Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Isn’t it sad that Zia selected a thief for Lahore and service provider for Karachi?
For instance, when Zia learned that Nawaz from childhood was making roads of Lahore unsafe by stealing road gutter covers from Lahore roads for his dad ‘Abba Shareef’ who used to use that cover as raw material melting that cover in his iron foundry, Zia liked petty thief Nawaz and gave him Punjab to loot.
In same way when Zia learned that Altaf is providing service to people of New York driving taxi and as pharmacist can also make medicine to give relief to people, he decided that Karachi needs such person who could give service and relief to Karachi, so Zia gave Karachi to Altaf.
It is really sad but funny about Zia. Can’t understand why Zia loved Karachi so much and hated Punjab. :)
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Bhai believe me, and if you do not, ask people from Lahore who was living there in early 60s. What I know, they (shareef's when running Atafaq Foundry ... the flag ship of Shareef business) stole anything of metal they could get their hands on, from rail tracks to gutter covers. That is how they use to run their foundry ... getting their raw material cheap. Nawaz and Shahbaz learned the trade young, how to steal and prosper. :)
i am really surprised. but if it is true then it reflects very poorly upon the sharif family.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Something about Sharif Badmash family’s foundry:
http://xavia.vim.im/ittefaq-group
It was founded by Mian Muhammad Sharif, father of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his six brothers. It started as a small junkyard shop in 1939 in Amritsar, India. After migrating to Pakistan in 1947, the family started a junkyard shop in Lahore, which was later named Ittefaq Foundry, at it had started supplying junk steel to steel mills. The business remained small scale until the dictatorship of Zia ul Haq. The new industrial units were set up with electrifying speed in the 1980s while Nawaz Sharif was the finance minister and later Chief Minister of Punjab province. Ittefaq Sugar Mills was set up in 1982, Brothers steel in 1983, Brother’s Textile Mills in 1986, Brothers Sugar Mills Ltd in 1986, Ramzan Sugar Mills Ltd in 1991, Ittefaq Textile units in 2-3 in 1987, Khalid Siraj Textile Mills in 1988, Ramzan Buksh Textiles in 1987, Farooq Barkat (pvt) Ltd in 1985, Barkat Textiles in 1993, Ittefaq Foundries in ???, Ittefaq Foods (Pvt) Ltd, Ittefaq Daries (pvt) Ltd.
Amirul Munafiqeen Zia did help the Badmashs become prolific.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
I agree with you in this that badmashi is required in Pakistan to manage business empires, but this thing is wrong that ittefaq foundary was small until ZIa ul haq’s time. Ittefaq foundary was nationalized along with other industries during bhutto’s time. The acceleration of units was hit during nawaz’s cm:
Sharif Family
Pakistan’s political system is broken: its political parties are ineffective, functioning for decades as instruments of two families, the Bhuttos and the Sharifs, two clans, both corrupt. The Bhutto-Zardari axis may be considered “left leaning,” while the Sharif brothers may be considered “right leaning.” The Sharifs are much closer to Pakistan’s military, and to Pakistan’s Muslim fundamentalists. Punjabi, the Sharifs represent Pakistan’s major ethnic bloc, and the devout Sunni Sharif has an advantage over the Bhuttos, who have Shiite ties.
Ittefaq Group of Industries (Ittefaq means unity ) is an industrial group based in Lahore, the second largest city of Pakistan and the capital of the province of Punjab. It was founded by Muhammad Sharif, a prominent industrialist and father of one-time Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan. The Ittefaq Foundry, a relatively modest cast-iron parts business, was established in 1939 by Mian Mohammad Sharif, of a family of Kashmiri immigrants who had settled in Punjab in the late 19th century. On migration from Amritsar at the time of partition, he settled in Lahore where he started the iron business, initially on limited scale.
In 1968, Dr Mahbubul Haq spoke of 22 families that controlled 68 percent of Pakistan’s industrial assets, 86 percent of banking assets and many other sources of income generation. Almost all the big business groups of the 1970s had started in 1947 as family joint ventures.
Mian Sharif and his six brothers set up an iron-melting furnace in Landa Bazaar and in 1967-68 expanded the business with his brothers. Later, he set up the Ittefaq Mills in the Shahara area. He went on to set up the Ittefaq Group of Companies and more than half a dozen factories and sugar mills across the Punjab, rising to fame in Pakistan’s business circles.
