ISI and Army leadership is trying to change the bad old ways. Nawaz has still not learnt the leasson. He still thinks that the war against Taliban is America's war only.
oh meray bhai,when this war was started,it had nothing to do with us..and infact this so called war on terror has been imposed on us..
isi is still supporting afghan talibans..we have no other option..northern alliance will destroy our country as iran,india ,russia and israel will kick our ass..
the more taliban become strong in afghanistan,the more beneficial it is for pakistan..our narrow minded westernize people dont have enough brains to understand tht
u know my dear,our army have 100% proofs of dostum,afghani soldiers and indians fighting in our area..so we will support northern alliance in kabul? hell no hell no
^ That's the language which PMLN uses, and this is why Nawaz's PML is a security risk for Pakistan.
These people are blinded by the khariji Taliban so much that they will sacrifice Pakistan and lives of our people for them.
NS did have soft corner for taliban when it was our OFFICIAL ‘defense policy’ to have them as strategic assets in Afghanistan. If PPP governments supported Taliban in Afghanistan in 1990s, what does that make them? If Musharraf allowed them to come and set up in Waziristan and Swat valley, did he have a soft corner for them? It was only after 9/11 that we changed our qibla.
NS did stupid things while he was prime minister. Everyone knows THAT, but just because he had ‘soft corner’ for taliban at the time they were considered our ‘strategic assets’ for depth in Afghanistan, doesn’t make him a security threat.
Re: Nawaz's support of Taliban is security risk to Pak
ISI is not an individual and it's also doubtful if everyone in the ISI has had a change of heart. Certainly, they are still hosting the Haqqani network in Balochistan.
Re: Nawaz's support of Taliban is security risk to Pak
No, he steered the country's policy away from supporting the taliban and jihadism in general. The process had already begun pre-9/11 with his actions against the sectarian groups.
Thats what i am saying, PPPP have official alliance with groups/parties who openly condemn killing of these talibans and spare no moment to urge govt of Pakistan to cease its military operation against taliban in Swat and elsewhere.. on the other hand, NS and his party stood firm behind the govt of PPPP for its decision to take military action… NOW Who have soft corner for these Talib thugs… like i said the PPP and MQMers need to watch their own backyard… Molana diesel is there.. with full support to these thugs… I wonder y can’t your sharp eyes can see these elements.. oh may be this is need of time, to forget who is supporting these thugs now, but do blame another guy, just to shift the blame.. this is what happens in dirty politics..
NS to date, is standing right with the military and his party govt is supporting the IDPs as much as possible.. shame on the allegation makers…i think you can do better…
I guess he hasn’t completed his own u-turn yet. He did a ‘peace deal’ with taliban in 2006. What about that?
The deal has been severely criticized in the western press with one editorial describing it as "the terms of surrender by Pakistan to the Taliban and al Qaeda".[8] Another column termed it as an "unconditional surrender of Waziristan" by Pakistan, adding that the deal is "a boon to the terrorists and a humiliation for the Pakistani government."[9] Some other newspapers have commented that the deal is a "short-term defeat" that risked the wrath of its US allies to secure "long-term strategic gains"; and quoted a retired Pakistan general as saying it was a "tactical retreat".[10] Additionally, it was argued that "since initiated, all of the deals have failed, precipitating a resurgence of Taliban hostilities.
It is also suggested that he helped Taliban around 2006-07 to get (threatened) US support for the elections A Taliban Comeback?
Musharraf’s real aim is to get unqualified US endorsement for his re-election as president for another five-year term, while retaining his post as army chief. Thus, recent statements by senior US officials, including National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, demanding free and fair elections in 2007 and civilian control over the Pakistan, disturb Pakistani generals
My aim is not to discuss Musharraf here, but just quoted him as an example. At one point in time or other, almost everyone in Pakistan has been sympathetic to Taliban in Afghanistan seeing them as a buffer to Indian influence there.
Now Nawaz Taliba-supporter won’t clearly come out against Operation Rah e Nijat against his fellow Talibs. Nawaz and his PML are a threat to Pakistan’s security.
