NBA Draft

UMAIR316 · July 16, 2003, 6:34pm

Please go see when did I thrash the Lakers, I think they are the most talented players in the league, i am a huge fan of Kobe and Shaq themselves.
Please bring some statements where I have made negative remarks about the Lakers.

What does Matrix Reloaded has to do with this topic.
Bhai jaan, please stop trying to to stay away with the facts.
Kobe is a great basketball player, probably the next Jordan, and if he is found guilty (which is very unlikely), then he won’t be the same again.
Kind of reminds of Tyson. He was the greatest boxer of the decade and was destined to do great things but trouble with the law ruined his career. Though I don’t think Kobe will have the sam outcomes.

Oh so now days in the NBA, player can be selected for its fouling abilities. I know how to foul as well. Where can I signup for the NBA.

UMAIR316 · July 16, 2003, 6:36pm

Are the Lakers too good for their own good?

by Larry Beil
July 16, 2003

It’s the middle of July, and by all accounts, time for David Stern to start polishing up the old championship trophy for delivery to the Hall of Fame Club, also known as the Los Angeles Lakers. By adding Karl Malone and Gary Payton to a starting lineup that already included Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant, the Lakers will undoubtedly steamroll over the rest of the NBA and slam-dunk their way to the ring ceremony. Or will they?

This NBA offseason has been like the Cold War, with two superpowers adding so much firepower they could blow up the world over and over again. The Lakers get Payton; the Nets retain Jason Kidd. The Lakers get Malone; the Nets get Alonzo Mourning.

Granted, the Lakers’ foursome might be the best collection of talent since Hugh Hefner started collecting bunnies, but stockpiling talent doesn’t necessarily translate into championships. If that truly were the case, the Portland Trail Blazers would lead the league in wins every year instead of arrests.

Speaking of which, any conversation about the Lakers’ next dynasty comes with the assumption that whatever Bryant was doing with that concierge in Colorado, he won’t be watching the playoffs next year in an orange jumpsuit.

Beyond his legal problems, Bryant also will have to deal with a Payton problem. Payton has been a star in the NBA for a long time. He was the heart and soul of the Sonics for 13 years, but neither his heart nor soul did much for the Milwaukee Bucks when he joined them at the end of last season. Surely, suiting up in purple and gold will appeal to Payton’s psyche more than George Karl’s terminally ill Bucks, but I wonder about chemistry on the court.

Payton loves to control the game – Kobe lives to control it, the ball almost welded to his hands on key possessions. Notice how when Shaq got into foul trouble in recent seasons, you could almost see the light go on inside Bryant’s head. It was his time to single-handedly save the day: Have no fear, Kobe’s here! How does Kobe deal with Payton controlling the offense, dictating whom gets shots with the game on the line? I see friction and frustration just waiting to happen.

Add the Mailman to the mix, and now you have another guy who is used to being the focal point of the offense. How does he fit into the triangle offense after a lifetime of running the pick-and-roll with John Stockton?

And that’s just the offense. The Lakers still haven’t answered the question that stumped them in the second round of the playoffs against the Spurs: Can anybody around here guard Tim Duncan? Malone may have the biceps of the Hulk, but do the Lakers really expect the 40-year-old Mailman to deliver defensively in crunch time against the two-time league MVP? Or do rookies Brian Cook and Luke Walton get that job? Yikes.

L.A.'s Fearsome Foursome have great resumes. Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton have combined to score more than 86,000 career points. But as the Lakers may learn next season, too much of a good thing may not be such a good thing.

Great article by the author, too many famous player in one team doesn’t mean an automatic championship ring.

system · July 16, 2003, 6:36pm

Lakers are going to have a tough time fitting in Malone and Shaq in the paint and Payton likes to dribble too much. They needed role players, like a PJ Brown not Malone. Two big bodies in the paint slows down the offense which is quite bad considering they don;t play defense int eh west and it is all run and gun.

I would say, Mavs and Kings might be in better position now having not tinkered too much.