Mian Sharif’s business faced a serious setback during the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s regime, as the government nationalised his industrial units and took over the Ittefaq Foundry. In 1972, when Zulfikar Ali Bhutto nationalized the Ittefaq Foundry, the heart of the Sharif family’s industrial empire, this set the Sharif family back considerably. The Sharifs disappeared from public eye and tried doing business in the West Asia. Mian Sharif founded the Sharif Group of Industries in 1974 after the nationalisation of the Ittefaq Foundry on the orders of prime minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
In 1981, the family returned with a bang, and shot up to power. When Gen Ziaul Haq deposed Zulfikar Bhutto and took over as the chief martial law administrator, Mian Sharif and his three sons returned to Pakistan and managed to get the Ittefaq Foundry back from the government. In 1978, General Ziaul Haq handed over Ittefaq Foundry to the Sharifs of Lahore without inviting any bids. In fact, two other nationalised units, Nowshera Engineering in the NWFP and Hilal Ghee in Multan, were handed over to their original owners. Mian Sharif also developed friendly relations with Gen Zia and became one of the general’s most trusted men. In 1983, General Ziaul Haq inducted Nawaz Sharif into the Punjab provincial cabinet as finance minister. At that time the Ittefaq foundry turnover was in the billions, and it was paying revenues to the government.
Benazir Bhutto, Co-Chairperson of the PPP, took oath on Dec. 2, 1988 as the Prime Minister while the PPP governments were formed in Sindh and the NWFP provinces. However, Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif formed the IJI government in Pakistan’s most populous province, Punjab. Similarly, the IJI was able to form a coalition government in Baluchistan. This was not the first time in the history of Pakistan that opposition parties have formed governments in provinces. Benazir’s government soon came into clash with the antagonistic Nawaz government in the Punjab and the differences could not be resolved as long as she remained in power. The government tried to force the Ittefaq Foundry – owned by Sharif Group – out of business by instructing Pakistan Railways to refuse to cart scrap, imported from the US, from Karachi to Lahore. Sharif group’s Ittefaq Foundry laid off 3,500 workers in summer 1989.
During the rule of Nawaz Sharif, the Gidani beach was the largest ship breaking industry in the world, providing more than $1 Billion in earnings to the people of the Mekran coast. To help the Ittefaq foundry keep its monopoly on steel, Nawaz Sharif imposed strict tariffs on the ship breaking industry, while expropriating the Pakistan Railway for free transportation of imported steel to Ittefaq Foundry. These acts of Nawaz Sharif destroyed the largest ship breaking industry in the world. The ships were sold at scrap value and provided valuable engines and repair material to an entire industry in Pakistan. The Gidani beach provided steel to the Pakistan Steel Mills as very low cost.
The House of Ittefaq, the industrial conglomerate of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s family, is not unity anymore and 119 offspring’s siblings and spouses of the seven founding brothers are currently battling in courts for the division of the assets of the Ittefaq group. As soon as Nawaz Sharif became Prime Minister in 1990, Mian Mohammad Sharif switched over to setting up projects independent of the other partners, thus laying the grounds for split. According to agreement reached in Lahore High Court by members of the family sometime in 1996, the House of Ittefaq split in two groups. The first comprised the families of Mian Mohammad Sharif, Mohammad Shafi, Barkat Ali, Yousaf Aziz and Idrees Bashir while the second group comprised the families of Meraj Din and Siraj Din. Members of the Ittefaq group are currently operating in three groups namely Sharif Group, Ittefaq Group and Haseeb Waqas Group. The three groups have only four companies listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE).
Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif left the country along with 18 other family members in December, 2000, after striking a deal with the military government. Mian Muhammad Sharif, father of Pakistan’s ex-Prime Minister Mian Nawaz Sharif, died in October 2000. Mian Sharif, a respected politician and noted industrialist of Pakistan, was in exile in Saudi Arabia along with his family after an agreement in 2000 with the Pakistan government.
The Sharif family is the most influential family in the Punjab province, especially in the urban areas. The Sharif family is moving into third-generation politics. By grooming their sons, the Sharifs are perpetuating a political tradition that allows a few families to maintain a hold over national politics. The PML (N) continued to be led by the Sharif family, despite their exile in Saudi Arabia and the Saudis’ restrictions on their political activities, that effectively cut them out of the 2002 elections.
Mian Mohammed Shahbaz Sharif, born in 1950, is the younger brother of ex-prime minister of Pakistan Mian Mohammed Nawaz Sharif. As a keen businessman he played a vital role in the success of Ittefaq Group of Companies, which was founded by his father and uncles. He came into politics to follow the footsteps of his brother and “Quaid” of Pakistan Muslim League. He remained Chief Minister of Pakistan’s biggest province, Punjab from 20 Feb 1997 to 12 Oct 1999. He was elected as the president of Pakistan Muslim League on 3rd august 2002 while he was on exile in Saudi Arabia. After winning the majority in Punjab province in 2008 elections, he is elected as the leader of the house. He expected to take part in the by election and take the position of the Chief Minister of Punjab.
