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Thanks for looking through Nawaz's desire of surrendering Pakistan's future at the hands of extremism. About Nawaz's fighting a lost cause, I think it is actually Nawaz's own cause. He has dictatorial tendencies since beginning. He called himself Amirul Momineen before. And Shahbaz publicly said that PMLN and Taliban have mutual cause.
yes, i struggle to understand why people voted him back in, when he has a history of corruption, not caring about his people and now he wants to give the taliban a voice by attempting to reason with them.
It is very sad to see that people dont learn from the past...
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I'm tempted to respond to this post word by word but I don't have time. But lets just say, its not you who will be reasoning with the Taliban! Thankfully its not the case of every Tom, Dick and Harry deciding policies based on filth they hear on Fox News, the Allies have based their decision to start a peace process after seeing the ground realities and having first hand inside information from the Taliban camp. There are indeed some fractions within Taliban who are willing to disarm and sign a ceasefire on certain conditions.
Pakistan must give peace a chance for sake of its own people.
Yes, Pakistan should give peace a chance. However Pakistani's need to stop living in denial , when someone challenges the way they think - they attack them with an assumption that they watch trash on Fox news.
The truth is clear to see.. look at the state Pakistan is in. The only way to move forward is to change the mindset that currently exists. It is not wrong of Pakistan to want to make allies. yet the average Pakistani thinks it is wrong. And look where that attitude has got them! It is important to become part of the world community and not stay isolated because of some weird views about the west not being their friends.
Peace talks with vile terrorists is not an attempt at peace. Its a sign of weakness, giving a voice to a sect of people who only wish to cause harm. If your enemy wished harm on you , would you commit to peace talks with them???? Nobody would in that situation.
Pakistani's need to wake up and start fighting for the peace in their country. But the fact that they voted Nawaz back in , who has a history of robbing the country and has done nothing for his people in the past... proves that the voters havent a clue how to fix the situation. Nor have they any understanding that Nawaz doesnt even rule his army...
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The truth is clear to see.. look at the state Pakistan is in. T*he only way to move forward is to change the mindset that currently exists. It is not wrong of Pakistan to want to make allies. yet the average Pakistani thinks it is wrong. And look where that attitude has got them!* It is important to become part of the world community and not stay isolated because of some weird views about the west not being their friends. .
Excuse me? You don't have to make things up to make a point. Please stop making highly offensive assumptions about country of 170 million people. An average Pakistani totally supports the idea of having Allies but not masters! They want trade with the Western world not aid with millions of strings attached. Pakistanis want greater independence not isolation. Pakistan has already proved that it is part of the international community by dragging its feet into this useless war which had nothing to do with them and now Pakistan has once again proved that it is still part of the international community by accepting the exit strategy also decided by the international community. So I see no point in pointing all the fingers at Pakistan for heck of it. I mean its okay for Brits to whinge and whine nonstop over the fact their country is blindly following a foreign policy dictated by America but its end of the world if Pakistanis hold the same opinion? Whatever happened to the idea freedom of expression and thought?
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Peace talks with vile terrorists is not an attempt at peace. Its a sign of weakness, giving a voice to a sect of people who only wish to cause harm. If your enemy wished harm on you , would you commit to peace talks with them???? Nobody would in that situation.
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Its the NATO forces and International community who had formed and agreed on this policy, I wonder why you can't be bothered to a utter a word against them?
What do you want? Pakistan to turn into another Syria? If it makes you feel any better, yes Pakistan army has clearly expressed that they cannot fight enemies disguised as civilians and who hides amongst civilians (Major Gen Athar Abbas was quoted in 2008), it would only mean a huge loss of civilian life and sheer material destruction of the country. The public supports and respects army's thinking.
Frankly speaking, you have an extremely simplistic, in fact rigid views concerning conflict and quite superficial opinions about international politics and war in general. Its almost like I'm reading a child like explanation of this disgustingly complex global conflict. Anyway, this is the real world we are talking about a situation where millions of innocent lives are involved. As with your "no one would make peace with someone who wish harm on you", isn't this exactly why there should be a ceasefire? Whats the purpose of signing a ceasefire? The purpose is to basically to stop the other side (or both sides) from causing harm to each other. Innit? You really need to research the the whole concept of ceasefire and place it international context. I'm sure you'd find out that it were not wars but ceasefires and eventual peace deals that ultimately ensured the survival of plenty of nations. A quick example from top of my head - at the turn of the century, Britain single-handily saved its mighty Empire from going bust by signing a ceasefire with the 'barbaric' and 'insolent Turks with intelligence of mule (words of Lord Curzon). There would not have been any modern day Turkey if Atturk, who at one point vowed to kill every Allies' soldier on Turkish soil - had not signed a peace deal with the Allies. Point is, stop seeing the whole idea of peace talks as an insult to your own ego and beliefs, geopolitics and war is a bloody and highly complex matter, you just cannot take either my way or high way approach.