I_m_Kool · July 16, 2003, 6:38pm

What the heck?????
i came here to see people's thought about NBA draft, Lebron james, Carmelo anthony, Chris bosh and all these new potential superstars but all i see is people arguing about last season and have beens like David Robinson and stuff.

Pakistani_Tiger · July 16, 2003, 6:39pm

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Please go see when did I thrash the Lakers, I think they are the most talented players in the league, i am a huge fan of Kobe and Shaq themselves. Please bring some statements where I have made negative remarks about the Lakers.
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Oh yeah, life is a bitch and then you die...

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What does Matrix Reloaded has to do with this topic.
Bhai jaan, please stop trying to to stay away with the facts.
Kobe is a great basketball player, probably the next Jordan, and if he is found guilty (which is very unlikely), then he won't be the same again.
Kind of reminds of Tyson. He was the greatest boxer of the decade and was destined to do great things but trouble with the law ruined his career. Though I don't think Kobe will have the sam outcomes.
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You'll never understand..........Simple

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Oh so now days in the NBA, player can be selected for its fouling abilities. I know how to foul as well. Where can I signup for the NBA.
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Did I say that? Read what Matsui said.

UMAIR316 · July 16, 2003, 6:42pm

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Did I say that? Read what Matsui said.
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This is what you said.

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About, David Robinson, yes I was wrong about pts, please have a look at no. of fouls as well
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Have a nice day :)

Pakistani_Tiger · July 16, 2003, 6:46pm

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Lakers are going to have a tough time fitting in Malone and Shaq in the paint and Payton likes to dribble too much.
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As long as Phil Jackson is there, no worries. I just hope he remains healthy. I can wait for Championship two years or so but never ever wanna lose a guy like PJ!

Umair, I never said NBA should select players on the no. of fouls. You are twisted... This is what you said

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Oh so now days in the NBA, player can be selected for its fouling abilities. I know how to foul as well. Where can I signup for the NBA.
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Go ahead, NBA wants to hire you.....

Yeah yeah, ya'll wish Kobe, Shaq, Payton and Malone were in your local Basketball Club. Ha!

UMAIR316 · July 16, 2003, 6:51pm

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Umair, I never said NBA should select players on the no. of fouls. You are twisted... This is what you said

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No sir, you are the one who is a twisted minded fellow.
First you say something then you deny the same thing.

This is what you said.

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About, David Robinson, yes I was wrong about pts, please have a look at no. of fouls as well
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So you mean Robinson should only be selected because of his ability to foul.

Pakistani_Tiger · July 16, 2003, 6:54pm

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No sir, you are the one who is a twisted minded fellow.
First you say something then you deny the same thing. So you mean Robinson should only be selected because of his ability to foul.
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Nope, I'm not twisted. ...You are twisting my words... Neither I said players should be selected on the ability of fouls nor I denied anything....Did you read what Matsui said? Robinson helped Duncan in double-teaming. And by doing so, David got in fouls trouble, not Timmy. What would Timmy do this year? SPURS don't have 7-footer around excpet Timmy.

MAVS need you......

I_m_Kool · July 16, 2003, 6:58pm

^
is there some kind of an invisible barrier that’s stopping you two from understanding each other???
you both are arguing on the same thing over and over again
geez…!

UMAIR316 · July 16, 2003, 7:01pm

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Nope, I'm not twisted. ...You are twisting my words... Neither I said players should be selected on the ability of fouls nor I denied anything....Did you read what Matsui said? Robinson helped Duncan in double-teaming. And by doing so, David got in fouls trouble, not Timmy. What would Timmy do this year? SPURS don't have 7-footer around excpet Timmy.

MAVS need you......
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ahemm....
Danny Ferry, Kevin Willis, Mengke Bateer

Pakistani_Tiger · July 16, 2003, 7:05pm

Yes, Kevin Willis, the Old Guy, is gonna drop the bomb-shell. Danny(6-10) & Bateer(6-11), the 7-footers…right…

system · July 16, 2003, 7:51pm

I cannot wait to see Lebron play against the likes of Kobe and Stack and pierce. Out of those three...Pierce is the most fierce.

