Need help from folks living in Canada

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Hi guys,

I need some desperate help from desi bros living in Canada.

I am a webdeveloper, i worked for a website that offers canadian immigration services, i have worked for this website
for many years. However, few months ago it started giving me more work and even asked me to do thier SEO but they started coming up with excuses for payments, like the person always in contact said his mother died and he is too sad and desperate to do anything such as going to make payment through wetern union, (they always paid me through western union).

A few months ago, they asked me to make some changes in thier site which were not appropreiate, so i refused, and since then they are not paying my remaining amount of CAD 1350. After many emails and promising for months they sent me a check of CAD500 which returned and i had to pay 7500RS on top of it.

The person isn;t even going rude, he keeps on promissing he will pay my amount, and is continuesly coming with with excuses, after over 5 months of frustration, i sent a mail saying i will take legal action if they did not make payment within this month, the guy replied saying, “go ahead” , however, he sent an email next day saying he will make payment by end of july. i said “ok”

Now it is Aug 2nd, and no reply from him anymore, i am thinking of instead sending him another email and being fooled again i should submit a consumer fraud complain with http://www.complaintsboard.com

Now, i want to ask here, that how reliable is this source, or is their any other organisation which can handle my complain more effectively, I am living in pakistan, i don;t have much knowledge, but i strongly think that the way they treated me and for past over 5 months they do deserve a lesson, atleast some headache, though i know i can;t do much to them, but i do deserve some justice, as i have given full commitment and best services to them for so many years.

Any Help anyone??!! please!

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as much as i know about law i dont think you have strong case unless you have an employment contract which states that he will make payments after you have provide your services 2nd NEVER accept payments through western union you cant use it as a proof when it comes to legal issues.

Right now the only option you have is talk to the person nicely and explain him your situation and tell him that you have other obligation and need to pay and you are depending on this pay cheque. Threatening him that you gona sue him won't work. If this guy knows even little bit of law he wont pay you even a penny because you cant prove it to court that he owes you any money.

WORD OF ADVICE: Never do any work without an employment contract and proper documentation.

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I understand the situation, and i have been very polite, or i wudn;t have waited for over 5 months.

I have done everything very politely, the SEO charges are to be paid in advance and the biggest mistake i have made
is to pay his SEO charges from my pocket on his request thinking he is going through bad times, since his mother recetnly passed away.

I have explained things to him, but he is just being an asshole, and made me waste another 7500 for the returned check he sent. I know i can;t get the charges but seeing he created so much headache for me on purpose, i do want to give him as much headache as he has given me, so he will think twice before ripping someone else off.

He is in immigration services, i don;t know if he is ripping thousands off by this, so i want to make a fraud complain against his company.

Any guideline regarding this will be highly appreciated.

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Which immigration service he works for here in Canada???

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Xtron, i don;t know if it's appropreate to give his company name here, if you still want to know i let me know i pm you if i can
since i don;t know if i can send pm yet.

He works for or run a company that offers canadian immigration services, like immmgration consultants. I suppose he is the owner, he has websites and office in ontario. and i have checked that it's a regestered company. even though being a regestered company does not guarantee anything, since i am sure no one from inside the canada will go to them asking them for canadian immigration consultation and if they ripping off people from outside canada, not many ppl like me have access to right information to ask for juctice.

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in Canada, no legal business operates in thin air...they are all subject to rules N regulations. If you have proofs of services provided, payments received and amounts owing, you may first contact **Ministry of Labour Standards and/or The Canadian Chamber of Commerce**** and complain to them.

If nothing works, you can go to *Small Claims Court* and file a case against them. you may ask some local person to do the job on your behalf. but again, you must have all the documentary evidence.