People should see his real face instead of supporting him for his nationality alone.
By Rauf Klasra
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani reportedly felt fairly miffed when informed at the eleventh hour that the until recently extremely healthy Mian Nawaz Sharif would be missing out on the COAS security briefing ‘due to bad health’
The rather implausible ‘bad health condition’ excuse was said to have found no takers because only a day before this critical security briefing by top military bosses to the top political leadership of the country, a smiling and cheerful Nawaz Sharif had come all the way from Lahore to address a press conference at the Punjab House Islamabad to convey his “serious reservations” over the Kerry-Lugar Bill. However, the PML-N Quaid went back to Lahore the same evening even though he had been invited to attend the extremely important briefing.
One source said that PM Gilani who has always taken pride in bringing together both politicians and khakis on critical national issues was extremely disappointed by the inexplicable absence of Nawaz Sharif.
Knowledgeable sources claimed that Nawaz Sharif probably did not want to be viewed as having personally and directly endorsed full military action against the Taliban in a particular operation such as the Waziristan operation and particularly so at a time when the Taliban had already started vengeful strikes in different parts of the country.
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
This refers to news reports of PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif’s sudden illness. The suggestion in the report that Mr Sharif has fallen ill to avoid the fury of the Taliban seems plausible given Mr Sharif’s conduct at a press conference at the residence of Sohail Zia Butt the other day. The PML-N chief was asked for his views on the military operation in South Waziristan by a reporter who wanted to know the PML-N’s stance on the issue. And instead of saying anything to answer the question directly, Mr Sharif ignored the question and spoke at length on the NRO!
The PML-N chief’s silence over the Waziristan operation lends considerable credibility to your report which said that an otherwise healthy Mr Sharif wanted to avoid the wrath of the Taliban and that he did so by pretending to be ill. One wonders if Mr Sharif’s characterisation as a ‘closet Taliban’ by Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf has any substance.
The PML-N has been rather indistinct and dispassionate about directly confronting or condemning the Taliban who have proudly taken the ownership of a number of suicide attacks in the mosques and markets of the province.
Some analysts believe that the PML-N being (an albeit moderate) right-wing party many of whose supporters come from the religiously conservative petty-bourgeois sections of the Punjab, is still not quite sure exactly where the sympathies of this constituency lie regarding the Taliban.
Following point is a digress from the thread topic, but still interesting enough to quote:
It is interesting to note, that though parties such as the Jamat-i-Islami and Imran Khan’s Tehrik-e-Insaaf have largely been ineffectual players in the bigger game of electoral politics, they have however managed to take their stance of the war and the Taliban on the mainstream platform through the electronic media.
Thus, the mainstream electronic media too has come under fire from the allied ruling parties for constantly giving vent to the ‘pro-Taliban’ and populist sentiments of unelected politicians and certain conservative journalists and columnists who - even after dozens of suicide attacks owned up by the Taliban recently - have continued to point the finger towards the US and India.
Even the large amount of proof now available to point towards the direct involvement of the local Taliban in the terrorist attacks in Pakistan it seems has not been able to make these politicians, and electronic and print journalists, change their populist and largely demagogic stand on the issue.
Re: Nawaz's support of Taliban is security risk to Pak
Wow talk about provincial stupidity. You would believe a bloody talking puppet as long as it said NS was bad. Well done on objectivity and using authentic sources.
Re: Nawaz's support of Taliban is security risk to Pak
I knew this would be coming because of the writer. But it is not necessary that we reject the truth if it comes from a person we dislike. The point was that Nawaz's credentials are vague when it comes to rejecting Taliban terrorists without any if's and but's.
Nawaz is an ideological son of Zia, the one person who made this culture of terror flourish in country.
I have no problem with PMLN itself. I know that not everyone in PMLN is like Nawaz. It has absolutely nothing about "provincial stupidity". You will find me against anyone in anyway siding with Talibanic mentality.
We have to stand united against those barbarians, regardless of our ethnic origins.
Re: Nawaz's support of Taliban is security risk to Pak
I would take Nawaz Sharif over Zardari as a lesser evil. Nawaz had a much broader vision for Pakistan and atleast he had a vision. He was not free from corruption as he hailed from the same support group that harbors and is itself involved in corruption.
