Nazar?

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I don't mean to be insensitive, but I need to ask this question....'

Whether you are being "attacked by Jinn" or under the influence of some jaadu that some mortal has done.....is it not true that all of it can only impact you if Allah, the almighty, wishes?

If you are sick, then He wishes you to be.
If you are suffering in some other way, then He wishes you to have that experience.

If you are to be "cured", then that can only happen if He wishes you to be cured.
So why must we ask others what to do?

Why can we not simply think about the situation and figure out for ourselves why Allah wishes this burden upon us?

Why can we not simply repent for any sins we may have committed and ask Allah to forgive us? Ask Him to save us from the trouble we face?

Why ask third parties?

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The logic is same if we get fever or any other disease and we do not go to doctor because of exactly same reasons… Asking for forgiveness from Allah:subhanahu: can be done regardless… That we all have to do…

Thing is that Allah :subhanahu: has made this world, a world that is refered to as Aalam-e-Asbaab.. Everything has cause and effect.

It is true and part of our faith that nothing happens except with the wish and will of Allah but Allah has made some rules and Quran tells us that Allah does not deviate from His rules (though He has power to do so and if He wants, no one can change that) …

It also reminds me of a hadeeth regarding “Depending on Allah alone” (Tawakkal A’lal-laah) … a famous hadeeth that I am sure all of us have heard some point in life where Prophet:saw2: said A momin should depend on Allah that He will protect his camel after the momin ties the knot of it.

Allah puts burdon on us to test us if we remain thankful and faithful and patient.

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You are right what you think, but Allah also has created SHAITAN, and ordered us to be cautious and stay away from him, while shaiatan has swear to Allah that he will distract Allah's people from the path of Islam.

We need to understand that, we are totally liberated and allowed to do lots of things excluding few things, hence we do sins (which Allah don’t want) and also we do good deeds, for that we go to Janna't or Jahannam, besides every human being would be claiming that because it was a wish of Allah that’s why I killed some one or blah!
Just like:
Qismat main likha thi pi to pi main nay
Qismat kay likhay ko nibhaya, kia khata ki main nay
Main na peeta to tera likha galat hojata
Teray likhay ko nibhaya, kia khata ki main...

Well above shair looks pretty balanced, but in reality it is wrong, Allah has shown us two path, one right and one wrong and in Quran, Sunna't and Hadees, it is well defined which one to prefer and not, now this will be us who chose the wrong or right path, we can not hold responsible to any one for our actions, we know the rule and we broke it for ourselves, we knew Allah and Rasool :SAW: doesn't like it, but we did and for that we have to pay!

Now coming to Jadu and Jinn attacks, well since 2 years back I didn't believe in these kinda stuff, but later I found my self under a Jadu attack, it was awfully serious and hazardous ... however I do pray salat, I do recite Quran, I keep myself away from all kinds of Gunnah... my family, parents always pray for me, but still I was under attack!!!

Later how I realized? well... I was losing objects after holding them in, and it was not a usual things, ... after many years of low success rate, I asked one Buzurg (who met me accidentally) about myself... at first stage he didn't tell me about it, but he advised me few things! so I did... but again no change, so I contacted him again, then he said ok he will try to cure, ... one day he came to my home, and sat on the floor and asked me to sit beside him, he took 15-25 mints, did many things (reciting) ... finally he hit so hard the floor (at that moment my whole body was shaken) ... and then he said done, then he made so many dua for me and give naseehatain, ... and after shaking hands and salam... he disappeared!

btw, this attack was re-confirmed by one another buzurg, and after cure he also confirmed that it has been cured! Alhamdulliah!

Cure: since, to attack someone is very hard and need very experienced and powerful people (negatively powerful) ... and this method is not available to learn! it is dangerous, and life threatening, its cure means a reverse action... the person who is curing should be more powerful than the attacker, otherwise attacker will know that some one is trying cure and he/she will do a counter attack to stop the curing, but if the person who is curing is more powerful then he/she handle the attacker!

This seems something unreal, but this is true, and it is done in every part of the world no matter if they are x-tians, hindu, Muslims, sikh, jews… every one is doing these black and dirty stuff! But cure requires some power and experience, which we don’t have!

These kinda amaliat are very dirty stuff, these people have bad-jins in their control and they use them to attack any one, even to kill someone, these are very dangerous things and this is why it is SHIRK and anyone who is involved in these stuff are out of circle of Islam!

Allah ham sab ko hidayat day, aur hamain aisay logon say bachay aur in logon ko hidayat day, aamin summa aamin!

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OMG ,ATA this is scary.
May Allah protect us from all evils ..Ameen

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nowhere it says that. All it says is not to get involved in these things.
which does not mean that they exist.
I understand its not a explicit proof of its non-existence,
BUT
thats where the common sense kicks in.

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well then go read the explanation of surah an nas and falak in quran b4 ur next post

and where allah saysnot to get involved in these thing

reference plz!

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I did read translation, I know its not there. I care less about the explanation, which is written by human beings.

for a change, use common sense. 'Nazar' is physically impossible. Before you start believing in such thing, burn your physics book from 9th-10th grade, if you have'nt already.