I think it will take him a couple of years to get there but he should be fine. I also want to see the guy from Detroit, the serbian dude.

Who ended up taking baby shaq, the black guy from Greece?

UMAIR316 · July 17, 2003, 5:26am

You told me this.

Now I am not saying they will be filling David Robinson’s shoes but they are 7 footers, you asked me for their height not their talent.

Anyways, I don’t know what sources you are looking at but maybe the same sources which mentioned David Robinson scored 13 PPG last year.

Better luck next time my crazy friend.

Over and out!

Pakistani_Tiger · July 17, 2003, 6:44am

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You told this
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Yeah so. Since when Kevin Willis has been a most dominant force on the court? How much he played alongside with Tim Duncan? Greg Popovinch is not dumb to put Willis in the starting line-up for next season, who has never been in the picture for years Or even used him off the bench. Kevin didn't even participate much the recent season gone by; and got the Ring finally after playing over 1,000 games. Kevin's presence was equal to nothing in the playoffs. Don't even count him.

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Now I am not saying they will be filling David Robinson's shoes but they are 7 footers, you asked me for their height not their talent.
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Read carefully. *6-11(Mengke's height) and 6-10(Danny's height) doesn't make 7-ft. * Yes, no one can fulfilled David's spot, and that's a fact, which I've said more than twice already! If SPURS were at the crucial moment of the game, they won't use Kevin Willis but look for other team players Speedy, Danny or let's say Kerr for instance, who has been a game-winner. Beside height, there's always another reason how well players are athletic? Being athletic counts! IMO, Danny and Willis weren't that much athletic in the season 03. As for Mengke, I've never watched play, therefore, can't say about him. And I won't be surprised if Danny or Willis or both couldn't do the job next season. SPURS bench this season wouldn't be helpful as it was recently; and you might see Manu or Speedy in the starting-lineup, a spot left by Bowen. A total change.

All these scenrios I said above clearly shows how the things have change for SPURS as the quite but sharp Center dominant force Robinson left. David had 7 PPG last season. How much Willis, Danny or Mengke made? Less than 3 pts.

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Anyways, I don't know what sources you are looking at but maybe the same sources which mentioned David Robinson scored 13 PPG last year.
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First, I'm not your friend. Secondly, it is you, who's crazy and twisting my words even yourself twisted. I was wrong abt Robinson PPG, which I admit it but you came with same issue to divert the discussion. I won't be surprised if you do that again.

Use smilies and make yourself better

Pakistani_Tiger · July 17, 2003, 7:12am

Karl Malone will wear Magic Johnson’s shirt(32) to honor him! :k:

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Malone, Payton bring NBA title dreams to Lakers

LOS ANGELES (AFP) - Veteran All-Stars Gary Payton and Karl Malone signed with the Los Angeles Lakers here, linking their National Basketball Association title dreams with Shaquille O’Neal and Kobe Bryant.

Payton made his fame with the Seattle SuperSonics while Malone and the recently retired John Stockton became a legendary duo at Utah. Each man went to the NBA Finals , only to be beaten by Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls .

The Lakers won three consecutive NBA titles behind O’Neal and Bryant but were beaten in the quarter-finals by eventual champion San Antonio in this year’s playoffs. Payton and Malone make the Lakers title favorites once more.

Free agents Malone and Payton each took less money to play alongside each other, as well as overpowering center O’Neal and speedy playmaker Bryant, in hopes of winning an NBA title before the end of their careers.

Payton made 13 million dollars last season playing in Seattle and Milwaukee, yet accepted 4.9 million dollars from the salary cap-hampered Lakers, who paid O’Neal and Bryant a combined 36 million dollars last season.

Malone, who spent his entire career with the Utah Jazz playing with NBA all-time assists leader John Stockton, took an even bigger hit. He made more than 19 million dollars last season but will get only 1.5 million next season.