However, his main issue now will be facing and dealing with the new US and its allies in the war on terror campaign. He needs to win Kayani over so that they can manage the US and foreign force issue with transparency.
However, I doubt that the armed forces trust him any more since the last coup d'état.
On a side note, I would love to have Imran as the premier or even president, which I don't see happening for another 4-5 years. That's when the current Pakistan youth should rise up and vote out the looteras and enforce a revolutionary regime run by a more ethical group.
I would take Nawaz Sharif over Zardari as a lesser evil. Nawaz had a much broader vision for Pakistan and atleast he had a vision. He was not free from corruption as he hailed from the same support group that harbors and is itself involved in corruption.
However, his main issue now will be facing and dealing with the new US and its allies in the war on terror campaign. He needs to win Kayani over so that they can manage the US and foreign force issue with transparency.
However, I doubt that the armed forces trust him any more since the last coup d'état.
On a side note, I would love to have Imran as the premier or even president, which I don't see happening for another 4-5 years. That's when the current Pakistan youth should rise up and vote out the looteras and enforce a revolutionary regime run by a more ethical group.
True
+1 :D
I have nothing against PPP except the present leaders who are all extremely corrupt and just seem busy in looting the country however they can. There is no real vision or clear plan to deal with the various national issues.
aur yeh joh baat baat par raise slogans like
Pakistan 'khapey', Pakistan naa 'khapey'
Sindh Card: 'Sindh Khapey Sindh naa Khapey': Zulfikar Mirza - who gives this idiot any importance?
jiye 'Bhutto' (naa moqa aur mahal dekhtey hein, bus kahin bhi shurou ho jaatey hein...) as if ZAB and BB were some kind of saints when they were infact crooks....on 9th Muharram for instance some of the television coverage of BB was so pathetic that even Imam Hussain's (RA) remembrance was put in the shade. Yes BB's death was tragic but is she really that important? She was certainly no Fatima Jinnah... If some of these people could have it their way they would not hesitate to replace photos of Quaid-e-Azam with Bhuttos in all important public/official building incl. presidency. That day will never come inshallah.
Re: Nawaz’s support of Taliban is security risk to Pak
See what the dirty politics by N$
What he is saying
This is first big attack in Sindh
Punjab has faced dozens including recent moon market blast
No body said any word to PMLN Sh..baz govt GEO Pakistan****Govt failed in providing security to mourners, traders: Nawaz Updated at: 1759 PST, Wednesday, December 30, 2009
LAHORE: Pakistan Muslim League-N Chief Nawaz Sharif Wednesday urged the government to adopt immediate measures for the restoration of the businesses of the affected traders in Karachi.
The PML-N Chief in his statement addressed to the Prime Minister, said providing security to the businessmen in particular is the foremost responsibility of the government besides maintaining peace in general.
“The businessmen hold a status of a country’s backbone and Karachi has a significant position for the entire country in this regard, he said. Therefore, restoration of ruined markets and businesses should be the foremost priority of the government, he added. Even Altaf Hussain said today that Nawaz , Imran and J.I are supporting Taliban.
All of them from Zia group of Munafiqeen including Altaf
Where is Quaid-e-Azam’s photo here? This is not Zardari’s private family room! The Presidency is the property of the state. And what is Bilawal mian’s photo doing up there on the wall? This is what’s so wrong with PPP and the Bhuttos.
That’s bull**** and crap. Nawaz is an opportunist money making Industrialist, he and (Afghan) Taliban both go in the opposite directions. What was his move in the late 90s was just his hunger for more power as some Amir ul Mu’mineen like Mulla Umar or perhaps he was trying to be Zia-ul-Haque II. He’s not as honest to Pakistan as Taliban are to their ideological views, that’s why he was thrown away by Musharraf and he was doing business in Saudi Arabia without any resistance to Parvez Musharraf. Compared to him, Taliban of Afghanistan have always been struggling and defeating Christian invaders - very honest to their version of Islam.