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Pakistani's need to wake up and start fighting for the peace in their country. But the fact that they voted Nawaz back in , who has a history of robbing the country and has done nothing for his people in the past... proves that the voters havent a clue how to fix the situation. Nor have they any understanding that Nawaz doesnt even rule his army...
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Thank you very much, Pakistanis are already fighting a long and hard battle for peace. Instead of 'challenging' or deciding how and what Pakistani should or should not think, how about you actually respect the wishes of people of Pakistan? They want peace and they voted for the party (or parties if you count PTI in terms of its vote bank) who promised peace. Sorry but Pakistanis can't be bothered to launch a bloody revolution just to secure some brownie points with cynics, there's no need. Its a young democracy, and democracy especially in early stages is a slow and painful process. However, its does eventually churn out some positive and lasting changes. Who could know all the ills and blessings of democracy than Western countries who took centuries to mature their traditions so it could quick and sufficient results that we see today.
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I'm tempted to respond to this post word by word but I don't have time. But lets just say, its not you who will be reasoning with the Taliban! Thankfully its not the case of every Tom, Dick and Harry deciding policies based on filth they hear on Fox News, the Allies have based their decision to start a peace process after seeing the ground realities and having first hand inside information from the Taliban camp. There are indeed some fractions within Taliban who are willing to disarm and sign a ceasefire on certain conditions.
Pakistan must give peace a chance for sake of its own people.
lol... For someone who claims to have "educated" himself, you certainly seems to have a short memory span...
You dont need to be "educated" to know whats been going on for the past 10 years, you only needed to be alive and have a minimally functioning cerebral cortex.
No one is watching FOX News, and Fox news is hardly covering the Pakistani Taliban.. And yes, WE literally arent the ones reasoning with the Taliban, but the people who ARE trying to or have, are either convinced they are beyond reason, or are still deluded enough to believe they can be reasoned with (like Imran and Nawaz since they have never had to be in direct negotiations with them), are in for a surprise when they realize that negotiations are impossible with people whose sole purpose is to topple the very state their in negotiations with.
Pakistan has tried peace with these people, they practically gave Swat to the Taliban. Each time the process failed. The problem is that the Taliban do not abide with the agreements. The conditions the Taliban hold out are things that are unacceptable.
Beyond this, I dont see how any self respecting human being, particularly a Muslim, following a faith in which justice is so central, could ever negotiate peace with mass murderers... How would you feel if you were related to one of their victims?
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Yes we need peace at all cost. Lets sell the state to the Taliban, accept all conditions... Good idea.
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Yes we need peace at all cost. Lets sell the state to the Taliban, accept all conditions... Good idea.
We are facing the results of using Mulla force time to time .
We are using them for our needs and needs of CIA time to time and strenghting them more and more
Even Election 2013 is the worst example .
People of Pakistan rejected them ever
Election 2013 is the best example
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We are facing the results of using Mulla force time to time . We are using them for our needs and needs of CIA time to time and strenghting them more and more Even Election 2013 is the worst example . People of Pakistan rejected them ever Election 2013 is the best example
Anwar saab, this is what happens when you make deals with the devil.
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lol... For someone who claims to have "educated" himself, you certainly seems to have a short memory span...
You dont need to be "educated" to know whats been going on for the past 10 years, you only needed to be alive and have a minimally functioning cerebral cortex.
No one is watching FOX News, and Fox news is hardly covering the Pakistani Taliban.. And yes, WE literally arent the ones reasoning with the Taliban, b*ut the people who ARE trying to or have, are either convinced they are beyond reason, or are still deluded enough to believe they can be reasoned with (like Imran and Nawaz since they have never had to be in direct negotiations with them), are in for a surprise when they realize that negotiations are impossible with people whose sole purpose is to topple the very state their in negotiations with. * Pakistan has tried peace with these people, they practically gave Swat to the Taliban. Each time the process failed. The problem is that the Taliban do not abide with the agreements. The conditions the Taliban hold out are things that are unacceptable.
Beyond this, I dont see how any self respecting human being, particularly a Muslim, following a faith in which justice is so central, could ever negotiate peace with mass murderers... How would you feel if you were related to one of their victims?