In August 2008 the reopening by the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) of the corruption cases about Hudaibia Paper Mills, Ittefaq Foundry and Raiwind assets meant that the entire Sharif family was in the dock. There are three cases against the Sharif brothers and their families, which do not fall under the ambit of the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO), as all these were established after 1999. The cases were registered in 2000. Nine persons were nominated in the Hudaibia paper mills case. They are late Mian Muhammad Sharif, Nawaz Sharif, Shahbaz Sharif, widow of Mian Muhammad Sharif, Mian Abbas Sharif, Hussain Nawaz, Hamza Shahbaz, Shamim Akhtar, Sabiha Abbas wife of Mian Abbas Sharif and Mariam Safdar. In the case of Hudabiya Sugar Mills, the charge is of money laundering to the tune of over Rs600 million whereas in the case against Ittefaq Foundry, the directors are accused of bank loans default involving a total sum of Rs1.6 billion.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Agreed that Ittefaq foundry was nationalized by Bhutto. But did you read in the link you provided that Zia simply handed over the company back to Mian Sharif? Not many people who had their companies nationalized “rewarded” that way by Zia.
And Nawaz got inducted in politics only because of that “special relationship” between Zia and Mian Badmash. He did not enter in politics on his merits. And this is why his stupidity shows off even today.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-10-2004_pg7_33
He pushed Nawaz Sharif towards politics and had him included as finance minister in the Punjab cabinet in 1983-84. In 1985, he used his relations with Gen Zia to get his son made Punjab chief minister, after which the Sharif family remained in the corridors of power till 1999.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Well the nationalization was wrong to begin with, the empire set by some one (lets take out sharif's from this equation)...some one worked hard on something that taken back by the government...anyways they got back what was theirs, and i agree that that was due to the special relationship between them and the army....maybe as both of them detested bhutto, maybe these things brought them closer....but they had something by the time of bhutto but the real multiplication of this empire was carried out during his cmship and pm ship...i know very well that 'sharif' person cannot do business/politics in pakistan, as badmashi is needed in that, and mashaAllah all our politicians have those qualities...thats the reason why middle class people dont make any impact on the politics of the country...
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
In 1947 very few families were rich such as Adamjee, Valika, Daud and Sehgal from Punjab. There were few rich land ownwers in Sindh such as Jatois, Pirzadas, Burgharhi and Bhuttos and perhaps Daultana from Punjab. The number of rich people grew up to 22 families in Ayub's time and keep on increasing exponantially. Except these few rich families, all are robbers, stealers and cut throats. None has halal ki kamai, they have stolen the share of poor people of Pakistan and made them more poor. When I say new rich people I mean people who have become rich in very short period of time with assets of $1Billions and more.
Few really rich people soon after partition are nowhere near to new rich people.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Whats wrong with that? Tell me one thing that Nawaz Sharif has ever done in his life that proves he has a brain.
He was born into a billionaire family and never had to do anything in his life except eat.
Sorry. They were not billionaire even not millionaire before 1947 . This Lohar family got a chance to get control of Hindu property after migration. Same the father of their rivals Ch Shujaat ( CH Zahoor Ellahi) was a head constable in police in 1947 expelled from service and than looted the property and animals of migrating persons.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Does it all prove he is 'totally brainless'?
He got a ride in politics only because of special relationship between the munafiq dictator and his father. A person of his intelligence does not deserve to be in politics.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Someone once told me that in a wedding party, a general (I do not remember his name) saw a young Nawaz and decided that he (Nawaz) should get promoted to become Prime Minister of Pakistan. He called Nawaz and asked him if he (Nawaz) wanted to become future Prime Minister of Pakistan. Nawaz with an idiotic grin and disbelief on his face told the general that he never thought of that as he has no political background neither he think that it is possible (to his wildest dream). General laughed, took off his hat and put it on the head of Nawaz and told him that not to worry, as the hat he is wearing has lot of magical power. Later, the general introduced Nawaz to Zia-ul-Haq and ... and ... and ... the rest is story on the wall. *
Sa1eem,
Bro for a person writing very lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg and sometimes intelligent (i have geve credit where its due) posts/arguments..this one has to be the lamestest argument. u went from rational rebuttal to fairy tales.*
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
Sa1eem,
Bro for a person writing very lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg and sometimes intelligent (i have geve credit where its due) posts/arguments..this one has to be the lamestest argument. u went from rational rebuttal to fairy tales.
Bhai, first of all, what I wrote is not argument but story of event. Obviously you could not expect such stories to get officially recorded. Anyhow, what I wrote, I believe that it is true (more or less), as I heard from a very reliable person (at least one who would not lie to me), who learned of this from (military) sources present in that wedding.
Re: Nawaz Sharif is ‘totally brainless’ : Musharraf
the interesting thing is how clueless and retarded he still is... this is how he used to talk when he was in power. rude and arrogant. clearly not much has changed.
doesn't realize that generally politicians have avoided these kinds of third class statements against each other... but I guess once a braindead, FA-fail corrupt jarnail... always a braindead, FA-fail corrupt jarnail.
what new?