Payton, who will start the season at 35, and Malone, 40, fill holes at point guard and power forward that were weak spots against the Spurs in the playoffs.

A backcourt of Bryant and Payton could be the greatest in league history. Bryant is among the best scorers in the game and Payton, nicknamed “Glove” for his defensive skills, also is among the game’s best floor directors.

Payton has averaged 18.3 points and 7.4 assists in 1,027 regular-season games and ranks seventh in NBA history with 7,590 assists.

Malone chose the Lakers over the Dallas Mavericks , who tied for the best record in the league last season and lost to the Spurs in the semi-finals.

Jazz owner Larry Miller was not surprised to lose his aging star forward.

“I don’t think it’s in me to deny him that, even if I could,” Miller told the Los Angeles Times.** “If you’ve got to go with the odds, that’s not a bad place to go.”**

Malone is second on the NBA’s all-time scoring list, 2,013 points behind former Laker Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

He was 21st in the league last season at 20.6 points per game and 20th in rebounding at 7.8 per contest. A 12-time All-Star, Malone has career averages of 25.4 points and 10.2 rebounds in 1,434 games.

**With Los Angeles, Malone will wear No. 32, a number retired a decade ago when Hall of Famer Magic Johnson ended his career.

“He said he wanted to wear it in my honor. I said it was OK with me,”** Johnson said.

UMAIR316 · July 17, 2003, 3:10pm

You just don’t get it do you.
You asked me for 7 footers and I slap you on the face with bunch of them, I never said they were good or bad.

Read carefully. **6-11(Mengke’s height) and 6-10(Danny’s height) doesn’t make 7-ft. ** Yes, no one can fulfilled David’s spot, and that’s a fact, which I’ve said more than twice already! If SPURS were at the crucial moment of the game, they won’t use Kevin Willis but look for other team players Speedy, Danny or let’s say Kerr for instance, who has been a game-winner. Beside height, there’s always another reason how well players are athletic? Being athletic counts! IMO, Danny and Willis weren’t that much athletic in the season 03. As for Mengke, I’ve never watched play, therefore, can’t say about him. And I won’t be surprised if Danny or Willis or both couldn’t do the job next season. SPURS bench this season wouldn’t be helpful as it was recently; and you might see Manu or Speedy in the starting-lineup, a spot left by Bowen. A total change.

Oh I am sorry, what does 1 or 2 inch make a difference.
BTW - I know it pains for you to see Tony Parker as the number 1 point guard in the country ahead of Kidd, but he is still there, you forgot to mention his name.

And how many minutes did these guys played compared to Robinson?

You are breaking my heart.
Anyways, someone just PM me, did you know that tiger of yours is a Bengali tiger.
So your name isn’t really Pakistani Tiger but Bangali Tiger.

Asif_k · July 17, 2003, 3:31pm

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what does 1 or 2 inch make a difference.

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Exactly the point - You think Kevin Willis makes a difference to SPURS team ??

PT was talking about the players who really count and can make a difference.

UMAIR316 · July 17, 2003, 3:48pm

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Exactly the point - You think Kevin Willis makes a difference to SPURS team ??

PT was talking about the players who really count and can make a difference.
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I know bhai saheb, I never said Kevin Willis, Danny Ferry will fill in Robinsons shoes, I don't think anyone can.
BT asked me for other 7 footers beside TD in the team and I simply named them.

Pakistani_Tiger · July 17, 2003, 8:16pm

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You just don't get it do you. You asked me for 7 footers and I slap you on the face with bunch of them, I never said they were good or bad.
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Bunch of 7-footers? You must be living a high-life. Besides TD, there's only Willis 7-footer, equal to nothing. How's that slap?

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Oh I am sorry, what does 1 or 2 inch make a difference.
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Try again.

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BTW - I know it pains for you to see Tony Parker as the number 1 point guard in the country ahead of Kidd, but he is still there, you forgot to mention his name.
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It's you who's in the pain.....Where did even I talk about Parker and Kidd? Try again.

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And how many minutes did these guys played compared to Robinson?
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Less than David.