Good Luck!**

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I second what KKF said , you would have emails from them that can work as legally binding contract and proof that they have been using your services and they owe you money.
You can find a lawyer in Canada via web who can help you. I once was about to use a lawyer in India against a web development company which took money from me and did shoddy work on my website. But once I told them that I have hired a lawyer from Hyderabad to go after them the fulfilled their contract. We also had email exchanges which proved that they owe me that work. I paid them via Paypal and had proof of those payments.

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Thanks KKF and Mirchi,

Yes, i have proofs of working for him, all the emails and chats from past many years, plus the returned check, and all his latest emails promissing of paying the amount.

How can i hire a lawyer from Canada, how much are the charges of lawyers in Canada. Any help, any advicse, any suggestion will be highly appreciated.

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There are some folks with a legal background at Gupshup.
Let me see if I can encourage one to provide some advice.

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Wait to hear from Muzna that would be awesome if you could get an advice from someone you can trust via these forums.

There are many directories on the internet for Canadian Civil Lawyers one example:
http://www.lawyerlocate.ca/Canadian/civil/lawyers

Lawyer will charge you some money for initial consulting and for sending a legal notice to pay. If that party pays then you have saved a bundle. Talk to lawyer about representing you in small claims court and fee for enforcement of judgement if you win.
KKF has above has given you good advice about going to Ministry of Labor/Chamber of Commerce.

All this might get you results without going to court. Be ready to make a compromise on the amount this guy can pay.

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Unfortunately the cost of hiring a lawyer or a paralegal will probably be greater than any judgement you receive, which is why cases of this nature are usually argued in Small Claims courts where you can represent yourself and save on lawyer costs.

Here is the website for the rules and forms for filing a small claim in Ontario.

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^ Thanks to all of you above and Muzna, i will be waiting for a response from you too.

I deeply appreciate all the responses above.

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Please don't wait for a response from me. I am not an authority on this matter.
when I have been in a situation to seek legal advice I had found it most beneficial to first seek guidance and support from governing bodies like the Ministry of Labour and the Chamber of Commerce.

I have found that complaints lodged with these authorities tend to carry some weight provided you are able to send documentation of your contract and the correct business name, address and specific contact person.

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Not sure if the Better Business Bureau would be any help in this regard, but it might be worth a try - http://www.bbb.org/canada/
but if you’re feeling especially snubbed - you’re the webmaster, why not change the authentication credentials to the content platform, domain/name server records and lock the website and then negotiate * evil grin :devil: *

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I agree with this statement. To commence an action and proceed with litigation, you will pay more fees than what you are actually owed.

What I suggest to you is to make a complaint to all the following places:

https://www.csic-scci.ca/content/contact

Do not withhold any information. Tell them every detail you know, including the man’s full name, address, business he is operating with, etc.

Bill C-35 has been passed precisely for this reason, to protect the public from fraudulent immigration consultants. You will be doing the public a service by reporting him.

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do you mean that his check was returned due to **'insufficient funds'*? if that's the case, *it's a criminal offense and he can be charged with FRAUD****.

tell the guy you may consider pressing charges against him for writing 'BAD' chaques, he might get scared and cough up the money. writing bogus checks is an arrestable criminal offense. you have a tool at your hand...use it you you so wish.**

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since he is overseas, in Pakistan, he has also the option of appointing one of his friends/relatives, if he got any here in Ontario, who he may pursue his case on his behalf. this would save him a few bucks.

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They aren’t any help at all in recovering any debts. they are a watchdog credit reporting agency and they just keep a track of credit defaulters. they do, however, maintain a business review registry…Farisi may want to register a complaint against this company so others may benefited and be warned.

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Judges don't take kindly to people who do not show up in court themselves. If he wants to appoint someone, it would be better for him to appoint a paralegal to represent him properly. Someone else can attend court on his behalf and give incorrect testimony. He would still have to go through the litigation process (which costs money) regardless.

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i don't think Judges are allowed to have biases. anyhow, the court charges can be claimed back from the defendant...Judgments always include **court costs**** PLUS, if malice is established on the part of the defendant, the Judge might award a *punitive damage.*