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No supporter of NS here?
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Musharaf should be jailed for letting go a convict by a deal.. its a shame on the dictator..
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This agreement has no legal standing. Two thieves cannot agree that one will loot for 3 years and the other for next 10 years. I think SC will allow Sharifs to return.
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yup jail musharraf for a couple of years and execute nawaz,
Inshallah, the Supreme Court will allow Nawaz Sharif back into Pakistan, so plans for his excecution can proceed.
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Agreement or no agreement. The question is, is NS/SS are citizens of Pakistan? If yes, than nothing can keep them out of the country. They've every right to be in their country & any attempt to prevent them from coming back is illegal and unconstitutional. If they're coming back to face courts/law, they should be allowed to come back and fight their case in courts.
BTW, my prediction is that SC will say the same. That will throw ball back to Sharifs court, & if they're willing to come back and land in jail again, or take chance and come back anyway.
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Agreement or no agreement. The question is, is NS/SS are citizens of Pakistan? If yes, than nothing can keep them out of the country. They've every right to be in their country & any attempt to prevent them from coming back is illegal and unconstitutional. ..... .
Shamraz Khan: Don’t you know that Pakistan is a Muslim country and according to Pakistani constitution, all punishments that are allowed in Quran become automatic law of Pakistan (part of constitution)? In Quran, one punishment is to send criminals (terrorists) deported (mulk-badar).
On the other hand, according to Islamic punishment, a criminal can be given similar punishment that criminal has done.
[Acccording to Islam, head of state can come into power by any means. Umayyad, Abbasids, and Ottomans, Present Saudi Kings and all that are in power most of the place in Muslim world as well as most ever came to power in past Muslim world (including Salah-uddin Ayubi or anyone you name) came to power and ruled using military power]
Nawaz was convicted on terrorism charges and was serving prison sentence for 21 years getting convivted on that terrorism charges. If a person get convicted of that charge, he can be deported (Islamic law).
Terrorism charges on Nawaz and his brother are of hijacking and not letting Pakistani citizens (most travelling on that unfortunate plane coming from Sri Lanka to Pakistan) land in Pakistan. He wanted the plane to leave Pakistan … thus not letting innocent Pakistani nationals (not criminals) to come to Pakistan. He got convicted of the charges. Hence he and his brother could be given same punishment. That is to be thrown outside the country and should be stopped from returning to the country.
Other reason is that, due to their actions of not letting Pakistani plane land in Pakistan (something no prime minister or any one in power anywhere in the world could do); and plane not having enough fuel to go anywhere else, they thus tried to kill all the people (all innocent men, women and children) on that plane, hence became guilty of terrorism (creating terror for people on the plane and even for people not on plane, as for instance any person should be terrified that lunatic retard like Nawaz if in power could even try to stop plane that they might be travelling, from landing in Pakistan). He is convicted of this crime of terror too. One punishment for terrorists in Islam is to deport thrm (mulk-badar).
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Sa1eem, our legal system is based on British common laws, and not Islamic laws. NS was convicted, yes, but he was also pardon by elected president of Pakistan, Rafieeq Tarrar. He was given blanket pardon by president & allowed to go abroad. That can not be undone by Mushrraf, since Mushrraf was not the president at that time, but a chief executive of the country. Therefore, govt cannot try him on same case again.
Paper is an undertaking, not agreement: SC remarks in Sharifs’ case
Updated at 1240 PST
ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court larger bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, while hearing the two identical petitions of Mian Nawaz Sharif and his brother, Shahbaz Sharif, Thursday remarked that the document submitted by the federation in the court is not an agreement, it can be called an undertaking.
The learned bench during the hearing of petitions of Sharifs remarked that only one party has signed the document, so it is an undertaking.
Fakhruddin G. Ibrahim, the counsel of Sharifs, while giving his arguments before the court said that coming back to home is a fundamental right of every citizen under the constitution. The constitution guarantees freedom to every citizen, if Sharif brothers disallowed to return back, the elections in their absence may be called free but not fair, Ibrahim said in his arguments.