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well stop believing in hadeeth too they were written by human too!

and it cud be physical its just we dont know there reason

stop believing in god cuz we cant physically prove him too!

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Going by your logic, one would believe almost anything and everything, including ghosts, goblins, men in black etc

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well we're talking religion here

so u believe in jinns while u cant prove them too
or u dont????

so take wat god tells u and he doesnt tell u not to believe in unseen but only those which he has assured u that exist!

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great question. I am not sure what Jinns are. Its not very clear to me, so i cant say without actually knowing what they are, if I believe such thing exists or not. At this point I can say, I dont care about them.

Samething I cannot say about Nazer or black magic. I know what this is and I am sure it does nt exist.

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well when u dont believe in words of god then how can u say that its right or wrong

when u dont even know??

try to do sum reading first then solve other pll's problems

Did you ever think you were married to wrong person
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what people wrote, is not God's word.
interpretations are not God's words.
these are just myths, from people of an era, where myths prevailed. If the same people see you operating TV using a remote control, they would call it black magic.

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well i will recommend reading surrah jin to u

hope u have read it b4!

but in case u forgot wat was it all bout then read it again

i think god is speaking in that surrah too right?

no man made that surrah!

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Before I start reading something, I do not put my common sense in a lockbox.

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well i cant say anything

its upto u

u believe in whole quran or belive in sum part of it and leave the rest

totally ur choice!

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Ata,

I am very glad to know that you are okay and that you have survived this attack sucessfully and with little damage.

Unfortunately, the actions that you took to rid yourself of the problem are, to me, tantamount to shirk. Now this is only my opinion so don`t be offended.

The way that I look at the situation is that if someone has actually done something to impact my life, I should ask Allah to relieve me because it is with Allah´s permission that I am suffering.

If I approach another person to assist me, recite stuff, do whatever, then I am, in essence suggesting that this person has power greater than that of the Almighty. (Astaghfirullah!) Or that this person can undo something that the Almighty is allowing to happen to me.

I don´t agree and will not take this step.

When Allah has advised us clearly to stay away from this stuff, that means not to do unto others and not to seek remedy either. Both are guilty parties in my eyes.

But this is only my opinion.

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hmmm .. next time, I will only pray to Allah :subhanahu: if I get ill, instead of going to doctor as well.

I have been doing both uptil now…

I thought staying away was from magic and not from the Zik’r…

what if the other party might be doing is reading from Quran and not doing magic?

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Thank you Muzna baji, ...

and regarding your comment, no I am not offended, but I would like to do few corrections, for curing we can go to person who knows how to cure and its not a shirk or anything, as AQ said we go to doctor for help, and we work for food... although Allah can give us everything without working but still we do, is that also shirk? No ...

We are sent here on earth for some purpose, it’s a testing place, where every living thing is under test process! Our actions will decide our ultimate destination later ...

Jadu is shirk, but its cure is not a shirk ... period! When I said power, it means a piece of power not ultimate power! ...

How they cure? Well they recite dua, and they bring those bad jins back and orders them to leave the person! This is what they do in simple words! They do this as a service, but if they are misusing it then they are doing shirk, Yes I agree on that part to you! and this is why I said to find Religious Buzurg, not Jali aamils who do it for money and at the same time they do Jadu tona as well... yes often people are misusing it, and they are Mushriks!

So, there is a considerable difference between these types of people!
The person who cured my jadu is one very religious person! he don't take money and he don't do it professionally, only for people who he knows!

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why is it not shirk when you go to a person and ask him to use the same means/methods that were used by someone that meant you harm? maybe I don’t know enough…but knowledge is knowledge…it’s how you use it that makes it good or bad.

my understanding is that the Quran has acknolwedged the existence of this “knowledge” or “ilm” if you will, and has forbidden us from it hence my position that I will not seek remedy from the same.

the reason why I have elevated it to the level of shirk is the implication that mere prayer and supplication to Allah is not enough to remove the “jadoo” and that you must seek the remedy from a “buzurg” or “maulana”…this reasoning, to me, is preposterous.

surely in the grand scheme of things and the heirarchy or Islam, the Almighty supersedes all prophets, alims, buzurgs and maulanas.

surely Allah is capable of doing all that those beneath him in the org chart can do…

the argument about going to a doctor is valid but only at the lowest level of intellect…no offense meant to AQ.

the knowledge that is being used in the medical field is meant generally for goodness…knowledge of jadoo is not meant for goodness…

agreed.
so why even chance a failure?
why not avoid any and all avenue of potential risk?

I would never want to stand before Him and say, “Oh Allah, I succumbed to the belief that a person could give me relief from a pain that came from jadoo. I strayed from the path that led to You. I failed the test that you put me through! Forgive me now and let me enter paradise!”

you are welcome to your opinion…

are you suggesting that Allah cannot or will not do this?

one could argue that using jadoo for a remedy is, in fact, using it for goodness…but why even go there when you can appeal directly to a greater power?

why go to a dealer when the wholesaler is open for direct business? :wink:

let me reiterate… I mean no offense…only Allah can know the intentions and characters of people…I am no one to judge…

As I said before, I am glad that you are better.

what are the qualities of an 'Ideal Partner"(if there is sumtn like that)?