There is a desperate, an extremely desperate need for you to educate and update yourself on the current situation. So far its who is coming across as a person who cannot be reasoned with because you have your own set of narrow minded, paranoid views. Both PMLN and PTI have made it absolutely clear that they have first hand information that certain fractions of Taliban are willing to disarm and accept their conditions. So in many ways, this time around its also the Taliban who are looking to sign a ceasefire. The new government hasn't even taken the oath yet, they haven't even publicized their full conditions for peace terms, Taliban haven't publicized their terms either so I don't see why you are talking as if you have a crystal ball in front of you. Wasn't there an extremely costly Swat operation to root out the Taliban?
Oh please don't try any attempt at emotional blackmailing by dragging Islam into it. Yeah lets talk about Islam, please educate me what Islam says about Syria like situation, should it be prevented at all costs or does Islam encourage that bloodbath? Does Islam encourage heavy loss of civilian lives, material devastation of people's property? Is Islam really the religion of war and violence and nothing else? What happened to the idea of Islam being a religion of peace? What does Islam say about signing ceasefire for greater good and peace? What does Islam say about hopelessness?
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Yes we need peace at all cost. Lets sell the state to the Taliban, accept all conditions... Good idea.
Extremism is deeply rooted in the psyche of all Pakistanis, isn't it?
...And they say there will be nude beaches in Pakistan, gay clubs in every corner of the streets in Pakistan if we continue being partners with America. I don't which group of extremists are the worst.
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After fighting a endless war for 11 years, I can understand the political parties now want to have a peace deal in order. But they are questions or issues one should have in mind before we talk about any deal:
- Talbin is on offensive, so why would they want go for a deal where they have to step back and accept governments terms? What will the government give them in favor?
- For that peace deal to be real, they have to give up their weapons & arms, why would they do that, when their only weapon/honour ( if they have any ) is their arms. I cant see that happen.
- The military and ISI has a big role to play in the deal. They are no secret that our army and ISI has failed to prevent or destroy their networks, but they are also some facts that points towards some groups/ppl in ISI who has soft corner for these ppl. Will they now cooperate with the government? ( we know ISI is not controlled by any one, a state inside a state ).
It will be interesting to see what the government can sort out...
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Marwari, I would buy your education mantra but why are there girls poisoned in Afghanistan and we had the infamous shooting of malala. Either you need to get out more or you need to stop misleading people.
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Rename him as
Taliban Sharif!
and Imran sharif?
who is the biggest supporter to carry negotiations with taliban for last 5 years?
This is what is distrubing....when we hate someone we lose perspective...why can we be balanced? if you dont like the policy of negotiating with taliban then criticize both Imran khan and Nawaz sharif
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and Imran sharif?
who is the biggest supporter to carry negotiations with taliban for last 5 years?
This is what is distrubing....when we hate someone we lose perspective...why can we be balanced? if you dont like the policy of negotiating with taliban then criticize both Imran khan and Nawaz sharif
The issue is that when Imran Khan was propagating negotiations with TTP he was called Taleban Khan and when Nawaz Sharif says the same he is propagated as a statesman. There's something seriously wrong.
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The issue is that when Imran Khan was propagating negotiations with TTP he was called Taleban Khan and when Nawaz Sharif says the same he is propagated as a statesman. There's something seriously wrong.
Thats probably because Imran had been consistently speaking on the issue of terrorism throughout the run up to his campaign, so he became associated with certian perceptions of his policy. Sharif stayed silent on the issue for the most part and so never got tagged with any sort of label.
Obviously Imran had to constitute a base through his rhetoric while NS didn't.
And NS has more deep rooted support, while imran is a newbie, so more prone to attack..
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The issue is that when Imran Khan was propagating negotiations with TTP he was called Taleban Khan and when Nawaz Sharif says the same he is propagated as a statesman. There's something seriously wrong.
that is exactly the point....negotiating wit taliban shd be a policy issue for everyone not a personality issue....in my opinion, Imran's viewpoint and strategy as to how to deal with taliban is bul**** and so is nawaz's stand of appeasing them by doing negotiations....full war is not an option either...i believe in an improved intelligence and continuing killing their top leadership as a mission..as soon as they announce a new leader, kill him in 3 months and use every resource to do so..
anyway all i am sayin that we need to be balanced in our criticism...
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that is exactly the point....negotiating wit taliban shd be a policy issue for everyone not a personality issue....in my opinion, Imran's viewpoint and strategy as to how to deal with taliban is bul**** and so is nawaz's stand of appeasing them by doing negotiations....full war is not an option either...i believe in an improved intelligence and continuing killing their top leadership as a mission..as soon as they announce a new leader, kill him in 3 months and use every resource to do so..
anyway all i am sayin that we need to be balanced in our criticism...
Cant kill the leadership without going into their base of operations; and cant do that without starting an all out war.