The counsel of Sharif brothers, concluding his preliminary arguments said the document submitted by the federation in the court has no legal position and the learned bench should ignore it.
Ahmed Raza Kasuri, the counsel for the Federation, opening his arguments objected over maintainability of the petitions of Sharif brothers.
He sought adjournment for three weeks to get the original documents regarding the undertaking made by the Sharif brothers.
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rumor has it that ns bought out majority of sc judges for the presidential reference case at 20 cr Rs each. if it turns out to be true, for ppl say he did pull off this same trick to get his dismissal overturned back in 95, then anything is possible.
having said that, i still believe sc will rule against a return.
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Shamraz Khan: Don’t you know that Pakistan is a Muslim country and according to Pakistani constitution, all punishments that are allowed in Quran become automatic law of Pakistan (part of constitution)? In Quran, one punishment is to send criminals (terrorists) deported (mulk-badar).
- Quote the relevant constitutional provision
- Article 15. Freedom of movement, etc. Every citizen shall have the right to remain in, and, subject to any reasonable restriction imposed by law in the public interest, enter and move freely throughout Pakistan and to reside and settle in any part thereof.
Nawaz was convicted on terrorism charges and was serving prison sentence for 21 years getting convivted on that terrorism charges. If a person get convicted of that charge, he can be deported (Islamic law).
Islamic Law is not equal to the Constitution of Pakistan.
Terrorism charges on Nawaz and his brother are of hijacking and not letting Pakistani citizens (most travelling on that unfortunate plane coming from Sri Lanka to Pakistan) land in Pakistan. He wanted the plane to leave Pakistan … thus not letting innocent Pakistani nationals (not criminals) to come to Pakistan. He got convicted of the charges. Hence he and his brother could be given same punishment. That is to be thrown outside the country and should be stopped from returning to the country.
Isn't it funny how Nawaz gets condemned for trying to commit terrorism and whatnot while the perpetrators of 12 May get scot free after a person no less than the Emperor himself declares there will be no inquiry into the incident?
His hard luck though that SHC took suo moto.
Other reason is that, due to their actions of not letting Pakistani plane land in Pakistan (something no prime minister or any one in power anywhere in the world could do); and plane not having enough fuel to go anywhere else, they thus tried to kill all the people (all innocent men, women and children) on that plane, hence became guilty of terrorism (creating terror for people on the plane and even for people not on plane, as for instance any person should be terrified that lunatic retard like Nawaz if in power could even try to stop plane that they might be travelling, from landing in Pakistan). He is convicted of this crime of terror too. One punishment for terrorists in Islam is to deport thrm (mulk-badar).
Never mind the botched Lal Masjid operation. If u know anyone in the ISI, ask them about the actual number of causalities. I am not quoting the figures I know, but what I am told is pretty horrific.
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Sa1eem, our legal system is based on British common laws, and not Islamic laws. NS was convicted, yes, but he was also pardon by elected president of Pakistan, Rafieeq Tarrar. He was given blanket pardon by president & allowed to go abroad. That can not be undone by Mushrraf, since Mushrraf was not the president at that time, but a chief executive of the country. Therefore, govt cannot try him on same case again.
Brother, Pakistan legal system is ... ‘paisa phaik tamashaa dekh’ … yea phir ‘zoar lagaa our nateeja paa’. Unfortunately Musharraf is not trying to use force that he commands and in such situation anything is possible.
As for Nawaz getting punished on same case, it would not be same case if different person sue Nawaz. All victims of a crime have independent right to sue a person because even though crime is one, people effected were numerous (all on the plane were victims).
It is like, if a person blows a building killing (or injuring) many people inside the building, crime is one and that is blowing the building, still each and every person that suffered can individually sue the criminal that blown the building.
