have relationships with them.
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Thank you Mirch and Hanibal. But why call one Ahmadiyyans and the other Qaidiani or are both Qaidiani as well as Ahmadiyyans but the only difference lies between Lahore and the rest?! ANd why LAHORE jamaaat why not given a different name to their "sect"!??
Appreciate your answers.
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Assalamoalekum
I am doing some research and need some help from any Qadiyani [not Lahori Jamat] members on this board...
This is a sincere query so please if there are any Qadiyanis who have some knowledge about their community and would be able to help me, send me a private message.
Thank you Jazak Allah Questioner
The best way to learn would be to visit the official Ahmadiyya website www.alislam.org
Ok lets keep discussing here instead of restricting It on to PMS only. What is the difference between Lahori and other jamaat?
lets not!
From past experience, the discussion in threads turns into mudslinging very quickly. If you want to see proof, just use the search option to find the number of times ahmadiyya beliefs have been discussed and the number of times the thread has gone beyond the first page without mud being thrown around.
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Chacha is right I took the above excerpt from their site.
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Mirch has differentiated the two groups rightly, and according to above interpretation, lahories are more like a sect in Islam ( like Shias, Wahabies, Brailvies) and if one go in deep analysis of Lahori group with the existing sect in Islam there will be hard to find a reason to declare them kafirs and other muslims.
on the other hand, Qadyanies, have their own prophet ( Mirza Ghulam Ahmed), which is clear violation of Quranic orders, so they are declared as non-muslims and interestingly they call us the same, who ever don't believe in the Prophecy of Mirza Ghlam Ahmed Qadyan, is non-muslim and it is not adviced to have relationships with them.
Actually, the Pakistani government, in its infinite wisdom, has declared both groups non-Muslim. Thank you Zulfikar Ali Bhutto!!!
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I had paid attention on different jamaat of Ahmadiyyans not merely discussing them to be muslims or non muslims. I dont see a problem with It as long as we keep the discussion on spot!
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Strongly disagree.
Lahoree mirzais have been declared as holding kuffriya believes thorugh ijamai ummat .
However these were first reported differences in mirzais jammat according to mirzai jammaat.
Mirza qadiyani openly claimed that he was nauzobillahprophet and thus the belief that mirza was muslims is initself a kuffar.
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These are the difference as per Lahore Ahmedia Movement website Lahore Ahmadiyya Jamaat: 1. We the Ahmadis of Lahore firmly believe that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was the last prophet of Allah, after whom no prophet old or new can appear and that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was the Mujaddid (Reformer) of the 14th Century Hijra, in accordance with the prophecy of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that at the head of each century Hijra, Allah shall raise a Mujaddid from amongst the Muslims to purify their religion of such wrong ideas and practices as may have arisen during the previous 100 years.
We the Ahmadis of Lahore Jamaat also believe that whoever recites the Kalimah Tayyaba: (laa ilaa-haa ill-Allah Muhammad-ur-Rasool-Allah) is a Muslim. ** Qadiani Jamaat:**
On the other hand, the Qadianis believe that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was a real prophet like the prophets who appeared at various times and in different nations ever since the birth of humanity. They misinterpret the expression Khatam-un-Nabiyeen to mean the seal of the prophets, because the dictionary meaning of Khatam is seal. Apart from the fact that this interpretation is against the Holy Quran and Hadith, it is based on the totally wrong misrepresentation that a seal opens up things. Actually, it is always used to close things finally and firmly, such as the sealing of a letter or a lock.
The Qadianis believe that even those who recite the Kalimah Tayyaba are Kafirs (Disbelievers) if they do not accept Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib to be real prophet. These are the fundamental differences of faith between the two communities. Other off-shoots of these two articles of faith such as the saying of prayers behind other Muslims, or marriage relationship with them, are merely consequential to the two basic principles of faith mentioned above.
The writter sounds lahori so cant really trust the source.... according to the source Hazrat Isa wont appear again ! thats lahori belif.
I dunt feel like calling them kafir .... but these religions or sects are just pathetic !
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questioner_, this is no way right to open up a thread without any specific question about the ahmadiyya muslim jamaat. We've already exchanged quite a few PMs.. these people here just know how to disgrace people of the other sect. People here will not be of any help to you.
PS: You should know it by now that calling an ahmadi muslim 'qadiyani' is offensive.... (since we've exchanged some PMS..and i wont discuss it here what your question was..since you didnt disclose ur question urself)...however, if you were sincere about your question..you should have given some respect to the ahmadi sect. Either you're here to learn or you wanna see heated debate between ahmadi ppl here and other people.. i just dont know what you intentions are.
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I had no intention to post in this thread any more-
magar ki karye
Mirza sahib used qadiyani for himself so using it for qadiyanis should be an honour for qadiyanis , like having nisbat of makkiah is always a proud for muslims.thats is why many muslims use makki with their name.
Also calling them mirzais should also be taken as a pride from qadiyanis as this name was given to most pious qadiyanis by hakim nuur uddin sucessor of mirza qadiyani.(reference-kalmatul fasl frombasheer ahmed MA)
I request thread starter to PM his question to me, i may be able to give him a muslim perspective.
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Assalamoalekum
I am doing some research and need some help from any Qadiyani [not Lahori Jamat] members on this board...
This is a sincere query so please if there are any Qadiyanis who have some knowledge about their community and would be able to help me, send me a private message.
Thank you Jazak Allah Questioner
what is the topic of your research?
besides chacha ghalib, there is another member "PaKpatriot1" but it think he is banned :D
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No reply after 2 days-
Does that mean that it is okay if we use mirzais or qadiyanis.
???
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acc to one qadyani the term “Mirzai” is used by fascist 
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how about you find another hobby? 