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One of the documents presented by the govt (signed by Shahbaz) does say undertaking, so it does not matter what you call it. It is accepted that the Sharif brothers pledged to stay out of the country for 10 years, not take part in politics, in return for their cases to be remissed etc. That is what the brothers denied all along. Whatever the final SC judgement the Sharif brothers have been humiliated - they have lost all credibibilty now.
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One of the documents presented by the govt (signed by Shahbaz) does say undertaking, so it does not matter what you call it. It is accepted that the Sharif brothers pledged to stay out of the country for 10 years, not take part in politics, in return for their cases to be remissed etc. That is what the brothers denied all along. Whatever the final SC judgement the Sharif brothers have been humiliated - they have lost all credibibilty now.
Aap humuliation kee kiya baat kar rahay hain? Pakistan may koyee humiliate nahie hotaa ... This is a country where people openly say that from top to bottom, most people are bai-garaat :)
Jo sab say baraa bay-gharaat hota hay woh saab say zaidah vote laytaa hay aur Prime Minister baan jaata hay :)
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As widely expected Supreme Court has just ruled the Sharif brothers can come back to the country.
After a few days of joy in the PML N camp, eveything will die down (just like all the excitement over Hashmi's release some weeks ago), and then I don't believe Nawaz buzdil will come back, through his brother may.
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As expected, SC has allowed NS and SS to come back. Their undertaking had not legal/constitutional meaning but it was more of a moral undertaking and of course we all know how pervert NS is.
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rumor has it that ns bought out majority of sc judges for the presidential reference case at 20 cr Rs each.
Bhai, we must desist from quoting rumours as facts, because then we will be *almost *as bad as those supposedly ‘responsible’ people who spread rumours against the government without any facts, solely based on their hatred of Musharraf.
That said President Leghari did publicly state in 1997 that Nawaz Sharif had paid Supreme Court justices to remove the then CJ Sajjad Ali Shah. This just after he (Nawaz) sent his goons to physically attack the Supreme Court – a crime still unprecedented in Pakistani history.
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As expected, SC has allowed NS and SS to come back. Their undertaking had not legal/constitutional meaning but it was more of a moral undertaking and of course we all know how pervert NS is.
Yes, the Supreme Court accepted that the document was an undertaking that the Sharif brothers had signed, but of course that that could not go against the constitution. That's perfectly fair. Also, the judgement is far less historic than some people think, because after all the SC made a similar judgement in favour of Shabhaz Sharif in 2004. Hence, had Nawaz lodged this case before July 20th or even before 9th March the judgement would have been exactly the same.
So the PML Nawaz people should not get carried away that anything earth shattering has just happened - it has not. They were saying the same thing when Javed Hashmi was released a few weeks ago, yet as we saw after a few days of rallies and mithai banting that initial euphoria did not lead to anything. I think Shabhaz Shaif will try to come back (not Nawaz yet - he's too buzdil), and after a week or so of "large" rallies and such it will be back to normal wheeling dealing and such. After all we have seen may a large rallies in the last 5-6 months and Musharraf is still very much there.
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Musharaf should be jailed for letting go a convict by a deal.. its a shame on the dictator..
Yup, one of his biggest blunders, and also the first one.
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I hate to say this, but I told you so. 
“They have an inalienable right to return and remain in the country as citizens of Pakistan.”
P.S I’m not a big fan of NS, or BB for that matter, but every one deserves justice regardless of their standing in society.
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hear hear.
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As for Nawaz getting punished on same case, it would not be same case if different person sue Nawaz. All victims of a crime have independent right to sue a person because even though crime is one, people effected were numerous (all on the plane were victims).
If I was NS lawyer I would carefully study the presidential pardon, and if there and conditions in it. President has the power to issue blanked pardon which is what happened in NS case, and it cannot be challenge in any court of law. As for suing NS thats is a civil matter and not criminal one.